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1 hour ago, cnosil said:

Never questioned where the money came from nor do I care.  In my opinion it shows that the tour believes it is about money and not winning specific events and tradition.   Few of the players will admit that it is about money. The solution the PGA tour seems to come up with is catering to the top 30 player by throwing more money at them.  Why won’t the PGA tour just come out and say we are going to throw as much money as we can to the top players so we can keep them here.   Change from non profit status and let’s just pay them to be a member of the tour.  

The legacy BS that we have heard for the last year was just that, BS!

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11 minutes ago, PeterHenric said:

Meh, agree to disagree. Typically, when you list reasons, you list the most important reason first. 

I am not bashing the PGA, and don't think I ever have. I have talked about things I don't like about the tour as well as things I do like about the tour. I do think that Monaghan really mishandled this whole LIV situation. You are just upset because I haven't given the tour my undying devotion the way you have. I am here to be entertained, not to choose sides because of politics. I watch both PGA and LIV events. Sorry, not sorry.

The first thing he mentioned was “The Tour is having its strongest year in history of the PGA Tour and is performing well ahead of budget.”

But keep kidding yourself.

Not at all upset that you prefer LIV over the PGA, it’s the stream of self serving misinformation you spew that’s tiresome. Like obviously misstating what Monaghan said…and trying to defend it.

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FWIW, I am actually bummed that LIV exists. It has fragmented the players and makes it so that only half of the players I want to actually watch are on the tour. The other half went to LIV. My reaction to that is that I will watch these players wherever they are. PGA or LIV, it doesn't matter. I'm not drawing a line in the sand.

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2 minutes ago, PeterHenric said:

FWIW, I am actually bummed that LIV exists. It has fragmented the players and makes it so that only half of the players I want to actually watch are on the tour. The other half went to LIV. My reaction to that is that I will watch these players wherever they are. PGA or LIV, it doesn't matter. I'm not drawing a line in the sand.

What exactly do you think Monahan mishandled? What is it that you think he should have done differently that would have led to LIV not happening? Norman had been working with Mickelson for a long time on LIV and the Saudis were launching it no matter what Monahan would have done.

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3 minutes ago, LICC said:

What exactly do you think Monahan mishandled? What is it that you think he should have done differently that would have led to LIV not happening? Norman had been working with Mickelson for a long time on LIV and the Saudis were launching it no matter what Monahan would have done.

If these changes were done prior to LIV starting very few if any of the players would be with LIV. And LIV would not exist without them. 

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7 minutes ago, THEZIPR23 said:

If these changes were done prior to LIV starting very few if any of the players would be with LIV. And LIV would not exist without them. 

Disagree. A decent number of the LIV players would have left for more money anyway.

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I looked at the public pga tour financial statement earlier this year and i believe they had a $700M reserve.  I would have to make sure my memory is accurate later when i can look it up on a laptop and not my phone.  i dont remember what year the statement was filed for.

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32 minutes ago, THEZIPR23 said:

If these changes were done prior to LIV starting very few if any of the players would be with LIV. And LIV would not exist without them. 

To a point, I agree with you. I think some guys would have jumped ship regardless but I would guess that they could have retained some of the players.
 I saw on Twitter where Dan Rapaport said that a lot of these changes are what Mickelson had been calling for the entire time. 

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25 minutes ago, Shapotomous said:

I looked at the public pga tour financial statement earlier this year and i believe they had a $700M reserve.  I would have to make sure my memory is accurate later when i can look it up on a laptop and not my phone.  i dont remember what year the statement was filed for.

Earlier this year Monahan said the PGA Tour's reserves were $225 million. Which is not excessive for an organization with $3.8 billion in assets.

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1 hour ago, LICC said:

Something I have never said. Stop making thing up again.

Didn't you say that players left for LIV because of greed and that they had plenty of money?   I was saying the PGA players had plenty money and they are greedy as well and the tour doesn't need to give the top players any more. 

On 6/22/2022 at 9:00 AM, LICC said:

Of course any of us can express opinions about the greed and morals of the sellouts. We all have sufficient information on this. We are affected by it and/or have an interest as golf fans and can judge the players actions in that light. None of the stars who joined LIV were ever going to worry about their families starving. 

 

 

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32 minutes ago, cnosil said:

Didn't you say that players left for LIV because of greed and that they had plenty of money?   I was saying the PGA players had plenty money and they are greedy as well and the tour doesn't need to give the top players any more. 

 

 

What you made up doesn’t connect to what I said. The PGA Tour players who stay are still making less than if they went to LIV. 

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I guess the Tiger/Rory duo could further complicate LIV’s success?  Who knows.  

