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9 minutes ago, ZJBogey2 said:

Is this sarcastic? If not that's just wrong because he had two top 5 finishes at majors last season. 

Yes and no.  

He’s not the force he was when he was dominating at the PGA and US Open.  

Yes he had two top 5’s.  He also has a consecutive MC streak at ANGC, and finished 55th this year at the USOpen and T55 at the PGA.

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8 minutes ago, bens197 said:

Yes and no.  

He’s not the force he was when he was dominating at the PGA and US Open.  

Yes he had two top 5’s.  He also has a consecutive MC streak at ANGC, and finished 55th this year at the USOpen and T55 at the PGA.

Again, I dont know that should be the measurement for being a "force". World #1 Scottie Scheffler had a MC at the PGA this year on what he says is his favorite course. Spieth had a MC at The Masters. Morikowa also had a T55 at the PGA. 

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Tour announces four event series with $20 million purse each… Hmmm!

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Brooks Koepka will be announced as the Saudi rebel circuit’s latest high-profile signing and is expected to play in the first LIV Series event on US soil next week.

The four-time major winner will join brother Chase on Greg Norman's breakaway tour and will be banned from the PGA Tour as a result. His LIV debut in Portland, Oregon will be another blow to the US Ryder Cup team, who will face five members of 2018 team and three from 2021 being ineligible for next year’s match in Rome.

Koepka, 32, has been in talks with the Saudi-funded series for months and sources have confirmed that the deal has finally got over the line. Dustin Johnson, another former world No 1, signed for a £120 million ($150m) up front fee and Koepka will have also commanded a seven-figure sum as he takes his place alongside not only Johnson, but Phil Mickelson, Sergio García, Bryson DeChambeau, Patrick Reed, Lee Westwood and Ian Poulter.

It will be interesting to see if LIV makes any great play of the long-running 'feud' between Koepka and DeChambeau. Tensions have eased between the pair – they played a made for TV match last year – but there is clearly no love lost and their spat does present obvious possibilities for Norman's venture as it tries to attract eyeballs.

The roster is getting stronger by the week and will worry the PGA Tour and DP World Tour – formerly the European Tour – who were on a high after a gripping US Open on the weekend, that apparently had highlighted the need for the sport to put glory before money.

Anyone still dismissing the series as an irrelevant sideshow for fading golfers should perhaps consider that of the last 21 majors nine have been won by LIV-contracted golfers. And that figure is set to rise with other top 20 players rumored to be in the pipeline. 😬

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52 minutes ago, ZJBogey2 said:

Again, I dont know that should be the measurement for being a "force". World #1 Scottie Scheffler had a MC at the PGA this year on what he says is his favorite course. Spieth had a MC at The Masters. Morikowa also had a T55 at the PGA. 

It’s making sense why baby bro got an offer…

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45 minutes ago, PMookie said:

Tour announces four event series with $20 million purse each… Hmmm!

It’s not about the money; it is about the history of the tournament and having you name next to players like Hogan, Snead,….. oh wait they didnt play these new events.  😂

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3 minutes ago, cnosil said:

It’s not about the money; it is about the history of the tournament and having you name next to players like Hogan, Snead,….. oh wait they didnt play these new events.  😂

Isn’t it obvious…they’re “growing the game…” 

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5 hours ago, jlukes said:

Brooks is the poster child for LiV

only cares about money. Not even sure he actually likes playing golf

We know he doesn’t like playing 18 holes and get bored after 14 iirc. This is perfect for him and his boredom.

4 hours ago, ZJBogey2 said:

Is there prestige in winning the Travelers this week? Or the JD, or Rocket Mortgage? I dont think the field at JD this year is going to be much more enticing, if at all, then the LIV event. 

I saw an interesting stat this morning that 9 of the last 21 major winners have gone to LIV, that's 40%. That's not a small number. 

I also think it's interesting seeing a lot of people bash the no cut approach yet the WGC's have typically been no cut events, haven't they? 

Breed said on the radio this morning that there is a players only meeting today and another meeting amongst players/administration?. I think Monahan is starting to feel the pressure and a calculated response is coming tomorrow. 

