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I always wondered why PGA caddies don't use a push cart? Is it a rule, tradition or something?

 

Probably because the only people who would vote in favor of this are the caddies themselves :lol:. Unfortunately for them, the sponsor likes having their logos unobstructed by a push cart.

 

As for using a staff bag, I just think they're impractical and mainly for rich people who keep their clubs in the clubhouse lockers and never really carry their own bag.

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Probably because the only people who would vote in favor of this are the caddies themselves :lol:. Unfortunately for them, the sponsor likes having their logos unobstructed by a push cart.

 

As for using a staff bag, I just think they're impractical and mainly for rich people who keep their clubs in the clubhouse lockers and never really carry their own bag.

 

There are other ways to make your sponsor logo stand out. The side that is covered by the push cart usually doesn't show anyways.

What about having a flag on the push cart with a huge logo?

Making the caddies' jobs easier could also improve their help (less fatigue, more concentration, etc)

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I would never use one just because its too big. I'm a walker/pusher and there's no way I'm gonna haul a tank like that around! Other than that if I had one and was riding or had a caddy, sure, why not?

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There are other ways to make your sponsor logo stand out. The side that is covered by the push cart usually doesn't show anyways.

What about having a flag on the push cart with a huge logo?

Making the caddies' jobs easier could also improve their help (less fatigue, more concentration, etc)

 

 

Seriously, Tiger's Caddie made $66,000 last year and so far this year he has made $177,900 if he just makes 10%. Plus he probably makes endorsments. So what if he has to carry a freaking golf bag for 4 to 6 hours a day 4 days a week. He gets paid more money, and carries less weight, and with no one is shooting at him, which is more than you can say for any private in any army in the world. Fred Couples lets his girlfriend carry his bag for goodness sake. If it gets too heavy then they can go get a real job and carry out groceries or something.Mark Calcavecchia's wife caddies for him. I have difficulty working up much impathy for pro caddies. At one time Steve Williams was the second highest paid Golf Professionals.

 

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No way you invented it, lol. I've been using PVC for a while in staff bags too. And I tried the tubes, problem is the larger grips I use (Iomic Large, Super Stroke Ultra Slips, Scotty Pistolero, etc) tend to not want to fit very well into those tubes, so I use 1.5" ID PVC. Gives me wiggle room and a putter well. I cut it where it's even with the fabric for the umbrella holder so you can't even see the PVC.

 

I hate not having a putter well, one reason I don't like this TMX stand bag. That's my only problem with it honestly.

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Seriously, Tiger's Caddie made $66,000 last year and so far this year he has made $177,900 if he just makes 10%. Plus he probably makes endorsments. So what if he has to carry a freaking golf bag for 4 to 6 hours a day 4 days a week. He gets paid more money, and carries less weight, and with no one is shooting at him, which is more than you can say for any private in any army in the world. Fred Couples lets his girlfriend carry his bag for goodness sake. If it gets too heavy then they can go get a real job and carry out groceries or something.Mark Calcavecchia's wife caddies for him. I have difficulty working up much impathy for pro caddies. At one time Steve Williams was the second highest paid Golf Professionals.

 

You are basically saying their job shouldn't be easier because they are paid well enough?

Yes, carrying it 6 hours per day, 4 days per week is not a hard job. But assuming the performance does not decrease, why not make it easier? Less fatigue carrying and fumbling with the bag could mean more energy to focus on the next million dollar putt/shot.

 

With your argument, we wouldn't need many of the automated equipment we use on a daily basis, since the traditional way gets the job done too (just like the caddy!)

 

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It was just a question out of curiousity to the why it is the way it is. Some say it's because of the sponsors, others say it's faster since you can just carry the bag over the green, some say it's to maintain the tradition, etc.

