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Brooks hasn’t played competitive golf for years so this move makes a lot of sense.

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26 minutes ago, ZJBogey2 said:

Interesting! They'll have to provide more insight/update on PIP. The wraparound would hurt the younger/lower tier players though so that doesnt seem right. 

Losing the wraparound is the price for having to compete with LIV.

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36 minutes ago, sixcat said:

Rex Hoggard reporting developments from the player/commissioner meeting this morning. 

  • 3-event team series in Fall (Europe, Asia, Middle East), with top 50 from FedEx led by captains chosen from PIP.
  • Other players from Playoffs go into Fall Series for card.
  • No more reach-around...sorry, wraparound schedule beginning in 2023.

So, basically if you can't beat 'em, join 'em?  Except with $100M +/- less signing bonus. 🤣

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31 minutes ago, GolfSpy_APH said:

Morikawa has come out and said he is not at all going. So LIV is 1-1 on the day. 

I'm not surprised.  He's young, won a couple majors and has more of those on his mind.  I wonder what the offer might have been?  💰💰 $100M??

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19 minutes ago, LICC said:

I was categorizing them as either/or. Either past their prime, or the troublesome or unlikeable types.

Phil is past is prime and past any consistent high level playing. He caught lightning in a bottle at the PGA last year. 

DJ, Sergio, Brooks and Reed are in the unlikeable, problem-child category.

Shane Lowry is going to LIV? I didn't see that. As of a few days he ago he was pretty adamant that he was not. 

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15 minutes ago, MGoBlue100 said:

So, basically if you can't beat 'em, join 'em?  Except with $100M +/- less signing bonus. 🤣

Australia's golf media is making an issue that Australia will be excluded from these three events.

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If I'm understanding the Golf Digest update on the schedule changes...the fall portion will include 8 limited field no cut events...would that be following the FedEx Cup Tour Championship thus having top players play in 8 ADDITIONAL events in the fall? Most players dont play fall events currently so this seems to miss the mark. 

1 minute ago, LICC said:

Australia's golf media is making an issue that Australia will be excluded from these three events.

Aren't they typically included in "Asia". I'd think it would be similar makeup to the Presidents Cup. 

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1 minute ago, ZJBogey2 said:

If I'm understanding the Golf Digest update on the schedule changes...the fall portion will include 8 limited field no cut events...would that be following the FedEx Cup Tour Championship thus having top players play in 8 ADDITIONAL events in the fall? Most players dont play fall events currently so this seems to miss the mark. 

I would guess the 8 events are optional with three of them being the team events?

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7 minutes ago, ZJBogey2 said:

If I'm understanding the Golf Digest update on the schedule changes...the fall portion will include 8 limited field no cut events...would that be following the FedEx Cup Tour Championship thus having top players play in 8 ADDITIONAL events in the fall? Most players dont play fall events currently so this seems to miss the mark. 

Aren't they typically included in "Asia". I'd think it would be similar makeup to the Presidents Cup. 

I would hope so. I'm guessing that would mean rotating there every few years.

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So if I understand this correctly the left handed golfer is getting exactly what he wanted from the Tour? Funny things happy when competition is introduced. 

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That is still something I am curious about with this whole thing. Yes right now it is 8 events, but when it goes to 14 or 15 events these guys will be obligated to play them all I would imagine? In subsequent years it would make sense that teams aren't drafted new each week, but are rolled over week after week? Meaning if a top player takes a week off it would be crappy for that team that week. Add in all the added media stuff and they are very much playing just as much as they would on tour with all the added stuff no? 

I'm trying to see it form a commitment side and golfing, not taking money into consideration. It seems like they will still be playing a lot and some still want to play on the DP world tour? If they can that is. 

The whole thing just makes me shake my head a little bit. Certainly keeping things interesting, but I do believe some of these players that want to play less will end up playing more and the other part which has been brought out with all the bigger names jumping over it is leaving less room for the lower end guys who have arguably put more on the line by going over. 

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42 minutes ago, bens197 said:

Brooks hasn’t played competitive golf for years so this move makes a lot of sense.

Brooks played 3 majors in 2021 and finished T2, T4, T6

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16 minutes ago, GolfSpy_APH said:

That is still something I am curious about with this whole thing. Yes right now it is 8 events, but when it goes to 14 or 15 events these guys will be obligated to play them all I would imagine? In subsequent years it would make sense that teams aren't drafted new each week, but are rolled over week after week? Meaning if a top player takes a week off it would be crappy for that team that week. Add in all the added media stuff and they are very much playing just as much as they would on tour with all the added stuff no? 