 

 

Yes. It’s a pga tour win which not everyone can say they have, it gives world ranking points, exemptions to the tour for 2 years and entry into larger events and majors. 

2 hours ago, ZJBogey2 said:

Is there an accessible info source that easily shows the # of events that each top 50 or top 75 player played each of the last few years? What's the required PGA minimum? 

Yes it’s called the pga tour website. If you want to see just stats you can google the players name with the word stats after and a link to the pga website for that player will come up and you can see what events they player and how they did.

Minimum is 12 or 15, but there is also stipulations and guys have to play events they haven’t played in the past 3 or 5 years but also again the specifics are on the pga tour website 

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2 hours ago, bens197 said:

Yes and no.  

He’s not the force he was when he was dominating at the PGA and US Open.  

Yes he had two top 5’s.  He also has a consecutive MC streak at ANGC, and finished 55th this year at the USOpen and T55 at the PGA.

He probably committed earlier to LIV but wanted to wait out the PGA Championship and US Open to announce it. It wouldn’t surprise me if one of his conditions to play included an invitation for his brother.
Brooks’s game seems to have contracted LIV-itis like Phil, Na, DJ, Reed, Bland, Bryson and the rest. The major symptoms include shooting over par and a bulging wallet. The more severe strain includes missed cuts as one’s immunity to cuts is weakened by LIV.

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5 hours ago, LICC said:

I don't see the OWGR giving points to LIV events at a meaningful level. They can't equate these no-cut, small field, 54 hole, shotgun events to the 72-hole, large field events on other tours.

The Tour should institute an actual off-season where events don't apply FedEx Cup points and the top players can play in limited field events if they choose. Maybe the 8-10 weeks between the Tour Championship and the RSM Classic. Otherwise, there aren't any ground-breaking changes the Tour could or should make that I can see.

Any points they get for the OWGR give them credibility. Every player they take from the tour gives them more credibility. When you give someone an inch and they keep taking and taking after a while that inch looks like a few feet. The longer it goes on the more the tour should worry. As long as LIV has money their will be offers and temptation. The days of thinking you can wait this out and it will be over probably aren’t happening. The Tour needs an off-season. It could open up legal action against the tour if they allow players to play in other events but not the LIV. It’s a slippery slope, but they really need to find a way to put money and more time back into the big players pockets. I think if they figure that out it eliminates the attractiveness of LIV

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30 minutes ago, RollingGreens said:

Any points they get for the OWGR give them credibility. Every player they take from the tour gives them more credibility. When you give someone an inch and they keep taking and taking after a while that inch looks like a few feet. The longer it goes on the more the tour should worry. As long as LIV has money their will be offers and temptation. The days of thinking you can wait this out and it will be over probably aren’t happening. The Tour needs an off-season. It could open up legal action against the tour if they allow players to play in other events but not the LIV. It’s a slippery slope, but they really need to find a way to put money and more time back into the big players pockets. I think if they figure that out it eliminates the attractiveness of LIV

Not really. If they don't give enough points to qualify for majors, it is meaningless. 

LIV is new. It will get some players. But they may keep getting more higher level players, or it may dwindle over time and become inconsequential, consisting of has-beens and those who couldn't stay on the Tour with an occasional top player sell-out here or there.

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9 minutes ago, LICC said:

Not really. If they don't give enough points to qualify for majors, it is meaningless. 

LIV is new. It will get some players. But they may keep getting more higher level players, or it may dwindle over time and become inconsequential, consisting of has-beens and those who couldn't stay on the Tour with an occasional top player sell-out here or there.

They're going to get OWGR points. Their fields of 48 will still be almost half filled with top 100 OWGR golfers so they will have a strength of field argument rather folks want to say they are "past their prime" or not. I'd wager to bet by their Chicago event, they have a stronger average field than the DP World Tour event going on at the same time that week. 

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4 hours ago, ZJBogey2 said:

If I'm understanding the Golf Digest update on the schedule changes...the fall portion will include 8 limited field no cut events...would that be following the FedEx Cup Tour Championship thus having top players play in 8 ADDITIONAL events in the fall? Most players dont play fall events currently so this seems to miss the mark. 

