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Member Zoom Call with Phillip Bishop (October 20, 16:30 EST)


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Once again we have a great opportunity to talk and chat live on Zoom with Phillip and guest about some of the recent Most Wanted testing. The time will be updated shortly when confirmed, but we will host this Thursday October 20 16:30 EST. As well we are looking at later times so that it is more accessible for more members. 

For those of you who don't know Phillip here is a quick bio of his via the mygolfspy.com staff page. 
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In terms of what we will have on the agenda. We intend to focus mainly recent Wedge Test being both the wet and the dry tests linked here
https://mygolfspy.com/2022-most-wanted-wedge/

https://mygolfspy.com/2022-wet-wedge-test/

Of course we can sprinkle in some other topics which you as readers are interested in. The Zoom call will last roughly one hour and we will post it here for those who can make the call time. 

For now and over the next week lets get some questions in so we can hit the ground running when it is time and have a great time talking and discussing some pretty interesting and enlightening results that came from these two tests!

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The TaylorMade MG3 really lapped the field in the Most Wanted testing... a lot of that had to do with an extremely high accuracy score... Can you talk more about that portion of the testing, how it is measured and what make the MG3's stand out so far above the others?

 

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5 hours ago, EasyPutter said:

As a general question that applies to all wedges and possibly all clubs, from your life experience, what is a good focus to enable a predictable wedge-ball contact?  Our challenges are as different as they are similar when it comes to the physicality of golf so I'm interested in the mental aspect and what your thoughts are about what enables a good wedge swing from your perspective.

To expand on EP's question... I'm torn between swings with normal wrist hinge and a Steve Stricker wrist hinge.  Both work for me; with a half swing I hit the ball about the same with each.  Is one inherently better than the other?  Why?  I really need to stop practicing both techniques.

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Full-face grooves have become more popular recently.  I got the Callaway '19 PM Grind when they came out and TaylorMade followed with the Hi-Toe.  Cleveland has one now.  I haven't seen anything from Titleist.  Is this just a passing fad, or has testing shown any performance value?  

Personally, I like mine.  My course has a lot of grass mounds, so uphill, downhill, sidehill lies; and with ball below my feet I always hit the ball on the toe for short pitch shots and I still get decent results.

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I'm curious if one bounce/grind is used for the testing or if you can fit the tester based on their best in the lineup.  It would be interesting to see if someone like Titleist has an advantage on the fit side of things by being able to offer more options, or if your testing is all done with the middle of the road bounce/grind option of each OEMs lineup, so its more a level playing field.

 

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Was there any correlation to bounce and most wanted Ranking? Of course with indoor testing it is consistent and various bounces are better for different turf or conditions but wondering if that showed up at all. 

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Michael Breed said you should not play wedge shafts heavier than your iron shafts. What say the wedge testers? 
I have 50 grm Senior shafts in my irons yet my wedges have 124 grm shafts.

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12 minutes ago, fozcycle said:

Michael Breed said you should not play wedge shafts heavier than your iron shafts. What say the wedge testers? 
I have 50 grm Senior shafts in my irons yet my wedges have 124 grm shafts.

If you use your wedges for less than full shots, then heavier shafts will give you better feel around the greens.  If you make full shots, then you want the feel to be the same as your irons.  Personally, I think Michael Breed is referring to players with higher swing speeds than us dinosaurs.  😁

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53 minutes ago, fozcycle said:

Michael Breed said you should not play wedge shafts heavier than your iron shafts. What say the wedge testers? 
I have 50 grm Senior shafts in my irons yet my wedges have 124 grm shafts.

ill jump in even though I know this is intended for the question session since I have recent experience with this.  As on of the wedge testers, I can hit the wedges with the heavy steel shaft; which is what typically comes in each of the wedges.  Being able to hit them as part of a test comparing clubs with stock shafts isn’t the same as on course performance and what shaft might be best for each tester.   There isnt much fitting that can be performed with most wanted wedges. 
 

from personal experience, I play 85 gram irons shafts and as has been documented here struggled with my short game.  Based on a recommendation from @McGolf; after he saw my swing, I switched to 90 gram wedge shafts from the stock 120ish range.  My short game feel and performance immediately improved for full and partial swings.   The lighter shafts eliminated the need to essentially muscle the club which causes some tempo issues.   So yes I play heavier shafts in my wedges, but how much heavier is probably a better question.   I personally think your 70+ gram difference is too much   

 

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When it came to the wet condition testing, is there any theories on WHY the ping glide 4.0 actually increased spin and launched higher? I know that ping confirmed on the write up for wet testing but curious if there was any clues to why?

 

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Damn, I really wanted to be a part of this but I'll be in NYC on a staff ride with the Army War College.  Maybe I can get on late.

My question:  every wedge test I see Vokey's, clearly the leading wedge at retail, perform middle-of-the-road on wet wedge testing.  Does Titleist seem to just not care or recognize this as a performance factor, or do we expect to see improvements from them on this someday?  As a general marketing rule, I understand you never recognize a problem with a product until you also have a solution; it just seems to me Titleist is willing to lose to other OEMs on this issue and that seems decidedly un-Titleist like.

Maybe a poorly worded question but I think you can glean what I'm getting at.

