Liv Golf Central Thread: Events and News

[cnosil]

11 minutes ago, BIG STU said:

Thank you I had forgot about Poults and Peter Ulheim too

Just saw another Titleist staffer Viraj Madappa.  Hard to know who sponsors all the DP tour, Asian tour, other tour players.   

[BIG STU]

1 minute ago, cnosil said:

Just saw another Titleist staffer Viraj Madappa.  Hard to know who sponsors all the DP tour, Asian tour, other tour players.   

I have never heard of him and I thought I kept up with all Golf pretty well

[russtopherb]

13 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

 

Peter Uihlein another full staffer, also several guys like westwood and swafford are contracted for the ball. Might be one or two others on there

Probably not the best Titleist example, as he wouldn't be a sponsored pro (or even on the tour at all, for that matter) if not for his father.

[cnosil]

2 minutes ago, BIG STU said:

I have never heard of him and I thought I kept up with all Golf pretty well

There are lots of players and other tours all over the world.  I look at leaderboards even for the PGA Tour and don’t know a lot of the players so,I am not a great person to ask

[RickyBobby_PR]

1 minute ago, russtopherb said:

Probably not the best Titleist example, as he wouldn't be a sponsored pro (or even on the tour at all, for that matter) if not for his father.

I don’t think his father hits the golf ball for him. While he’s not a great player he’s still has the skillset to play on tour and has made some decent money doing it.

 

[russtopherb]

3 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

I don’t think his father hits the golf ball for him. While he’s not a great player he’s still has the skillset to play on tour and has made some decent money doing it.

I stand by what I said, and I have plenty of reasons for doing so. 

[cnosil]

I’ll admit, I’m watching the event.  I watch golf if it is on but don’t generally go out of my way to watch golf, even the majors.  I also don’t root for specific players, I just watch the golf. 
So far it isn’t too bad and I probably couldn’t differentiate th golf from the golf played on any other tour.  I kind of like the shotgun start aspect,  everyone gets same weather conditions and the running score shows how many holes are left to play.  I’d say the announcing, other than the tour hype type commentary isnt too bad.  I think it is just American announcers that are terrible, Jerry Foltz is kind of annoying.  The others give the event a European event feel.  With the teams and draft and trades, it may require a little more attention than I am willing to do since I don’t get how it works across the season.  

[MDGolfHacker]

18 hours ago, Thin2win said:

yes. yes he is.

love that movie!

[Berg Ryman]

So in the last hour, PGA Tour suspended all those associated with LIV and will suspend anyone else who goes to play... LIV fires back calling the PGA Tour vindictive, and somewhere attorneys for both sides are just getting dollar signs in their eyes. What I wouldn't give to be a part of those legal teams right now.

[russtopherb]

7 minutes ago, Berg Ryman said:

So in the last hour, PGA Tour suspended all those associated with LIV and will suspend anyone else who goes to play... LIV fires back calling the PGA Tour vindictive, and somewhere attorneys for both sides are just getting dollar signs in their eyes. What I wouldn't give to be a part of those legal teams right now.

I get that pros are independent contractors, however there's no other pro sports league that would allow players to hop back and forth that I'm aware of. Maybe soccer does that?? No idea. But if you're in the NFL and that league has backed you, you can't just randomly hop back and forth from there to the CFL. Likewise with the NHL and the KHL. 

Again - I fully understand that we're talking individuals vs players in another sport that are contracted to their specific franchise. So it's not a true apples to apples comparison. But do see the PGA Tour's POV in all of this. 

[JohnSmalls]

1 hour ago, BIG STU said:

Well I do not know of any Titleist staffers jumping over. Now Mc Dowell is a Srixon player and I do not know of any Zuno players jumping either. And I certainally do not know of Maxfli/ Dicks sponsoring anyone either. But it should not make any difference of what brand anyone plays IMHO. On Srixon I wonder what the reaction is going to be because they are a Japanese owned company like Mizuno. 

Already been hit on, but there's a number of Titleist guys. 

1 hour ago, GolfSpy_APH said:

Lol live Stream on YouTube.... Has copy right of PGA tour unavailable 

Don't seem to have had that problem here in the US.  Funny there are a few other non-official Youtube channels streaming the coverage.  Wonder how long before LIV goes after those guys?

