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3 hours ago, BIG STU said:

Now to state up front I do not care where DJ plays or anyone for that matter.

Some people don't care or don't want to bother to think it through, but many others rightly take a negative view of those supporting one of the most brutal, horrific, abusive dictatorships in the world. It's perfectly understandable for DJ to lose his sponsors and damage his reputation over this, but the promise of a $100 million payday is his choice.

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I hardly watch golf outside of majors at this point , so there’s DEFINITELY no reason to watch the Saudi league at all with such a weak field! I couldn’t care less what happens each week most weeks, and if I have to go and search for where it’s broadcast, there’s absolutely zero chance I’m viewing. 

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Did y’all notice three in the field are amateurs? Desperate much? 🤣

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On 5/31/2022 at 8:34 PM, Mtbryant01 said:

They just announced who is going to be playing in the first event.

Notable names: DJ, Talor Gooch, Kevin Na, Louis, Poulter, Garcia and Westwood. See players list below.

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I really like Talor Gooch and it sucks to see him leave the PGA tour. Also, not a good look for DJ based off these comments...

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Your move PGA tour.

Id be curious what the OEM club makers are going to do with them all.
DJ being a Taylormade staffer for so long makes you wonder if they drop them too and they become free agents to the club market.

Be interesting to see how this plays out

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21 hours ago, LICC said:

I have read that the PGA Championship eligibility could be affected, because PGA Tour players are automatically members of the PGA. If a player is no longer a member of the PGA Tour, they could lose their PGA membership too, and thus not be eligible for the PGA Championship, absent a different exemption to play.

@DaveP043 - in case you were puzzled:

At the PGA Championship last month, PGA of America CEO Seth Waugh said, “We don’t think this is good for the game and we are supportive of [the current] ecosystem. We have our own bylaws that we will follow towards those fields.” Pressed on if the PGA’s bylaws preclude letting LIV golfers play, he said, “not specifically, but our bylaws do say that you have to be a recognized member of a recognized Tour in order to be a PGA member somewhere, and therefore eligible to play. If that becomes — if something else became one of those — obviously we’d have to recognize it.”

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9 minutes ago, LICC said:

@DaveP043 - in case you were puzzled:

At the PGA Championship last month, PGA of America CEO Seth Waugh said, “We don’t think this is good for the game and we are supportive of [the current] ecosystem. We have our own bylaws that we will follow towards those fields.” Pressed on if the PGA’s bylaws preclude letting LIV golfers play, he said, “not specifically, but our bylaws do say that you have to be a recognized member of a recognized Tour in order to be a PGA member somewhere, and therefore eligible to play. If that becomes — if something else became one of those — obviously we’d have to recognize it.”

So far none of the players have terminated their membership with the pga or dp world tour and the pga tour has only said that players will be suspended which indicates they still have membership they just aren’t eligible to play.

It may be mute come next pga championship because if the players are suspended from the pga tour they won’t earn world ranking points and will drop in rankings and thus fall out of qualification for the event based on that criteria. Won’t be an issue for some guys that have other exemptions but could be an issue for those who don’t have anything but world ranking points 

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45 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

So far none of the players have terminated their membership with the pga or dp world tour and the pga tour has only said that players will be suspended which indicates they still have membership they just aren’t eligible to play.

It may be mute come next pga championship because if the players are suspended from the pga tour they won’t earn world ranking points and will drop in rankings and thus fall out of qualification for the event based on that criteria. Won’t be an issue for some guys that have other exemptions but could be an issue for those who don’t have anything but world ranking points 

A grand game of chicken going on. 🍿

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11 minutes ago, Middler said:

A grand game of chicken going on. 🍿

Could be. I think most of the European players aren’t to worried about because they would still have active membership on the dp world tour so they can get points there, just not as many as most pga tour events and they could still maintain whatever chances of Ryder cup captaincy they have. 
 

DJ gives her nonchalant appearance about whether he plays in events or not. But again he has membership on dp world tour and can play there too. 
 

Im more curious about what other players decide to do event two.

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14 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

Could be. I think most of the European players aren’t to worried about because they would still have active membership on the dp world tour so they can get points there, just not as many as most pga tour events and they could still maintain whatever chances of Ryder cup captaincy they have. 
 

DJ gives her nonchalant appearance about whether he plays in events or not. But again he has membership on dp world tour and can play there too. 
 

Im more curious about what other players decide to do event two.

Both the PGA of America and DP World Tour have previously said players who join the rival league would not be allowed in the Ryder Cup. 

They would have to backtrack on their prior statements.

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1 hour ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

So far none of the players have terminated their membership with the pga or dp world tour and the pga tour has only said that players will be suspended which indicates they still have membership they just aren’t eligible to play.

It may be mute come next pga championship because if the players are suspended from the pga tour they won’t earn world ranking points and will drop in rankings and thus fall out of qualification for the event based on that criteria. Won’t be an issue for some guys that have other exemptions but could be an issue for those who don’t have anything but world ranking points 

Augusta National Chairman Fred Ridley, when speaking to the media at the Masters in April, gave somewhat of a non-answer about LIV defectors, but did say “our mission is always to act in the best interests of the game in whatever form that may take. I think that golf’s in a good place right now.”