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7 minutes ago, cnosil said:

ill jump in even though I know this is intended for the question session since I have recent experience with this.  As on of the wedge testers, I can hit the wedges with the heavy steel shaft; which is what typically comes in each of the wedges.  Being able to hit them as part of a test comparing clubs with stock shafts isn’t the same as on course performance and what shaft might be best for each tester.   There isnt much fitting that can be performed with most wanted wedges. 
 

from personal experience, I play 85 gram irons shafts and as has been documented here struggled with my short game.  Based on a recommendation from @McGolf; after he saw my swing, I switched to 90 gram wedge shafts from the stock 120ish range.  My short game feel and performance immediately improved for full and partial swings.   The lighter shafts eliminated the need to essentially muscle the club which causes some tempo issues.   So yes I play heavier shafts in my wedges, but how much heavier is probably a better question.   I personally thing your 70+ gram difference is too much   

 

Totally agree!  I should have added that my irons have Nippon Zelos 8 regular shafts at 84g while my Callaway wedges have KBS Tour 90 regular shafts at 95g.

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We have a time! Hopefully it will work a little better for everyone (Thursday October 20) 16:30 EST!

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As a general question that applies to all wedges and possibly all clubs, from your life experience, what is a good focus to enable a predictable wedge-ball contact?  Our challenges are as different as they are similar when it comes to the physicality of golf so I'm interested in the mental aspect and what your thoughts are about what enables a good wedge swing from your perspective.

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On 10/17/2022 at 8:28 AM, fozcycle said:

Michael Breed said you should not play wedge shafts heavier than your iron shafts. What say the wedge testers? 
I have 50 grm Senior shafts in my irons yet my wedges have 124 grm shafts.

I thought it was the opposite. Play wedge shafts that were a little heavier than your iron shafts, but a softer flex (Tiger X100 in irons, S400 in wedges for example). I know a lot of fitters like to keep a consistent feel with wedges having the same shaft as the irons. As long as you find what works for you! I feel like going from 50g graphite to 124g steel isn't doing you a whole lot of favors.

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On 10/18/2022 at 10:24 PM, Rtracymog said:

I thought it was the opposite. Play wedge shafts that were a little heavier than your iron shafts, but a softer flex (Tiger X100 in irons, S400 in wedges for example). I know a lot of fitters like to keep a consistent feel with wedges having the same shaft as the irons. As long as you find what works for you! I feel like going from 50g graphite to 124g steel isn't doing you a whole lot of favors.

Nope, he said they should be the same…..prob is, I can’t  find new wedges with Senior shafts for under $200 a pop.

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Hybrid: None in bag at the moment

IronsTitleist T300 5-PW w/Fubuki MV Senior graphite shafts w/Golf Pride Tour

Wedges: Titleist T300 48* GW w/Fubuki MV Senior shaft and SCOR 4161 54*/57* wedges V sole & Genius 10 shafts…Cleveland RTX Zipcore (54*/58*) w/DG Spinner wedge shafts on back burner for now.

Putter: 33”   Evnroll ER2 w/Evnroll Gravity Grip 

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On 10/17/2022 at 8:45 AM, Kenny B said:

If you use your wedges for less than full shots, then heavier shafts will give you better feel around the greens.  If you make full shots, then you want the feel to be the same as your irons.  Personally, I think Michael Breed is referring to players with higher swing speeds than us dinosaurs.  😁

Thanks KB, I use my 54* for half 3/4 & full shots with yardages from 5 - 85 yards. I use my 58* wedge for 60-70 yards at full shots and for bunkers.

I feel the heavier shafts but have gamed them enough so that it doesn’t really bother me.  Lately I received the T300 GW(48*) to replace my 50* Zipcore.  The T300 is 2* stronger and has a Senior shaft at 50 grams.  Taking some time to dial it in.

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On 10/17/2022 at 9:08 AM, cnosil said:

ill jump in even though I know this is intended for the question session since I have recent experience with this.  As on of the wedge testers, I can hit the wedges with the heavy steel shaft; which is what typically comes in each of the wedges.  Being able to hit them as part of a test comparing clubs with stock shafts isn’t the same as on course performance and what shaft might be best for each tester.   There isnt much fitting that can be performed with most wanted wedges. 
 

from personal experience, I play 85 gram irons shafts and as has been documented here struggled with my short game.  Based on a recommendation from @McGolf; after he saw my swing, I switched to 90 gram wedge shafts from the stock 120ish range.  My short game feel and performance immediately improved for full and partial swings.   The lighter shafts eliminated the need to essentially muscle the club which causes some tempo issues.   So yes I play heavier shafts in my wedges, but how much heavier is probably a better question.   I personally think your 70+ gram difference is too much   

 

Guess I’ll go back to my Hogan wedges which have 64 gram Recoil shafts versus the 124 gram Cleveland Zipcore shafts.

Hogan Tk15’s are 49/53/57 whereas the Zipcores are 50/54/58. My new Titleist T300 GW with senior shaft 50 grams is 48*. Guess I’ll put the Hogan 53/57 in my bag and see how it goes.

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Fairways:  image.png.80321f01fc46450b6f428c7daf7b3471.png0211 5W & 7W w/ Evenflo Riptide CB  regular shaft and Tour Edge E521 9W w/Fubuki HD50 regular shaft

Hybrid: None in bag at the moment

IronsTitleist T300 5-PW w/Fubuki MV Senior graphite shafts w/Golf Pride Tour

Wedges: Titleist T300 48* GW w/Fubuki MV Senior shaft and SCOR 4161 54*/57* wedges V sole & Genius 10 shafts…Cleveland RTX Zipcore (54*/58*) w/DG Spinner wedge shafts on back burner for now.

Putter: 33”   Evnroll ER2 w/Evnroll Gravity Grip 

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