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5 minutes ago, Javs said:

Unfortunately for Fowler until he wins a major, he will be viewed as an under achiever. Even after winning a Players. The majors are just the real metric for success. 

 

... I do think one of the takeaways for many watching the show is just how hard it is to win on the PGA Tour. Especially Majors. What your saying is true for the masses or the ignorant but just keeping your card for 10 years means you are one of the best 50 players in the world so I would never call someone that has actually won on tour, an under achiever. Many also say that about Love and Couples from the safety of their Lazyboy after several beers in their living room, then go out and shoot triple digits. The game is just so hard. 

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1 minute ago, chisag said:

 

... I do think one of the takeaways for many watching the show is just how hard it is to win on the PGA Tour. Especially Majors. What your saying is true for the masses or the ignorant but just keeping your card for 10 years means you are one of the best 50 players in the world so I would never call someone that has actually won on tour, an under achiever. Many also say that about Love and Couples from the safety of their Lazyboy after several beers in their living room, then go out and shoot triple digits. The game is just so hard. 

What you say is true. The difference as Foley stated: successful career or known as a great. We are talking about the best 1 percent in the world to even make it. However, great is defined as major champion. That is even defined by the pros.

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13 minutes ago, Javs said:

What you say is true. The difference as Foley stated: successful career or known as a great. We are talking about the best 1 percent in the world to even make it. However, great is defined as major champion. That is even defined by the pros.

 

... I get that and agree. I just hate underachiever. DLIII won 21 times with a Major yet he is called an underachiever all the time. 

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1 minute ago, chisag said:

 

... I get that and agree. I just hate underachiever. DLIII won 21 times with a Major yet he is called an underachiever all the time. 

I agree, but the talking heads on TV and sports writers will always use that as a benchmark. To a great extent so do the players. We know every player out there is really good. Anyone who wins is successful, but great is entirely different level. That is the best of the best.

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4 minutes ago, Javs said:

I agree, but the talking heads on TV and sports writers will always use that as a benchmark. To a great extent so do the players. We know every player out there is really good. Anyone who wins is successful, but great is entirely different level. That is the best of the best.

 

... Houston, we have a problem. 😉  I was not talking about great. I am talking about calling anyone that wins on tour and especially a multiple tour winner an underachiever. Great is a completely different topic. 

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3 minutes ago, chisag said:

 

... Houston, we have a problem. 😉  I was not talking about great. I am talking about calling anyone that wins on tour and especially a multiple tour winner an underachiever. Great is a completely different topic. 

Ha ha I was just defining what we call successful vice the metric on tour. There is a player from Ocala, Fl that was once sponsored by my Dad and his friends. He missed his first 26 cuts on the mini tour then won several times. He was promoted to the PGA Tour and won twice. He can in the top ten several times. However, he lost his card once his exemption ran out. He made over 7 million and won twice. Now he struggles to get a place to play. Successful? Yes, I think so. But not great and yes he would even say under achiever. Since he missed more cuts than he made and never fully blossomed that label fits. I will add, he was not interested in a swing coach, working out or putting in the time line the guys in the series. 

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3 hours ago, chisag said:

 

... You see what they want you to see and hear what they want you to hear. That said, had to imagine editing was responsible for Koepka and his fiancé looking like they would have a hard time getting a GED and his head was about to explode. I cannot believe anyone can play golf successfully with all those thoughts in his head, especially the negative thoughts. Stark contrast to Scheffler smiling, having fun and winning. Obviously it is easier to have fun when winning but he seems like he would be the same guy when losing. As long as Koepka isn't winning LIV will be his home, but if manages to actually win again, I think he is gonna miss the PGA Tour causing more negative thoughts. It was a fascinating episode. 

That sums up my feelings on that episode as well. I’ve always thought of Koepka as not really being concerned about anything but the majors and that seemed to be the message, aside from enjoying the atmosphere of the WM Phoenix Open of course. The bit about negative thoughts was interesting. Made it seem easier to see him as a regular guy overcoming the challenges of trying to play their best. 

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I have watched the first 6 episodes so far and have enjoyed it thus far.  I had back surgery 1/11/23 and can only walk so I’ve been watching while on the treadmill.  It has been good to pass the time.

Netflix has put it together based on the individual that is new to golf and explains a lot of details about the tournaments.  But then hearing from the various players has been interesting to learn about their thought processes, etc.  Also very interesting to hear how the LIV players answer good questions on why they chose to move from the PGA.  Especially liked to see some of them squirm when asked tough questions about the “Blood Money”.