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First I am not agreeing that a push cart is easier than carrying it. I would rather carry than push a cart. Second I am saying that is their job. They get paid very well to lug that bag around. There are other parts to the job also but carrying the bag was how there jod started. Third I am saying that carrying the bag is not really all that difficult. They only carry it 300 yards before they set it down. It weighs 45 lbs. The rucksacks we carried were between 100-120 lbs and we did not set it down every 300 or less yards. Ok bubba watsons caddy has to carry it longer.

 

I know this sounds like"in my day we had to walk to school 20 miles up hill both ways in the snow ....". But this is their job. I am saying for the amount they get paid they can carry the bag.

 

However, as far as making it easier, they could all ride in carts that would make it easier. But once again I find myself not too worked up over it one way or the other. But for what they get paid to do it I think I would be happy to do it.

 

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You're kinda losing me on this Rick. Is it REQUIRED that caddies carry clubs? I don't see why it would be but suspect that it probably is as I've never seen a caddy do anything else. I understand the requirement that a golfer walk, but what difference does it make how a caddy gets himself around the course much less how he gets the clubs around? Is there a rule regarding it?

 

As to whether pushing or carrying is easier, I would guess that carrying expends much more caloric energy than pushing as the weight of the clubs is borne by the body. If that is the case then by definition carrying is more work. Its a big part of the reason for the invention of the wheel. Now it may be that you find the carrying kind of work less tiresome than the pushing kind of work, or it could be that you just aren't used to it, or it could be that you're a little bit stubborn. For me, carrying the clubs would really limit the amount of golf I can play as that extra weight on my back over time just wreaks havoc on my lower back whereas I can push my clubs with no lower back issues at all. Could I get through 4 rounds caddying for a pro for a cut of the purse? You betcha, and if the pay were good enough, I wouldn't complain either, but I'd be wondering why I couldn't get a ClicGear sponsorship and push the clubs around!

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You are basically saying their job shouldn't be easier because they are paid well enough?

Yes, carrying it 6 hours per day, 4 days per week is not a hard job. But assuming the performance does not decrease, why not make it easier? Less fatigue carrying and fumbling with the bag could mean more energy to focus on the next million dollar putt/shot.

 

With your argument, we wouldn't need many of the automated equipment we use on a daily basis, since the traditional way gets the job done too (just like the caddy!)

 

Why do we need ergonomic chairs at the office? We can just sit on wooden stools.

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It was just a question out of curiousity to the why it is the way it is. Some say it's because of the sponsors, others say it's faster since you can just carry the bag over the green, some say it's to maintain the tradition, etc.

 

I'll go a step beyond and suggest that in the modern era of golf, caddies are totally unnecessary. Seriously, why is this even a job?

 

I'm guessing 95+% of the courses where PGA events are held offer riding carts every other day of the season. A substantial percentage of those (certainly the resort courses) not only offer, but require carts. Lose the caddies, strap the bags to the carts and let the pros drive. Let's add another dimension to the game. How about the pros become 100% responsible for knowing their own yardages and reading their own putts?

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I'll go a step beyond and suggest that in the modern era of golf, caddies are totally unnecessary. Seriously, why is this even a job?

 

I'm guessing 95+% of the courses where PGA events are held offer riding carts every other day of the season. A substantial percentage of those (certainly the resort courses) not only offer, but require carts. Lose the caddies, strap the bags to the carts and let the pros drive. Let's add another dimension to the game. How about the pros become 100% responsible for knowing their own yardages and reading their own putts?

 

What, and have to think about the game like we do? Why not also have the player research his clubs and figure out which are best for him by trial and error as well? :D

 

The caddy's main job is to be a field coach for the player, give them a second read on the greens, keep him in the right mental state, calculate yardages based on wind, moisture, and grass, and occasionally step beyond his bounds and put his foot in his mouth to give the public something to talk about. It's kind of like taking the coaches out of baseball when they're playing a game.

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Tyk got my point.

Player's should only be concerned about having their clubs available when needed and the advice caddies provide for yardage, greens, etc.

