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the i20s are somthing that u can grow into realistically. they are slightly better player cavity backs w lots of perimeter weighting. it is forgiving and still lets u work the ball as u get bttr to a mid low- lowish handicap.

 

it is not as hard to hit as going straight out to buy blades

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Before you do anything--The MX25s are a beautiful head. I play them. Get fitted for shafts--that is what will make the difference. Mizuno last year came out with a fantastic way for your club fitter and you to try many different shafts in your MX25s. It doesn't take long and really can tell with all the different shafts. I ended up with KBS Tour shafts and what a change. Slightly longer but best of all delivers the head to the ball consistently in the same spot. Really straight! You know that buttery feeling you get once in a while? Well get it almost all the time!

 

As I say, you will really tell the change from one shaft to another. That is the way to making that beautiful feeling head pay off.

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@Dean: I played a round yesterday, and after some months of hell I went through, it was really the first time I hit my MX25 so sweet, so in control, again. I really like that MX25 head too, how it looks, how it feels (hitting its sweetspot IS addictive somehow), even after playing them for 3 years. But getting myself custom fit for them isn't really an option anymore. After 3 years of play on hardpan littered with all kinds of things that don't belong on a fairway, they are not in mint condition anymore. Grooves are wearing out, all dinged up, deep scratches on soles and so on. Needless to say, in that condition, I don't want to throw any more money on them by getting them custom fit.

 

 

Before you do anything--The MX25s are a beautiful head. I play them. Get fitted for shafts--that is what will make the difference. Mizuno last year came out with a fantastic way for your club fitter and you to try many different shafts in your MX25s. It doesn't take long and really can tell with all the different shafts. I ended up with KBS Tour shafts and what a change. Slightly longer but best of all delivers the head to the ball consistently in the same spot. Really straight! You know that buttery feeling you get once in a while? Well get it almost all the time!

 

As I say, you will really tell the change from one shaft to another. That is the way to making that beautiful feeling head pay off.

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Played a round with my i15's last weekend. On a par 3, I'm embarrassed to say I hit about an inch behind the ball off the tee with my 7 iron. But, much to my surprise, my ball still made it over the water and just left of the green about 10 yards short. That would have NEVER happened with my Bridgestone J40's. Bottom line - I still continue to amazed at how forgiving these irons are. Ping has really done themselves proud with the last couple of iterations of the I-series. Big thumbs up.

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712 AP1 irons were in the bag of Ben Curtis this past weekend. Found that pretty interesting.

 

I noticed that as well, it made me smile. I really should start keeping a running list of the guys who win on tour with "shovels." It would be nice to have when I'm fitting Joe 30-handicap who tells me that you can't play high level golf with GI clubs.

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I noticed that as well, it made me smile. I really should start keeping a running list of the guys who win on tour with "shovels." It would be nice to have when I'm fitting Joe 30-handicap who tells me that you can't play high level golf with GI clubs.

 

I agree with you. I guess he didn't outgrow those irons.

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I agree with you. I guess he didn't outgrow those irons.

 

Imagine how much more money and tournaments he will win when he gets better and starts playing i20's or even better, forged Mizuno MP's ! ;-)

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Thought I should update this thread with how it panned out. Day before yesterday I bit the bullet on a whim, couldn't restrain myself anymore, had to buy new toys. So I ordered the i20's.

Never could get hold of the AP1's, so they were out basically. And since I was fitted by Ping, albeit quite some time ago, and I did have the opportunity to test the i20 for two weeks, and liked them, I just went with that.

 

Now I just have to be patient for two more weeks for them to arrive ... tick tock tick tock ...

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I noticed that as well, it made me smile. I really should start keeping a running list of the guys who win on tour with "shovels." It would be nice to have when I'm fitting Joe 30-handicap who tells me that you can't play high level golf with GI clubs.

funny u shd say fitting joe 30 handicap who cant play GI clubs. i remembered a 28 marker tellin me tht custom fitting is supposed to help his swing- i kept thkg to myself which swing wl u lk me to fit u for? the one where u pull on 50yards to the left or the one tt u shank it 50 yards right?