I look forward to seeing the balance of the episodes.

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4 minutes ago, Zman56 said:

Netflix has put it together based on the individual that is new to golf and explains a lot of details about the tournaments.

 

... I think Netflix has done a really good job of balancing content for new to golf and hard core golfers. It is actually better than I expected. 

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I always knew the pros played for money in their practice rounds. Was a publix player for 25+ years and there was very little betting. Once I joined a private club it was a rude awakening. Every round involved money. Granted not that much. However, you had better pay up in cash before you walked off the 18th green. Which begs the question, how much cash do these pros carry to be able to pay off their losses on the spot?

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28 minutes ago, Emmitsburg said:

I always knew the pros played for money in their practice rounds. Was a publix player for 25+ years and there was very little betting. Once I joined a private club it was a rude awakening. Every round involved money. Granted not that much. However, you had better pay up in cash before you walked off the 18th green. Which begs the question, how much cash do these pros carry to be able to pay off their losses on the spot?

we never pay out debts on the golf course, always in the clubhouse for all to see, most of it goes on the table to help buy the drinks.

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36 minutes ago, Emmitsburg said:

Which begs the question, how much cash do these pros carry to be able to pay off their losses on the spot?

It’s 2023, people just Venmo; or some other electronic payment service, the money to the winner.  

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I’m only on episode 3, and I’m going to speculate—pro golfers do not fly commercial for the sake of their clubs.

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I understand they are trying to make it for a wider audience, but it's hard to believe they didn't have more compelling footage.  With all of the storylines last year, they really made it vanilla.

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5 hours ago, berkeleybob said:

I’m only on episode 3, and I’m going to speculate—pro golfers do not fly commercial for the sake of their clubs.

Ian Poulter lit a bunch of money on fire flying private from Florida to London to Florida to Tulsa to Florida to..........in episode 3. I lost count of all the private flights he took in that episode. No wonder he signed with LIV. It was either that or sell some of his car collection. 

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Just watched the first episode of Full Swing……..great!

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I listened to the NLU 3 hour pod on it and enjoyed their view. I have only watched the first 4 or so episodes, but can't say I am really drawn to watch the rest. 

I of course will, but don't so feel as much of it being a priority. 

There are so many story lines from last year which I feel are missed or glossed over. Again I know this isn't exactly meant for me and more something for someone coming relatively new into the game, but still there are so many other stories that would made for better episodes. 

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Just finished ep 4. I’m not really a player follower. I think Padraig Harrington was the last guy I really paid attention to, and that was before pros had their own instagram channels. I know some of the names, but not much stats or wins. So this is a nice bit of insight for the uninitiated.

I’m under the impression that Scottie Scheffler keeps his private life private, which is only emphasized that much more in contrast to Brooks Koepka—that guy could use a mental coach.

It’s nice to know that any on-course fantasies I have about being on the PGA tour would likely be a storyline along the lines of Joel Dahman, especially the way he is with his training coach. (The fact that he works out with his wife is very, very cool.) I mean, I’d love to be good at golf, but I think I know myself well enough to know that I don’t have a mindset like Jordan Spieth.

What I really enjoy about the series so far is for the ones who open up—Spieth, Thomas, Koepka, Poulter, Dahman—it’s clear they all have their own demons to contend with, and that’s probably why I love golf. It’s a place, safe or otherwise, to confront my own demons.

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I really enjoyed all of the episodes of the series. That my put me in the slight minority, but I love getting the behind the scenes looks at players and their different approaches/perspectives/daily life dynamics and how it impacts their preparation for tournaments. I hope that they continue with another season, but it would be nice to see some production changes. Episode to episode jumped around so much. I didn't mind that, but I think it could be made better for sure! All that said, I did really like it!

 

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6 hours ago, GolfSpy_APH said:

I listened to the NLU 3 hour pod on it and enjoyed their view. I have only watched the first 4 or so episodes, but can't say I am really drawn to watch the rest. 

I of course will, but don't so feel as much of it being a priority. 

There are so many story lines from last year which I feel are missed or glossed over. Again I know this isn't exactly meant for me and more something for someone coming relatively new into the game, but still there are so many other stories that would made for better episodes. 

 

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... Ah oh, you are getting dangerously close to being a critic and we like to call them "Those that come down from the mountain after the battle and shoot the wounded". 😉  Or the old cliche' "Happiness isn't getting what you want but wanting what you get". That said, I certainly understand your opinion and agree it could be much better. But for me I would rather see an interesting golf series than no golf series at all. Even with it's limitations and by design having to cater to as you said someone coming relatively new into the game, I have really enjoyed it and looking forward to the rest as I will take my time and not binge. Ymmv ...