At the PGA Championship last month, PGA of America CEO Seth Waugh said, “We don’t think this is good for the game and we are supportive of [the current] ecosystem. We have our own bylaws that we will follow towards those fields.” Pressed on if the PGA’s bylaws preclude letting LIV golfers play, he said, “not specifically, but our bylaws do say that you have to be a recognized member of a recognized Tour in order to be a PGA member somewhere, and therefore eligible to play. If that becomes — if something else became one of those — obviously we’d have to recognize it.”

As for the U.S. Open, in a statement to the Golf Channel last week, a USGA official said: “We pride ourselves in being the most open championship in the world, with roughly half our field securing their position via local/regional qualifiers, however we reserve the right, as we always have, to review any competitor’s situation on a case-by-case basis.”

A spokesperson for the R&A, which runs the Open Championship, told GOLF.com on Wednesday that “we haven’t commented on it and don’t plan to as it stands.”

In December, though, the R&A said it would be dropping its Open Championship exemption given to the winner of the Asian Tour’s Order of Merit. That came just months after LIV Golf Investments, backed by Saudi money, announced it committed hundreds of millions of dollars to the Asian Tour.

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6 hours ago, LICC said:

Some people don't care or don't want to bother to think it through, but many others rightly take a negative view of those supporting one of the most brutal, horrific, abusive dictatorships in the world. It's perfectly understandable for DJ to lose his sponsors and damage his reputation over this, but the promise of a $100 million payday is his choice.

On the political human rights end I do care. I hate it for innocent folks. All I can do is pray for them. 

What I was talking about was that as far as the players go I could care less who wants to play there and who does not--- Like you said it is their choice and has no bearing on me but I will not watch any of their events

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Know very little about LIV, but I like the idea of shotgun starts for the entire field.  Will probably check it out a little to get more informed on it. 

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I absolutely love that DJ is challenging the PGA's ban on competing in LIV. I find PGA's efforts to sabotage LIV offensive and disgusting. The irony here is I didn't care about LIV until the PGA started up their attack machine; now I do. Streisand effect!!

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5 minutes ago, Dog Faced Pony Soldier said:

I absolutely love that DJ is challenging the PGA's ban on competing in LIV. I find PGA's efforts to sabotage LIV offensive and disgusting. The irony here is I didn't care about LIV until the PGA started up their attack machine; now I do. Streisand effect!!

LIV is trying to take players away from the PGA Tour. What is "offensive and disgusting" about protecting your business? What if the Saudi's decided to start a new football league and tried to convince Pat Mahomes, Josh Allen, Derrick Henry to go play in its league, and the NFL said (as it would) that they couldn't or else they would be suspended? Would that be offensive and disgusting?

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44 minutes ago, LICC said:

LIV is trying to take players away from the PGA Tour. What is "offensive and disgusting" about protecting your business? What if the Saudi's decided to start a new football league and tried to convince Pat Mahomes, Josh Allen, Derrick Henry to go play in its league, and the NFL said (as it would) that they couldn't or else they would be suspended? Would that be offensive and disgusting?

The PGA's behavior is indeed offensive and disgusting to me. Hard to say how I'd feel about a theoretical situation. As I said earlier; the PGA is actually bringing attention to LIV. If the PGA was more confident in their product, they would have simply ignored LIV and let them fail quietly. Their attacks on others are really a sign of their own insecurity. 

Looking forward to checking out LIV at Trump Bedminster NJ instead of the NY-Metro PGA event this year... OH WAIT! There isn't a PGA Tour event in the NY-Metro proper this season. 

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9 minutes ago, Dog Faced Pony Soldier said:

The PGA's behavior is indeed offensive and disgusting to me. Hard to say how I'd feel about a theoretical situation. As I said earlier; the PGA is actually bringing attention to LIV. If the PGA was more confident in their product, they would have simply ignored LIV and let them fail quietly. Their attacks on others are really a sign of their own insecurity. 

Looking forward to checking out LIV at Trump Bedminster NJ instead of the NY-Metro PGA event this year... OH WAIT! There isn't a PGA Tour event in the NY-Metro proper this season. 

Please explain what behavior exactly you find offensive and disgusting? Not giving approval to go play for a competing tour that is competitively attacking it and trying to take its players? How is the PGA Tour bringing attention to LIV? Mickelson and Norman and the golf media is bringing attention to LIV. By ignoring, you mean the PGA Tour should actively give approval for its members to go play for a competing tour? I would like to hear your reasoning behind all this because none of it makes sense to me.

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6 hours ago, LICC said:

Both the PGA of America and DP World Tour have previously said players who join the rival league would not be allowed in the Ryder Cup. 

They would have to backtrack on their prior statements.

I haven’t seen anything from the DP world tour about Ryder cup. What I’ve seen and granted it’s been awhile since I looked at anything from them on the subject is that players who join the league may be penalized and there was no statement on what that penalty would be. 

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1 hour ago, LICC said:

Please explain what behavior exactly you find offensive and disgusting? Not giving approval to go play for a competing tour that is competitively attacking it and trying to take its players?  because none of it makes sense to me.

This situation is in my mind a case of "double standards" criticism against the Saudi's for Murdering the Journalist but, no criticism against the white Americans who murdered the American Indians!!! Too long ago was it ??

I'm disgusted at both atrocities, and the bigger problem is the way that the World watches on while people in Ukraine are murdered. What has to happen for the World to say enough is enough and put a stop to Putin, but the topic is about a game of Golf and if you or anyone has a right to Tee it up where WE want without any one else objecting and I say WE should be able to do just that... end of my rant.

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