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I'll get right down to it, folks.  I'm a lazy, lazy man.  I have a long history of getting into something to an extreme level for a brief amount of time, then burning out and moving on to something else.  There are a few exceptions over the years; reading (as a child), trading cards (for about seven years before a few bad ebay experiences soured me), lifting weights (for the past five years), and now golf (since last year).  I've been on overtime at work since COVID began so I've struggled to get time to both lift and golf.  We've finally hit the end of OT (hopefully) so I'm hoping to get more lifting in while also getting some indoor practice in this winter.  Long story short, I've started this thread as a way to keep myself both motivated and accountable.

Feel free to chime in with tips, critiques, or your own questions, experiences, etc!

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A couple things regarding the clip I just uploaded.

First...woof!  Why didnt anyone tell me I look that bad?

Second: My swing doesn't look that good either. 

Third:  So this is my new garage setup, and first time trying to film myself.  Both are still very much a work in progress.  Looking at this, it looks like I'm curtailing my swing a bit because I'm subconsciously worried about the garage door opener thats just my side of the overhead beam and just out of scene. 

Beyond the swing, is the camera setup okay for filming purposes?

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First off, I love the indoor set-up you have there. Looks great @JerryB!

Secondly, I think the camera angle looks good.

Lastly, I dig the Sheldon poster.

It's always kind of humbling to see one's own seeing on camera so I give you props for putting it up for us to see. I'm looking forward to seeing how you progress in your quest to become a better golfer. 

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Good luck with your improvement.   Looks like you have a great indoor setup; wish I had a spot like that to take full swings at my house.

  

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Lot cleaner garage than mine!!  Swing is not horrible; seen a LOT worse.  You've got things to work on, but I think you should see a teaching pro first.  A good pro will not give you many things to work on, but they will focus on one primary issue... usually setup first.  If you aren't doing that correctly, everything else during the swing is compensating for the setup issue.  

Your Down-the-Line (DTL) camera view is OK; you will need to figure out how to get a Face-On (FO) view; space looks limited.  Good luck on your journey!!

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It's mostly my wife's work.  I couldn't be more thrilled about it!

The best part is her pulling me into the garage today to show me that she's been secretly practicing!!  

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14 hours ago, JerryB said:

 Looking at this, it looks like I'm curtailing my swing a bit because I'm subconsciously worried about the garage door opener thats just my side of the overhead beam and just out of scene. 

Beyond the swing, is the camera setup okay for filming purposes?

Camera is sufficient for a decent look but need a front view look too.   

The curtailment could be, and quite often is, caused by getting the clubhead in front of the hands too early on the return swing which will, as a byproduct, inhibit the trail arm from fully extending and finishing higher versus wrapping around you instead, the clubhead needs to be last in the queue, not first.     Regardless, moving the ball a foot or so closer to the wall in front of you might put the door opener out of play no matter how you swing?

 What surface you using plywood and carpet over concrete?

9 hours ago, JerryB said:

The best part is her pulling me into the garage today to show me that she's been secretly practicing!!  

Nice!

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9 hours ago, JerryB said:

It's mostly my wife's work.  I couldn't be more thrilled about it!

The best part is her pulling me into the garage today to show me that she's been secretly practicing!!  

Do I see a round in the future with you, Owen and Mrs JerryB?  😃

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I think you are on the right path.  The fact that you have this set up will be motivation as well as the fact that you put this on line and we will all be curious to see your progression.  You will be reminded every time you go into the garage.  A few minutes each day is all you will need for improvement over the winter.  Great job.

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Forgot to add.  Good on your wife for making this easy on you.  My wife plays as well and that makes golf more enjoyable as she gets it when I play a lot.

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41 minutes ago, Kenny B said:

Do I see a round in the future with you, Owen and Mrs JerryB?  😃

Last year Owen and I were paired up with an older couple one time.  They're retired and mostly travel centered on golf destinations.  It was very obvious that she wasn't too good, but they told us that he golfed all his life and she only took it up once she retired.  She really likes being outside and they absolutely adore each other.  He was pretty good and really hard on himself but was incredibly supportive and encouraging of her play.  I'm hoping Kathy decides to stick it out, too.  She and Owen and our daughters really are my best friends.