I actually believe it will only get better. 

This was their first year and trying to copy F1 in a sense just doesn't work for golf. It may take another season or two, but it will find its swing... hehe... and get better. Golf is a hard enough sport to follow and package and it isn't so much a complaint. Last year was just incredible for golf and it feels like they missed out on a lot. 

I am okay with being labelled a critic. Even Drive to Survive for me can be a tricky watch because I watch and read a lot of F1 so it is kinda a recap and when you see the overblown story lines and say flaws in editing or hype beats it can take away from it. Again this is me acknowledging that this series isn't exactly for me, but golf is golf and fun to see various stories and different backgrounds. 

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I thought the series was really well done. I would like to see a season follow LIV, after the break up. Different golfers are always nice to see as well. 

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I binged the last four episodes on the plane, and I think I have a greater appreciation of the players on the PGA Tour. I enjoyed watching Tony Finau’s story. Realizing just how much family he has supporting him was pretty cool. Again, as someone marginally interested, and doesn’t have access to the Golf Channel, I think it’s a good series.

What I wonder about is, is there anything on the cutting room floor worth watching? Did they follow any other players that didn’t make it into this season? Considering that he was a controversial player during this season, was Bryson Dechambeau ever considered to be part of this?

The last sport-related documentary series I watch was “Hardknocks” with the Detroit Lions. I’m biased, of course, but if part of point of these kinds of shows is to see whether I’d root more for the teams/players, then I’d say mission accomplished.

And, I agree, a show like this following LIV Golf players would be interesting in the sense that, I don’t have any love for that tour, Could a behind the scenes documentary change my mind?

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The player focused episodes give an up close and personal that in past was associated with monthly magazines of years ago and NOT common on broadcast TV.

 

There is a shallowness to the content in terms of competitive circumstance. The production crews just can't be in the mix, in the way, a distraction for any player making a run.

 

There is also a rather pedestrian atmosphere exposed surrounding the middle tier tour events. 

 

 

 

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On 2/21/2023 at 5:13 AM, GolfSpy_APH said:

I listened to the NLU 3 hour pod on it and enjoyed their view. I have only watched the first 4 or so episodes, but can't say I am really drawn to watch the rest. 

I waited to listen until after I watched all 8 episodes. Didn't want spoilers and wanted to form my own opinion before listening to their takes.

Overall, I thought it was okay but certainly not great. I watched it with my wife who hesitantly tolerates golf and I'd definitely agree with the idea the series was made for people like her (though perhaps with a little more acceptance of golf lol).

The Joel Dahmen episode is definitely the best and was our favorite. The Finau episode was probably a close second for us because of Tony and his family. Both episodes were mildly difficult to watch however because of the fact my mom also passed too soon (I was 28, she was 52?). Naturally, that is one part of why we connected with those episodes, but also, we just connected with Joel's humility (read imposter syndrome) and humor and Finau's down-to-earth, family-man appeal. As a result, my wife started following the Finau's joint Instagram account.

The episodes featuring Brooks, DJ, and Poults were good from the stance that you could maybe start to understand why they went to LIV (agree or not). However, Poults was the only one that made sense - a guy at the tail end of his career struggling to compete against younger more powerful players. The argument against him of course is that he really doesn't need the money regardless of what he says. I can only assume Netflix didn't touch on his Ferrari collection in an attempt to make him more appealing somehow.

I'll probably give a couple of the episodes a re-watch and look forward to season two. Hopefully, they won't spend as much time on meaningless details and provide a better picture of what professional golf looks like: feeder tours, Monday Q's, designated events, the majors, and perhaps a brief synopsis of what makes golf relevant in the 21st century (i.e. Tiger and the proliferation of young athletes who decided to pursue golf instead of other sports).

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I'm not reading anything here because I don't want it spoiled for me.  I'm really enjoying the series.  Damen and Finau have been my favorites thus far - I will be rooting for them going forward.  If someone wants to offer me a trade for either in fantasy golf, I'd entertain it. 🙂

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20 minutes ago, revkev said:

I'm not reading anything here because I don't want it spoiled for me.  I'm really enjoying the series.  Damen and Finau have been my favorites thus far - I will be rooting for them going forward.  If someone wants to offer me a trade for either in fantasy golf, I'd entertain it. 🙂

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