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6 hours ago, cnosil said:

Maybe I misread what you said, but that was my interpretation.  Your strong opinions regarding the “despicable Saudi regime” will never allow you to step back and look at other perspectives; which is fine and your choice.   Again, we don’t know what their lifestyle is or how much money they need to support that lifestyle.  Yes it is a lifestyle far above mine and probably everyone reading this forum but you don’t know their expenses or how much money they have.  I personally don’t hold it against them for getting as much guaranteed money as possible because no one knows what the future holds.

My point is I don’t believe that anything the PGA tour is doing will “fix” whatever the issue is they are trying to fix.  My assumption is that issue is people leaving and going to LIV…they don’t have enough money to do that.  People will stay and people will leave for their own reasons.  IMO, targeting money at the top 50ish players or the other changes doesn’t do much for the tour as a whole. 

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19 hours ago, Undershooter said:

…but these guys are uber competitive. If they see schmoes like Grace and Schwartzel winning on LIV and making twice to three times as much as them, of course that's going to piss them off. The upper end PGAT players know that they are better than players of that caliber 

Well, that “schmoe” Schwartzel has one thing most of them (including Rory) wish they had: a green jacket. He’s been on four Prez cup teams and was top ten in the World. Pretty good resume IMO. 

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1 hour ago, MGoBlue100 said:

Well, that “schmoe” Schwartzel has one thing most of them (including Rory) wish they had: a green jacket. He’s been on four Prez cup teams and was top ten in the World. Pretty good resume IMO. 

And he's not been a decent PGAT or EuroT player in years... He's currently 124th in the world which is actually an improvement if you look at the few years before that. He hasn't been a top 50 player in 5 years if I had to guess.

 

Plenty of the guys on liv were once decent players. That doesn't mean they are currently any good.

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On 8/23/2022 at 6:40 PM, Rickp said:

Really?

Yes, had a pic of Phil promoting the next event on the main page. Wish I’d taken a screenshot, I have not seen it since. 

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 love to watch s. scheffler hit the ball , if he stays healthy he will be #1 for 2-3 years , out of the top 20 playing at least 20 tournaments he could easy win 5 of them .

he has a complete game .

liv gave dj 150 mil , scheffler should be worth 300 mil but he may make that much in 5 years on the pga tour .

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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https://www.golfmonthly.com/news/tiger-woods-and-rory-mcilroy-served-subpoena-by-liv-golf

Just wow. Yet LIV has NDAs left right and center and won't disclose contracts. 

This is going to get way uglier.

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3 hours ago, GolfSpy_APH said:

https://www.golfmonthly.com/news/tiger-woods-and-rory-mcilroy-served-subpoena-by-liv-golf

Just wow. Yet LIV has NDAs left right and center and won't disclose contracts. 

This is going to get way uglier.

So much for creating a positive image for the Saudis, e.g. sportswashing. This is growing the game?

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17 minutes ago, Middler said:

So much for creating a positive image for the Saudis, e.g. sportswashing. This is growing the game?

I wonder what the reaction would have been if roles were reversed and PGA whoever had subpoenaed LIV folk while they were conducting all their backdoor stuff. 

Crappy part is I truly just want all of this to be over and for golf to get back to being golf and fun to watch without all this background noise which no matter what clouds how I feel about the pro game and unfortunately this is still going to go on for years and years and years.

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22 minutes ago, GolfSpy_APH said:

I wonder what the reaction would have been if roles were reversed and PGA whoever had subpoenaed LIV folk while they were conducting all their backdoor stuff. 

Crappy part is I truly just want all of this to be over and for golf to get back to being golf and fun to watch without all this background noise which no matter what clouds how I feel about the pro game and unfortunately this is still going to go on for years and years and years.

I cant even keep up with it all. Just so many things going on and back and forths, my brain just doesnt operate and I just dont understand how people can act in these ways. 

In a word the whole situation is Petty....

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Just got press credentials for the LIV stop outside of Boston next week. Just need to see for myself what it's all about. My guess is the fan experience is going to be very good, and I'm expecting all the logistics to be fine. It'll be interesting to see how the town of Bolton and the course itself handle crowds, but from what I've read about other venues, it all seems like it's been very well done. 

They do have some interesting Media Guidelines...

 

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15 minutes ago, GolfSpy Barbajo said:

Just got press credentials for the LIV stop outside of Boston next week. Just need to see for myself what it's all about. My guess is the fan experience is going to be very good, and I'm expecting all the logistics to be fine. It'll be interesting to see how the town of Bolton and the course itself handle crowds, but from what I've read about other venues, it all seems like it's been very well done. 

They do have some interesting Media Guidelines...