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3 hours ago, MacTourney said:

Camera is sufficient for a decent look but need a front view look too.   

The curtailment could be, and quite often is, caused by getting the clubhead in front of the hands too early on the return swing which will, as a byproduct, inhibit the trail arm from fully extending and finishing higher versus wrapping around you instead, the clubhead needs to be last in the queue, not first.     Regardless, moving the ball a foot or so closer to the wall in front of you might put the door opener out of play no matter how you swing?

 What surface you using plywood and carpet over concrete?

Nice!

Right at the moment it's just carpet on concrete, which is why we don't hit our gamer clubs.  Plywood is a good idea; hadn't thought of that.  Keeping an eye out for some interlocking exercise mats or even the smaller interlocking toddler letter ones.  

The current spot is is the easiest place to be.  I don't have to move much of anything to use it.  If I move it towards the garage door, the door rails are in play.  If hit towards the camera, there's a window there and that's not something I want to chance.  The opener is really in the way, I've taken some exaggerated swings to check, but I think it's just in my head.  In a similar vein, I used to top everything because I was "afraid" of taking divots; seemed impolite to mess up the grass.

Going to mess around later and see what I can do about a front on view.

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13 hours ago, Kenny B said:

Lot cleaner garage than mine!!  Swing is not horrible; seen a LOT worse.  You've got things to work on, but I think you should see a teaching pro first.  A good pro will not give you many things to work on, but they will focus on one primary issue... usually setup first.  If you aren't doing that correctly, everything else during the swing is compensating for the setup issue.  

Your Down-the-Line (DTL) camera view is OK; you will need to figure out how to get a Face-On (FO) view; space looks limited.  Good luck on your journey!!

People on here have mentioned using Skillest and I'm debating about going that route.  My original plan for this thread was to get some feedback on the camera settings.  I think I'd still prefer in person coaching, though.  Not sure yet.

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54 minutes ago, Caddie1966 said:

I think you are on the right path.  The fact that you have this set up will be motivation as well as the fact that you put this on line and we will all be curious to see your progression.  You will be reminded every time you go into the garage.  A few minutes each day is all you will need for improvement over the winter.  Great job.

That's what I'm hoping.  It was set up in the basement but was sometimes a little too "out of sight, out of mind." I go through the garage all the time so the plan is to leave a club and a couple balls out.

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1 hour ago, Kenny B said:

Do I see a round in the future with you, Owen and Mrs JerryB?  😃

Also to note...I love about five minutes away from Sub70 headquarters.  If anyone ever happens to be in the neighborhood, hit me/us up!  I'm not too talkative in person but I am encouraging!

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Your thread title makes me start singing Beatles... so thank you for that 🙂 I am most definitely jealous of your clean garage.  I had to move my "home range" to the carport area, and even then... it is a challenge sometimes.. haha.  

Just be careful with that carpet on concrete... that could cause some pretty significant jarring and I know my joints would be screaming if I did any extensive swinging with the hard impact at the bottom.  

Agree with the comments above.  Down the line is a good camera view... also one face on would give you some good feedback - and if your camera will allow... recording in slo-mo can help you really see positions throughout the swing from both angles.  

Looking forward to more vids!!

 

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18 minutes ago, JerryB said:

Right at the moment it's just carpet on concrete, which is why we don't hit our gamer clubs.  Plywood is a good idea; hadn't thought of that.  Keeping an eye out for some interlocking exercise mats or even the smaller interlocking toddler letter ones.  

Wasn't recommending just curious because I couldn't see too well what you were using.  Probably a good golf mat would be the best overall option but I don't know anything about exercise interlock mats so that sounds like it might be doable too, so you're on the right road.  I've been out of the loop for a while so had to look up Sub70, I thought it might be a new sandwich shoppe.    Cheers.

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1 hour ago, JerryB said:

Right at the moment it's just carpet on concrete, which is why we don't hit our gamer clubs.  Plywood is a good idea; hadn't thought of that.  Keeping an eye out for some interlocking exercise mats or even the smaller interlocking toddler letter ones.  