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funny u shd say fitting joe 30 handicap who cant play GI clubs. i remembered a 28 marker tellin me tht custom fitting is supposed to help his swing- i kept thkg to myself which swing wl u lk me to fit u for? the one where u pull on 50yards to the left or the one tt u shank it 50 yards right?

 

ninjacobra, in English please :lol: I'm just joking around with you. I had a terrible time reading that post and figuring out what you were saying maybe I am just getting older. I think that it says something about OEMs and there quest to create a "quick fix" for the higher handicap golfer right?

 

I always cringe when I hear a player has bought into a single OEM and will not play anything else for one reason or another. I feel that if you want to learn something about your game I recommend buying any old 6iron blade (eBay one for $20) put a shaft in it that fits your swing, learn you to hit that club well. I also hat the open and shut faces on drivers I think every driver head should have a square face angle personally that is the only way you know if the shot was you or not IMHO.

 

What is more interesting is that Really AP1 doesn't fit into a "players cb" in terms of offset and loft amount plus just size of the head as well. A 45* PW, offset that matches a lot of GI irons, this might work for some people but for others it will not. The Ping i20 I'll be honest where I have not hit one of the Ping i20s but everyone that I have talked to that has seem to love those irons, I have heard a few ping lovers call them "the best set ping has made".

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funny u shd say fitting joe 30 handicap who cant play GI clubs. i remembered a 28 marker tellin me tht custom fitting is supposed to help his swing- i kept thkg to myself which swing wl u lk me to fit u for? the one where u pull on 50yards to the left or the one tt u shank it 50 yards right?

 

I really wish this sentence were attached to every line out there that said "get custom fit", maybe with some grammar corrections though ;).

 

Unless you have a repeatable swing and good fundamentals, it makes no sense to get fit unless you don't have any clubs, in which case a cheap set that's built to the right length is probably good enough.

 

bcgolf, congrats on the i20s, Ping makes great clubs. I bought a Nome this year and absolutely love it. As far as OEMs go, they have the best custom options and you can re-tune your clubs later as you need.

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bcgolf, congrats on the i20s, Ping makes great clubs. I bought a Nome this year and absolutely love it. As far as OEMs go, they have the best custom options and you can re-tune your clubs later as you need.

 

Forgot to mention, bought Tour-S Rustique wedges to replace worn out Vokeys. Actually, only my beloved 58/08 was worn out, but I'm going from 3 wedge system to 4 wedge system so I couldn't use it anymore, wink wink

 

And wdgolf, please don't mention the Nome too much .. it is number one my wishlist right now .. must resist as I really love my twoball ... (bought a Sydney for my wife, but she doesn't know it yet, gorgeous putter)

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Ping G15 2H 17° & driver 9° / stiff aldila serrano / ping 703
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I had a friend get some I20's this weekend. He kicked my butt on Friday and Saturday with them. He shot his lifetime best score of 71 on Friday. He also shot well again on Saturday, but he was unable to three peat on Sunday and was back in the 80's where he normally shoots. We were in different groups Saturday and Sunday but his absolutely loves them. He changed from K15's with graphite shafts to I20's steel shafts. I hit one on Friday but he has regular flex shafts and I need XS shafts so it felt like a noodle compared to what I hit now.

 

Another friend went from Adams A3OS to Adams a12OS and thinks the hybrids (3,4,5) are awesome but is not happy with the other clubs. He says he has no idea where they are going.

 

And still another friend is playing the K15's that the first guy replaced and is replacing his Callaway X 16 or something like that. He loves these Pings.

 

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I really wish this sentence were attached to every line out there that said "get custom fit", maybe with some grammar corrections though ;).

 

Unless you have a repeatable swing and good fundamentals, it makes no sense to get fit unless you don't have any clubs, in which case a cheap set that's built to the right length is probably good enough.