 

Does it matter how the caddy transports the bag?

Does it matter if he's reading the yardage from an old college block or the newest iPad?

Does it matter if he uses his feet, hands, eyes to read the slope?

 

I don't think so.

 

The reason they don't ride carts is because the players do not want to. They don't like the rush and quickness of riding a cart. Walking the fairways gives them a feel for the course and allows them to settle their tempo.

 

I think caddies are still necessary. Having someone handing over the clubs and course information is much faster than doing it yourself and allows you to focus 100% on playing golf.

 

Again, the caddy is being paid for transporting the equipment and providing his know-how. As to which method he uses, I don't think it influences the quality of service provided.

 

This has nothing to do with how many yards they have to carry it, how much a bag weighs, how difficult it is, etc.

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The reason they don't ride carts is because the players do not want to. They don't like the rush and quickness of riding a cart. Walking the fairways gives them a feel for the course and allows them to settle their tempo.

 

 

Drive slow....or sure...let's go with the push cart option. Or maybe these jackwagons with their bags that are 4x the size they need to be could just carry them themselves.

 

 

I think caddies are still necessary. Having someone handing over the clubs and course information is much faster than doing it yourself and allows you to focus 100% on playing golf.

 

Again, the caddy is being paid for transporting the equipment and providing his know-how. As to which method he uses, I don't think it influences the quality of service provided.

 

 

 

Knowing the course, yardages, and which club to play, whether to draw or fade, go high, or go low, flop it or run it...these are all part of the game. These are decisions we all make on our own. No reason why the best in the world needs have help the rest of us don't.

 

My point is eliminating the caddie (and I don't actually see this ever happening), adds a new dimension to the game. Being able to look at a flag and know the distance (adjusted for slope, etc.) is a skill, and one I think should be 100% the responsibility of the players.

 

 

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Is there a rule about caddies having to carry?

 

I'd like them to ban caddies from the green! Its a putt, if you can't figure speed and direction, then you can't putt. On the LPGA pretty much all of those girls have their caddies right behind them lining them up and aiming for them! You don't see that alot on the PGA Tour yet, but it wouldn't surprise me.

 

I don't mind a caddy for handing and cleaning clubs, wiping balls, giving yardage and even talking club selection and shot strategy on the course, but it does bug me on the greens where really a big part of whether or not a person is a good putter is dependent on how well they read greens. Hell, I can bring it straight back and straight through, if I had someone tell me the read every time my putting and scoring would improve noticeably.

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Yup, to that extent I agree with you guys.

But it's very hard to draw a line to what almost counts as "easy mode" and it probably won't change either.

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My point about carrying vs pushing is that when I did walk and golf I prefered to carry the clubs which did not hurt my back to pushing the cart, which did hurt my back. I do not know why, I just know that it did. Also, when you carry you can go in a straight line to the ball. With a push cart you have to pick your path.

 

My second point is, these people have a great job. They get paid well, and do nothing, absolutely nothing that the average golfer can not do if they were caddying for a person they new well. Maybe not average golfer but the lower handicap golfer could not do.

 

Third, I have no problem with them riding carts, using gps, and playing just like the weekend golfer. There have been many times I wanted a second opinion on a putt, but could not ask and even if I did I would not expect a truthful answer. This is a huge advantage. But I say give the players a cart, a wet towel, and a bottle of sand, let them clean there own clubs, refill their own divots, and wipe there own balls.

 

I am not sure it would speed up pace of play because anyone who has ever been to a PGA Tournament knows how freaking long these guy take around the green. For that reason alone kills the argument that they want to walk because they do not want to be rushed. All day long yesterday I had plenty of time, more than plenty, of time to think about my shot, and text my wife, and read what was happening on this site. It took 5:45 to play 18 holes, I typically play 27 holes and have lunch in 5 1/2 hours.