The current spot is is the easiest place to be.  I don't have to move much of anything to use it.  If I move it towards the garage door, the door rails are in play.  If hit towards the camera, there's a window there and that's not something I want to chance.  The opener is really in the way, I've taken some exaggerated swings to check, but I think it's just in my head.  In a similar vein, I used to top everything because I was "afraid" of taking divots; seemed impolite to mess up the grass.

Going to mess around later and see what I can do about a front on view.

I don't recommend hitting off carpet on concrete, as others have said; it's a recipe for sore wrists and elbows.  I used the foam gym tiles at Home Depot ($20 for 6 interlocking 24"x24") with a good hitting mat on top.  With a decent mat you get better feedback on your strike and your joints will appreciate it!  It might make the difference between using it all winter and skipping practice.\

Another comment about the net... I started with just a net similar to yours.  It was a golf-specific net that was supposed to be good enough for 200mph ball speed, so fine for my slow swing, right?  Wrong!  After a few months I put a ball through the net with a wedge.  Hitting high-lofted clubs apparently tears up the net faster because of the spin.  I was using brand new balls, so it wasn't because the balls were used and dirty; used balls tear up a net (use new balls!).  I solved that issue by putting up a Spornia target sheet (black or white) for $40 attached in front of the net.  No issues and it's lasted for 18 months.  Don't want any balls going through the net into the sheetrock!!  I see that you have already patched holes in the wall... aim better!!   🤣🤣🤣

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7 minutes ago, Kenny B said:

I don't recommend hitting off carpet on concrete, as others have said; it's a recipe for sore wrists and elbows.  I used the foam gym tiles at Home Depot ($20 for 6 interlocking 24"x24") with a good hitting mat on top.  With a decent mat you get better feedback on your strike and your joints will appreciate it!  It might make the difference between using it all winter and skipping practice.\

Another comment about the net... I started with just a net similar to yours.  It was a golf-specific net that was supposed to be good enough for 200mph ball speed, so fine for my slow swing, right?  Wrong!  After a few months I put a ball through the net with a wedge.  Hitting high-lofted clubs apparently tears up the net faster because of the spin.  I was using brand new balls, so it wasn't because the balls were used and dirty; used balls tear up a net (use new balls!).  I solved that issue by putting up a Spornia target sheet (black or white) for $40 attached in front of the net.  No issues and it's lasted for 18 months.  Don't want any balls going through the net into the sheetrock!!  I see that you have already patched holes in the wall... aim better!!   🤣🤣🤣

Had a similar issue with a golf hitting net I ordered.  I doubled it over on itself (I ordered it wide to cover the space of my carport, and it hasn't failed again.  I do have a dent in my garage door from the unexpected failure though  haha.  

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18 hours ago, JerryB said:

Couple things standout right off the bat in setup. Your balance points are off. One your butt is too far back. Your hip joint, knees and balls of the feet should all be stacked over each other, second you are super crowded. Will need to see a face on view to see grip and arm position before commenting on any of those.

As for the swing as suspected in the other thread you collapse your arms at the top. Now that could be a byproduct of being an all arms swing with no hip and body rotation which causes all the arm lift. I’m pretty sure the arm lift and lack of rotation is due to the thought you mentioned about the sandbag on the shoulder to be in the position of Tiger that you posted.

You start with an arm and wrist movement when what should happen is core rotation and little to no wrist hinge for the first 18”. Because of this your club is off plane and you will have to find some compensation to get the club to the ball and the ability to to repeat those will be hard.

Being in the position Tiger gets in probably isn’t best for your swing and isn’t required to play good golf nor is a 90° turn of the shoulders. You should look at Kenny Perry, Fuzzy Zoeller, Darren Clarke as some examples of swings for similar body types.

I would watch videos from amg for perfect setup, grip, perfect takeaway and backswing if you plan to go the improvement route by yourself. Another option is to buy Monte scheinblums efficient swing and no turn cast. Both videos are cheap and go over the basics of the swing 

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Went to the course today planning to continue some Titleist white box testing.  Game wasn't great and fallen leaves made things bad.  I took a sleeve of each and finished nine with one remaining ball.  Three were water balls and two were lost to the leaf monsters.  The biggest problem is that I can barely keep track of one ball, let alone two.  Mind of a goldfish.