Aren't they typically included in "Asia". I'd think it would be similar makeup to the Presidents Cup. 

From ESPN: 

According to sources, the increased purses would include existing tournaments such as the Sentry Tournament of Champions, the Genesis Invitational, Arnold Palmer Invitational, the Players Championship, the Memorial Tournament and others. Sources said the increased purses would be paid from sponsors or the tour's reserves.

Additionally, three new international events, which would include no cuts and as many as the top 60 players in the previous season's FedEx Cup standings, would be introduced. The events would not have anchor cities and would move around like the major championships, according to sources.

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10 minutes ago, ZJBogey2 said:

They're going to get OWGR points. Their fields of 48 will still be almost half filled with top 100 OWGR golfers so they will have a strength of field argument rather folks want to say they are "past their prime" or not. I'd wager to bet by their Chicago event, they have a stronger average field than the DP World Tour event going on at the same time that week. 

It will still be a small field, a 54- hole no-cut event, and shotgun start. The points will likely be significantly less than any full PGA Tour event.

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1 hour ago, cnosil said:

It’s not about the money; it is about the history of the tournament and having you name next to players like Hogan, Snead,….. oh wait they didnt play these new events.  😂

The Majors are the Majors... until they aren't.  The 4 majors that Bobby Jones won in a calendar year aren't the 4 majors that are celebrated today. You can't get that tradition and history without starting. If the LIV group puts up an Invitational event every year and calls it a major... so be it. The Masters was made a Major in the 1960's... because it was the event that had the single highest purse. So by that token, the Players should have been a major for awhile. I'm not a fan of the funding that backs LIV, its bad. But the format idea itself sounded good when the PGL was trying to pitch it to the PGA, too bad the PGA ignored it and the LIV came to be.

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23 minutes ago, LICC said:

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According to sources, the increased purses would include existing tournaments such as the Sentry Tournament of Champions, the Genesis Invitational, Arnold Palmer Invitational, the Players Championship, the Memorial Tournament and others. Sources said the increased purses would be paid from sponsors or the tour's reserves.

Additionally, three new international events, which would include no cuts and as many as the top 60 players in the previous season's FedEx Cup standings, would be introduced. The events would not have anchor cities and would move around like the major championships, according to sources.

I like the sound of that, and given the events, a lot of the big names already attend a lot of those (maybe not Sentry given the Hawaii travel?). I'd like to nominate Colorado as one of the sites for the events 🤪 not enough PGA events in the area and need more! 

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24 minutes ago, LICC said:

It will still be a small field, a 54- hole no-cut event, and shotgun start. The points will likely be significantly less than any full PGA Tour event.

I dont think the shotgun start would have any baring on awarding points. I could see them growing into similar point events as a WGC with limited fields. I don't believe they do but does Champions Tour events award OWGR? (as those are also only 54 hole events and no cut)? 

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7 hours ago, ZJBogey2 said:

Is there prestige in winning the Travelers this week? Or the JD, or Rocket Mortgage? I dont think the field at JD this year is going to be much more enticing, if at all, then the LIV event. 

I saw an interesting stat this morning that 9 of the last 21 major winners have gone to LIV, that's 40%. That's not a small number. 

I also think it's interesting seeing a lot of people bash the no cut approach yet the WGC's have typically been no cut events, haven't they? 

Breed said on the radio this morning that there is a players only meeting today and another meeting amongst players/administration?. I think Monahan is starting to feel the pressure and a calculated response is coming tomorrow. 

 

 

I saw an interesting stat this morning that 9 of the last 21 major winners have gone to LIV, that's 40%. That's not a small number. 

This should get someone's attention, but I am sure we will still hear all the excuses.

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1 hour ago, LICC said:

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According to sources, the increased purses would include existing tournaments such as the Sentry Tournament of Champions, the Genesis Invitational, Arnold Palmer Invitational, the Players Championship, the Memorial Tournament and others. Sources said the increased purses would be paid from sponsors or the tour's reserves.

Additionally, three new international events, which would include no cuts and as many as the top 60 players in the previous season's FedEx Cup standings, would be introduced. The events would not have anchor cities and would move around like the major championships, according to sources.

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