[Thin2win]

Initial thoughts,  production quality is way better then i was expecting.

[GolfSpy_APH]

Just now, JohnSmalls said:

Already been hit on, but there's a number of Titleist guys. 

Don't seem to have had that problem here in the US.  Funny there are a few other non-official Youtube channels streaming the coverage.  Wonder how long before LIV goes after those guys?

It's working now. There were 3 channels which the PGA blocked. 

[JohnSmalls]

23 minutes ago, russtopherb said:

I get that pros are independent contractors, however there's no other pro sports league that would allow players to hop back and forth that I'm aware of. Maybe soccer does that?? No idea. But if you're in the NFL and that league has backed you, you can't just randomly hop back and forth from there to the CFL. Likewise with the NHL and the KHL. 

Again - I fully understand that we're talking individuals vs players in another sport that are contracted to their specific franchise. So it's not a true apples to apples comparison. But do see the PGA Tour's POV in all of this. 

Up to this point there is no financial incentive for guys from the NFL, NHL, MLB, etc. to play anywhere else.  Some pro race car drivers have split time between two series like Fernando Alonso did in the middle of an F1 season when he went to race the Indy 500.  Soccer is really the only sport that I can think of that would offer competitive leagues that could be financially viable to players to split time, but then again the players are employees of the clubs that they are signed with and their playing schedules are practically identical, thus not viable to split time.  You will see occasionally a european player go on loan during their offseason (summer) to play in the MLS, but it is rare.

[JohnSmalls]

2 minutes ago, GolfSpy_APH said:

It's working now. There were 3 channels which the PGA blocked. 

Part of the entertainment is the back and forth between LIV and the PGA.  Get your month-long popcorn ready

[zstokes]

On the YouTube feed - I checked it out for a minute - LIV isn’t doing themselves any favors by abbreviating the players names, I think.  We know who Phil and DJ are, but who is leading the tournament?

[russtopherb]

7 minutes ago, JohnSmalls said:

Up to this point there is no financial incentive for guys from the NFL, NHL, MLB, etc. to play anywhere else.  Some pro race car drivers have split time between two series like Fernando Alonso did in the middle of an F1 season when he went to race the Indy 500.  Soccer is really the only sport that I can think of that would offer competitive leagues that could be financially viable to players to split time, but then again the players are employees of the clubs that they are signed with.  You will see occasionally a european player go on loan during their offseason (summer) to play in the MLS, but it is rare.

I'm not talking about the player financial aspect of it, rather the obligations (legal or otherwise) when you're committed to a specific league that has invested in you.

[JohnSmalls]

35 minutes ago, russtopherb said:

I'm not talking about the player financial aspect of it, rather the obligations (legal or otherwise) when you're committed to a specific league that has invested in you.

I gotcha.  In that case soccer (international competition) and racing kind of do allow you to hop back and forth.  IIRC a few years back there was a local WNBA player that would play in a different league overseas in the offseason and report back to her WNBA team for preseason and the regular season.   Depends on the contract but it's not completely unheard of.

*edit:  I completely forgot about the guys from the MLB that go and play in the Domincan, Mexican, and other central American leagues during the offseason. 

[berkeleybob]

“Relentless action.”

– LIV golf announcer

 

Not sure that’s how I’d describe what I’m watching. Personally, I like it when I just watch one group of players play a round of golf.

[ZJBogey2]

47 minutes ago, russtopherb said:

I get that pros are independent contractors, however there's no other pro sports league that would allow players to hop back and forth that I'm aware of. Maybe soccer does that?? No idea. But if you're in the NFL and that league has backed you, you can't just randomly hop back and forth from there to the CFL. Likewise with the NHL and the KHL. 

Again - I fully understand that we're talking individuals vs players in another sport that are contracted to their specific franchise. So it's not a true apples to apples comparison. But do see the PGA Tour's POV in all of this. 

Agreed, I can see both sides here. The difference from other sports may be 1. multi-year contracts where I dont believe MLB/NFL etc are independent contractors and 2. precedent from the tour letting players play across the globe in other tourneys. 

What really bothers me is restricting Korn Ferry membership. These guys arent paid great and need every opportunity they can get to move up the earnings ladder and play higher quality tournaments. 

I still think there is an ecosystem where these two can exist in harmony, similar to WGC events.