On the plus side, I stopped off at Goodwill (because I have a problem) and found some cool stuff:

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Save your joints! (A little 70's humor there!)

I got a piece of plywood, then sprayed it with headliner adhesive. Then placed the foam interlocking pieces on the plywood. Sprayed the headliner adhesive again and covered with green outdoor carpet. Smooth it out tuck it under and stapled it to the underside of the plywood. I have used it with my simulator for the past 5 years and it still is holding up. 

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1 hour ago, Tom the Golf Nut said:

Save your joints! (A little 70's humor there!)

I got a piece of plywood, then sprayed it with headliner adhesive. Then placed the foam interlocking pieces on the plywood. Sprayed the headliner adhesive again and covered with green outdoor carpet. Smooth it out tuck it under and stapled it to the underside of the plywood. I have used it with my simulator for the past 5 years and it still is holding up. 

I got all this from Lowes in stock.  

 

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I hate to be blunt but no bogarts, hand it over, I like this.  

Once the locking pieces were dried to the plywood and you then put adhesive on the top side of the locking pieces could you have then turned the entire assembly upside down and lay the assembly on the carpet backing, which was also turned upside down so the carpet backing faced the ceiling, then stretch and staple from there?   Might try making a small version.     

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Hit the gym today.  It's beautiful out and I would rather get back on the course but I've started going back to the gym and don't want to mess with that.  This will be the last week I do "whatever" to ramp up before I start back on a program next week.

Deadlift first.  I ate after golf today so I felt a little bloated.  Worked up to 415 for a single.  Tried it again and (TMI) kinda vurped (not a typo), so I did some triples at 365.  Followed up with some pull downs, rows, and face pulls before a little rotation work and called it a day.  Feel a little twinge on my left lower back.  Something to keep an eye on.

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3 hours ago, MacTourney said:

I hate to be blunt but no bogarts, hand it over, I like this.  

Once the locking pieces were dried to the plywood and you then put adhesive on the top side of the locking pieces could you have then turned the entire assembly upside down and lay the assembly on the carpet backing, which was also turned upside down so the carpet backing faced the ceiling, then stretch and staple from there?   Might try making a small version.     

That's pretty much how I did it. But then pulled the sides around and stapled to the bottom. I had to make a frame for mine then put the plywood because I wanted to insert the Optishot2  into it.IMG_1901.jpg.c7225ad8d316591ab8e564e942ff62bb.jpg

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10 hours ago, Tom the Golf Nut said:

That's pretty much how I did it. But then pulled the sides around and stapled to the bottom. I had to make a frame for mine then put the plywood because I wanted to insert the Optishot2  into it.IMG_1901.jpg.c7225ad8d316591ab8e564e942ff62bb.jpg

I particularly like the peripheral view of another fairway to the right. 🙂  Nice setup Tom!

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54 minutes ago, Golfspy_TCB said:

I particularly like the peripheral view of another fairway to the right. 🙂  Nice setup Tom!

The fairway to the right was supposed to be a photography backdrop floor to ceiling that you could stand on and in front of for the illusion of being on a course. A little bit of false advertising on the size.  But I tried to make it work!

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40 minutes ago, Tom the Golf Nut said:

The fairway to the right was supposed to be a photography backdrop floor to ceiling that you could stand on and in front of for the illusion of being on a course. A little bit of false advertising on the size.  But I tried to make it work!

The visual works!   

So do you also hit off the "made mat" portion, or just the optishot?  Pretty impressed how it is holding up if you are hitting off it.  I used some 2" interlocking squares under my birdieball putting mat - with the intent of cutting the holes deeper... Haven't done that yet, but it gives it a more realistic feel when standing on it, opposed to on the hard floor.  Those foam squares are great!

I have a couple of 5x5 mats in my hitting area (country club elite and another one I don't recall the name of), but I like the idea of making a 4x8 area with a sheet of plywood and the foam underlay if it will hold up.

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