 

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Should be interesting to hear your take. Side note as someone who is not a Credential Holder and never has been, what are the interesting points or differences from a PGA event if you don't mind me asking.

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20 minutes ago, GolfSpy Barbajo said:

Just got press credentials for the LIV stop outside of Boston next week. Just need to see for myself what it's all about. My guess is the fan experience is going to be very good, and I'm expecting all the logistics to be fine. It'll be interesting to see how the town of Bolton and the course itself handle crowds, but from what I've read about other venues, it all seems like it's been very well done. 

They do have some interesting Media Guidelines...

 

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This is cool John; looking forward to hear what you think of the venue.  Not being familiar with typical media related restrictions/requirements, what stands out to you as different?  If you happen to see Brooks (after he signs his scorecard of course) tell him Fix thinks he's a bum for stringing me along on the MGS Fantasy League and that I hope he shoots in the 80's all 3 days 🤣.

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1 hour ago, Middler said:

This is growing the game?

Absolutely.  Even casual and non-golf fans are following this train-wreck mini-series. It wouldn't surprise me in the least that someone is already writing the script for pro golf's version of "Tiger King".  Question is does Jay play Carole and Greg play Joe Exotic... or vice-versa?

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1 hour ago, GolfSpy_APH said:

Crappy part is I truly just want all of this to be over and for golf to get back to being golf and fun to watch without all this background noise which no matter what clouds how I feel about the pro game and unfortunately this is still going to go on for years and years and years.

Sadly, I think that ship has long sailed Jamie.  Now that LIV found way more traction than I ever thought it would, I think the only way this ends, eventually, is with some compromise from both principals. This will be difficult though as it's clear both have deep levels of distain for one another.

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5 hours ago, GolfSpy_APH said:

https://www.golfmonthly.com/news/tiger-woods-and-rory-mcilroy-served-subpoena-by-liv-golf

Just wow. Yet LIV has NDAs left right and center and won't disclose contracts. 

This is going to get way uglier.

 

2 hours ago, Middler said:

So much for creating a positive image for the Saudis, e.g. sportswashing. This is growing the game?

Those with nothing to hide, hide nothing....right?

 

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The only reason any of this is happening is one thing and it has little to do with Phil or Greg. None of this would have occurred without the Saudis wanting to clean up their image on the world stage and their willingness to use their resources to throw a ton of money at golf. 

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Ok I love a good discussion, and I respect all points of view.  BUT!  Can we dispense with the talk about the PGA, and others being the holder of, or  the sacred torch of "growing the game", or even caring at all about those of us who play on the weekend for fun. 

It has become apparent to me as a weekend hack, that those are just hollow empty words, no matter who says them, PGA, R&A, USGA(referred to as "they" from now on). So here goes my final RANT ON THIS THREAD!

"THEY" believed they could never fail. They felt secure in the fact, that because it had gone unchallenged for so long, that their system, of non-guaranteed payouts, to the top athletes in their field would last forever.  While players in other sports made 3-4 times what top golfers received in winnings for a season.  They believed their campaign of convincing everyone, who plays golf that they are somehow superior to others, and adopting it as god given, that "they alone speak for what golf should be,  would keep people in line, and based on some of the comments I've seen, its still working to a certain extent. 

And now "they" are "taken aback" and "aghast", that now being equitably compensated for once, compared to other top athletes, that those they actively and purposely, underpaid, are a little upset over how they were treated, and now that the players, "don't have to take what "they" offer, and like it anymore".  And OMG after being treated poorly, they may want what could be considered a little bit of revenge, say it isn't so! 

  

 

 

 

 

 

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23 minutes ago, stuka44 said:

It has become apparent to me as a weekend hack, that those are just hollow empty words, no matter who says them, PGA, R&A, USGA(referred to as "they" from now on).

Hey Stu, while I totally agree with your Rant that this is getting to be an "old subject" I feel that you should take some time to learn who the players are.

The "they" you refer to are the keepers of the "game of golf" that all us weekend warriors enjoy. THEY are NOT the parties involved in the ongoing fiasco. 

The PGA Tour, DP Tour and other TOURS are entertainment companies that run their exhibitions (tournaments) based on the rules of golf - as maintained by the USGA, R&A and supported by the PGA. Hopefully "they" will come out of this mess unscathed. 

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3 hours ago, fixyurdivot said:

Absolutely.  Even casual and non-golf fans are following this train-wreck mini-series.

Some are and some aren't, but even if they are following, this isn't growing the game. I don't see how any of this makes more people interested in playing golf.

3 hours ago, bens197 said:

 

Those with nothing to hide, hide nothing....right?

 

So players can't meet and have private discussions anymore? That is not how the world works.

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