 

bcgolf, congrats on the i20s, Ping makes great clubs. I bought a Nome this year and absolutely love it. As far as OEMs go, they have the best custom options and you can re-tune your clubs later as you need.

haha sorry guys i typed that while i finished work and was not making sens.

 

what i meant was i find it ironic whn joe 30 handicaps come in and say they cant play GI clubs becus it will not help them improve. we see low to scratch players n even tour pros using GI clubs. Gi clubs arent gonna hurt their game its only gna help them get better till they get good enuf to start thinking abt working the ball around.

 

a high handicapper doesn need to worry about custom fit exotic shaft options and blade length and everythg spining their shafts. just need a set tt is the right length and lie angle.most oem stock shafts takes care of the mass market so as long as they are fitted for the right shaft flex it wld work

 

people come in and have an idea that they can jst buy a better game and expect the club to change that 70yard cut into a baby draw and hv no clue why their score isnt changing. how can u expect a radical change to ur shots if u dont mk a radical change to their swing?

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Soooooooooo, 3 days ago my i20's and Tour-S Rustique wedges were delivered. So you'd think I'd be all over them and hit them asap. That's what I thought would happen. Crazy reality is I can't bring myself to retire the Mizuno's and Vokey's and get the Ping's all scratched up and dirty. I've always seen my golfclubs as tools, but it is very hard for me at the moment to break in the new gear, especially the rustique wedges, they look sooooo prety, much nicer then the Vokeys .. I think I'm in love .. sigh ..

 

Anyone else had such a strange experience/feelings with new clubs / new Pings ?

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Ping G15 2H 17° & driver 9° / stiff aldila serrano / ping 703
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Soooooooooo, 3 days ago my i20's and Tour-S Rustique wedges were delivered. So you'd think I'd be all over them and hit them asap. That's what I thought would happen. Crazy reality is I can't bring myself to retire the Mizuno's and Vokey's and get the Ping's all scratched up and dirty. I've always seen my golfclubs as tools, but it is very hard for me at the moment to break in the new gear, especially the rustique wedges, they look sooooo prety, much nicer then the Vokeys .. I think I'm in love .. sigh ..

 

Anyone else had such a strange experience/feelings with new clubs / new Pings ?

 

There's always withdrawal and regrets, but in the end going with the younger, hotter one is always best :)

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Looking forward to pics of your first nick or scratch :P

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Well, I finally got round to trying out the new i20's and tour-s on the range. No honeymoon period, no love at first sight. I'm having a difficult time adjusting to them, difficult time loving them. They feel so light, so boardy, so clicky. Some of the grips were not put on straight, annoying. Makes me wonder what else they were careless with. Tour-s grind feels "sticky" in the green stuff, doesn't react to turf as I was used to with the Vokeys. Haven't tried the bunker yet. Tour-s feels hard, boardy, clicky with the Stiff CFS compared to Vokeys with Stiff KBS. I have a hard time hitting the 55/13 tour-s the same distance as I did my 58/08 Vokey .. go figure ..

 

So basically, it will take some time to get used to or even fall in love .. if at all .. going to give it some time and we'll see .. to be continued ..

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To answer your first question, I have a really hard time with getting my Mizzies dirty and scratched. I have been playing them for two months now and after every hit of the ball I go over and clean them with my Frogger towel, and dry them and replace the head cover. I even polish them up with another towel first. Pings on the other hand look like gardening tools right out of the box. :D when compared to the double chrome finish on Mizzies.

 

I have a friend that just moved from the K15's to the I20's. He loves them. I like the looks of the hybrids and driver but not so much the irons. But then again it is like being married to Jane Seymour or Cheryl Tiegs or Michelle Pfiffer. Sure these are older models with a few miles on them but would you really complain.

 

Edit. I am actually on the course and it just occurred to me that I slandered your i20's. For the record i20's and Ansers are the exception to the rule.

 

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