 

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I have a buddy who not only has a TM Staff bag, he's got his name stitched on it..He also plays an 8* driver..And he's a 29 hdcp..Yep..The bag I can live with cuz, hey, it's his bag & he loves it..It's the 8* driver that get's me..He says the pro "fit" him w/it & so the pro "knew what he was doing"..I play a 10.5* & he won't even hit mine..I'd love to talk to this pro and ask him what the hell he was thinking

 

Totally off topic but what he was thinking is that your buddy hits waaaay down on the driver creating a lot of spin and thus creating spin loft. Getting lower loft on the driver reduces the initial spin and LA which when added to the spin the player puts on it makes it a more reasonable number. I know when I was first fit I had a negative attack angle of 4 degrees with the driver so the fitter stuck me in a 7.5 head with a super stiff tipped shaft. Then I started fixing my swing and moved back to a more reasonable loft.

 

For example someone who swings at say 100mph with a negative 5 attack angle has a standard launch angle of probably 8ish degrees. But they're also likely to be putting upwards of 4000rpm of spin on the ball which creates a spin loft launch of 16 degrees. Drop the loft on the driver 2 degrees with a stiff tip shaft and you could cut say 500 to 800RPM off that and get them into a more reasonable 13/14 launch once spin is factored in.

 

 

I'll go a step beyond and suggest that in the modern era of golf, caddies are totally unnecessary. Seriously, why is this even a job?

 

I'm guessing 95+% of the courses where PGA events are held offer riding carts every other day of the season. A substantial percentage of those (certainly the resort courses) not only offer, but require carts. Lose the caddies, strap the bags to the carts and let the pros drive. Let's add another dimension to the game. How about the pros become 100% responsible for knowing their own yardages and reading their own putts?

 

+800 on the bold. I'd rather see caddies keep going. They let the pro's, especially those that are basketcases, do what they do to fantastic levels. No caddies probably means the standard of play dipps for a lot of them which is a side effect I'm not comfortable with.

 

However carts to make rounds not take 5+ hours should be stuck in. Blah blah blah walking tradition, etc, etc. Stacey Lewis recently said it best when she came out with "5 hour rounds are not fun for anyone. Not for us, the caddies or the fans". Damn skippy I say to that. Anything that keeps Crane, Na and company from destroying coverage of any final day where they're near the end has to be a good thing.

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I don't think they could use carts effectively at most tour events what with the galleries clogging the paths and I'm sure they don't want the carts on the fairways. Could you imagine "cart path only" with carts during a tour event? That would be horrible! I don't think they're slow because they're walking, there's just too many slow players with unforgivable pre-shot routines that play slow because they can.

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I don't think they could use carts effectively at most tour events what with the galleries clogging the paths and I'm sure they don't want the carts on the fairways. Could you imagine "cart path only" with carts during a tour event? That would be horrible! I don't think they're slow because they're walking, there's just too many slow players with unforgivable pre-shot routines that play slow because they can.

 

Not sure what it's like in other parts of the country but around here the nicer courses (Saratoga National, Turning Stone) actually ask that you keep the carts in the fairway as much as possible. Most ask that try to avoid driving in the rough.

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The evolution of this thread has been pretty interesting. I think caddies do provide a service, though it's probably almost entirely in a mentally supportive role to a lot of tour players (in addition to the club cleaning). Totally agree with the no caddies on the greens comments. Personally, I would hate to see carts running around the course on tour events, and agree that it's not really practical. As for the topic, I walk 99% of the time and so would not carry a staff bag. I think they look great and could probably carry every piece of golf gear I own, plus a six pack, but talk about impractical. I'll stick with my Sun Mountain stand bag and, occasionally, a push cart. Not sure what my reaction would be if someone in my foursome showed up with a staff bag. If we were walking I would probably just think he was crazy to carry such a big, heavy bag.

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Put golfers in carts, enforce pace of play=more attractive to TV and makes more folks think the game doesn't take forever toplay, and maybe grow the game in the process.

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