I'm trying to see it form a commitment side and golfing, not taking money into consideration. It seems like they will still be playing a lot and some still want to play on the DP world tour? If they can that is. 

The whole thing just makes me shake my head a little bit. Certainly keeping things interesting, but I do believe some of these players that want to play less will end up playing more and the other part which has been brought out with all the bigger names jumping over it is leaving less room for the lower end guys who have arguably put more on the line by going over. 

I thought the premise was that these players could come "in and out" sort of as they wished?  I'm guessing the $100M+ bonuses came with some sort of minimum number of events, but moving forward I admit that I don't know.  If the PIF buys the DP World Tour, will the LIV events become "invitationals" that only the top echelon of players can play?  Sort of like what the PGA Tour is now proposing? 🤣  Stay tuned...  Inquiring minds and all that.

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1 minute ago, MGoBlue100 said:

I thought the premise was that these players could come "in and out" sort of as they wished?  I'm guessing the $100M+ bonuses came with some sort of minimum number of events, but moving forward I admit that I don't know.  If the PIF buys the DP World Tour, will the LIV events become "invitationals" that only the top echelon of players can play?  Sort of like what the PGA Tour is now proposing? 🤣  Stay tuned...  Inquiring minds and all that.

The come "in and out" piece is going to be interesting. I have a feeling that eventually somebody doesn't get paid their full amount because they didn't uphold their full contract and miss an event or media requirement. I can't wait for somebody to leak their contract because they get upset.

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14 minutes ago, jlukes said:

Brooks played 3 majors in 2021 and finished T2, T4, T6

Yep.  Too bad we are losing him on the PGA Tour.  But I get it, less BS to deal with probably.  Can play the US Open and PGAC… and I’m sure he will get invited to the Masters, and somehow earn his way into the Open.

If there are more people leaving, I would imagine they will get OGWR points at some point.

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23 minutes ago, GolfSpy_APH said:

That is still something I am curious about with this whole thing. Yes right now it is 8 events, but when it goes to 14 or 15 events these guys will be obligated to play them all I would imagine? In subsequent years it would make sense that teams aren't drafted new each week, but are rolled over week after week? Meaning if a top player takes a week off it would be crappy for that team that week. Add in all the added media stuff and they are very much playing just as much as they would on tour with all the added stuff no? 

I'm trying to see it form a commitment side and golfing, not taking money into consideration. It seems like they will still be playing a lot and some still want to play on the DP world tour? If they can that is. 

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Is there an accessible info source that easily shows the # of events that each top 50 or top 75 player played each of the last few years? What's the required PGA minimum? 

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Just now, ZJBogey2 said:

Is there an accessible info source that easily shows the # of events that each top 50 or top 75 player played each of the last few years? What's the required PGA minimum? 

Its so dependent on individuals. I would put it at around 18ish. That is just based off fantasy golf and the starts I get out of most guys in a season. Of course some of the DP World Tour guys play less... Not many play the min of 15 to my knowledge though?

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Is there an accessible info source that easily shows the # of events that each top 50 or top 75 player played each of the last few years? What's the required PGA minimum? 

The minimum is 15, however Fed Ex Cup, Majors, and WGCs count toward the 15. Worth noting during COVID they changed the minimum to 10, not sure if that bounced back up to 15 though.

Looking at the OWGR, 40 events seems to be the minimum to hold space on the rankings and going back through history most players land in that range of 45-50 events on a 2 year rolling schedule.

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The minimum is 15, however Fed Ex Cup, Majors, and WGCs count toward the 15. Worth noting during COVID they changed the minimum to 10, not sure if that bounced back up to 15 though.

Looking at the OWGR, 40 events seems to be the minimum to hold space on the rankings and going back through history most players land in that range of 45-50 events on a 2 year rolling schedule.

Yep looks like it is 15 minimum. Looking back on the past 4 seasons (covid impact not withstanding) I looked at 10 of the bigger name players...it averages to about 18-20 rounds. I dont believe that takes into account any Euro/DP events they may have played so it's likely a little higher.

I still think you could make the numbers work with compromise of both tours. Based on the 20 events, that's 80 rounds of golf. If the tour reduced their minimum to say 12 and LIV was 12 events (possibly combine those in some way with WGC), that ends up around 84 rounds based on 4 round PGA/3 round LIV events. Maybe those players are more willing to have that type of schedule if there is guaranteed money in most of those events and if they were geographically convenient to one another. 

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1 hour ago, bens197 said:

Brooks hasn’t played competitive golf for years so this move makes a lot of sense.

Is this sarcastic? If not that's just wrong because he had two top 5 finishes at majors last season. 

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