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4 hours ago, ryan.mzzz said:

 

i applaud the sentiment. I also fight to do what you guys claim to, but even so, I’m human, and advertising works on humans, in general. Maybe you guys and others on this particular message board are exceptions. 

Ok I think it's some of what you say, where do the ideas of what golf club do I want to play come from? First it's the guys I'm friends with because there mates and I want to spend time with them so I look at how to do that and it's always been sports, I played 2 times a year until my 30s because tennis was my thing. Then golf came along and because of lack of money for obscene cost of golf clubs I bought second hand, I never believe what some famous sports person was saying about how great his club's were because he's getting paid obscene amounts of money to say what he's saying. But I'm 70 y/o before I bought a $1000 irons and $700 driver, it's crazy how expensive golf is and the only reason I've spent so much money on clubs is it's about the only sport I can play competitively at my age and fitness...

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1 hour ago, PeterHenric said:

To a point, I agree with you. I think some guys would have jumped ship regardless but I would guess that they could have retained some of the players.
 I saw on Twitter where Dan Rapaport said that a lot of these changes are what Mickelson had been calling for the entire time. 

The tour was planning these things already but put stuff on hold because of covid and they had to do things to make sure the tour came out of the pandemic on the better side of things.

The players that left were going to leave no matter what

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3 hours ago, PeterHenric said:

Did you watch the press conference? One of the reporters asked Monaghan where they got the money for all of these increased purses and funding. His response was 3 things but I'll only cite the first one as it is most applicable and it was the #1 reason. He said they have money in the bank because they were frugal with their spending. You have got to think that the amounts they have in the bank are substantially larger than what they just promised because they said this is the plan going forward. I don't know what the total dollar amount everything adds up to be but it has to be substantial and for them to promise all of this money for the foreseeable future, it has to be a lot of money sitting in the bank. They did say that sponsors will step up but the majority of the money was from the PGA bank account.

IMO, Phil's comments were actually pretty accurate.  

And Tiger Rory and Co will give all extra Money to charity because they aren't doing it for money, YEAH RIGHT. If you still believe it's for the glory and the Majors I can get you a good deal on the Sydney Harbour bridge !!!!

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10 minutes ago, LICC said:

What you made up doesn’t connect to what I said. The PGA Tour players who stay are still making less than if they went to LIV. 

Don't disagree.  I provided my opinion that the money being allocated seems to be going to the top players; which based on your statements about the LIV players;  have enough money.   Hearing PGA players repeatedly saying they playing for the traditions of the game are those that don't need more money and have enough for their lifetime so why allocate more money; let the tour survive based on tradition, being a good employer, and TV viewership.    If the players are greedy they will go to LIV no matter how much money the PGA tour comes up with unless the PGA gives the PGA players LIV like money which I don't think will happen.  If the product is as good as everyone thinks it will survive on its own merits.   This is no different than any person assessing their current job and a new job offer.  At the end of the day why is having another employer a bad thing?  You can work for them if they offer you a job otherwise you can work for someone else.  If you don't like the product that is produced don't watch.  

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2 hours ago, THEZIPR23 said:

If these changes were done prior to LIV starting very few if any of the players would be with LIV. And LIV would not exist without them. 

Maybe, we'll never know. They might have had plans along these lines but Covid was a set back for the PGA like most organizations - incidentally they spent considerable PGA reserves making it through that.

Norman has had an axe to grind since 1994, so this may well have happened one way or another. But no one is denying the PGA has had to change due to LIV, whether totally in response to or just accelerating existing plans we'll never know.

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16 minutes ago, cnosil said:

Don't disagree.  I provided my opinion that the money being allocated seems to be going to the top players; which based on your statements about the LIV players;  have enough money.   Hearing PGA players repeatedly saying they playing for the traditions of the game are those that don't need more money and have enough for their lifetime so why allocate more money; let the tour survive based on tradition, being a good employer, and TV viewership.    If the players are greedy they will go to LIV no matter how much money the PGA tour comes up with unless the PGA gives the PGA players LIV like money which I don't think will happen.  If the product is as good as everyone thinks it will survive on its own merits.   This is no different than any person assessing their current job and a new job offer.  At the end of the day why is having another employer a bad thing?  You can work for them if they offer you a job otherwise you can work for someone else.  If you don't like the product that is produced don't watch.  

It's not that simple as you know. Why are you ignoring the source of the money and the sports washing aspect, a very big deal to some - as discussed many times in this thread. If Coca-Cola had given Greg Norman $2B to start a competing league, many of us would have a very different POV. This isn't just a simple choice between employers to all.

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anyone that  doesn't think it's about the money , wait until the top 20 start playing , it will not take long to put it on a pay to watch by one of the plus streamers .

as far as the pga having things to change in the mill for a couple years , i bought the only new car ever in 1963 , i have been thinking about buying another new car every year since then .

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