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My most humblest of apologize NGage.

 

 

Quick answer - Pre- An whey protein isolate shake with waxy maize starch and a tablespoon of peanut butter.

 

Post - same minus the peanut butter

 

Long winded answer -

 

I'd rather eat a light protein like egg whites with oatmeal 90mins before working out, then have a pre workout NO drink. Drink my BCAA's during the workout. Followed by another serving of BCAA's post with waxy maize starch immediately post. 20mins later have chicken and rice.

 

I have found alot of research in the last few months taking me away from shakes and using more amino acids and real foods.

 

Stupid question alert: How do you get amino acids other than shakes and food?

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i would have to guess through a supplement. I am ordering some "chained" If you go to bodybuilding.com etc...you can get a lot of choices from just typing in BCAA's into the search.

 

hope that helps

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My most humblest of apologize NGage.

 

 

Quick answer - Pre- An whey protein isolate shake with waxy maize starch and a tablespoon of peanut butter.

 

Post - same minus the peanut butter

 

Long winded answer -

 

I'd rather eat a light protein like egg whites with oatmeal 90mins before working out, then have a pre workout NO drink like WTF. Drink my BCAA's during the workout. Followed by another serving of BCAA's post with waxy maize starch immediately post. 20mins later have chicken and rice.

 

I have found alot of research in the last few months taking me away from shakes and using more amino acids and real foods.

 

 

I got the friendly apology...then it went to "blah, blah, blah and a tablespoon of peanut butter.....post - same minus the peanut butter". Then...something about egg whites and oatmeal with more science-y recipe stuff.

 

How about a direct link to some pics of product? :)

(but you can skip pics of egg whites and oatmeal ;) )

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Stupid question alert: How do you get amino acids other than shakes and food?

 

Shakes, Food, Intravenously, or supplementation. But be warned amino acids by themselves taste horrible!!!! Thats why most products have sugar in them to mask it.

 

i would have to guess through a supplement. I am ordering some "chained" If you go to bodybuilding.com etc...you can get a lot of choices from just typing in BCAA's into the search.

 

hope that helps

 

a1supplements.com is where i order stuff online, or you can shoot me a pm.

 

I got the friendly apology...then it went to "blah, blah, blah and a tablespoon of peanut butter.....post - same minus the peanut butter". Then...something about egg whites and oatmeal with more science-y recipe stuff.

 

How about a direct link to some pics of product? :)

(but you can skip pics of egg whites and oatmeal ;) )

 

 

Waxy Maize Starch - fast carb pre and/or post

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Whey Protein Isolate - Pre and/or Post

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All natural no sodium peanut butter - NO SKIPPY!

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Thanks....like an idiot, I'll take those pics to the store and look for those in person. :D

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Thanks, I'll look for those the next time I need more powder.

 

What are your opinions on EAS and Muscle Milk? It seems like I'm seeing those companies really pushing into mainstream advertising. Are those good products with solid marketing or are they selling marketing instead of a premium product?

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Thanks....like an idiot, I'll take those pics to the store and look for those in person. :)

 

Take the whole right up with them. Some may not have the brand name ie - CARB SLAM but just have waxy maize starch instead. lemme know what you find.

 

Thanks, I'll look for those the next time I need more powder.

 

What are your opinions on EAS and Muscle Milk? It seems like I'm seeing those companies really pushing into mainstream advertising. Are those good products with solid marketing or are they selling marketing instead of a premium product?

 

EAS - was good back in the day, got sold, now is pretty awful stuff. i can't tell you how many people i know who bought the dog bags full at costco and found themselves sitting on the toilet in 5 mins. the lactose fillers they use will bloat the hell out of you. stay far away and run from them.

 

Muscle Milk - made by cytosport, they make some good products, muscle milk also tends to bloat - not as bad as eas. prob the best tasting protein powders on the market. they're root beer float, peanut butter, and chocolote mint are to die for, but they also have a bit more sugar to make that taste soooo good.

 

i stay away from both, but have the muscle milk as a treat not a dietary staple.

 

Those two companies have done alot for the industry getting people in the mainstream interested. unfortunately as you suspected, they are low to bad quality products, with great marketing companies. i've seen and heard people go toe to toe with chemists, formularies, and ceo's of major companies and see if they know anything, and unfortunately they dont.

 

it takes a lot to put a supplement together. but some companies seem like they bought some cheap raws, did a pub med search on a validating study (or worse a white paper), capped them up, slapped a label on the bottle and marketed the hell out of it to create an item. and then there are the others that stole another companies genuine research ideas and basterdized their product into a bad copy.

 

golf industry is not that dissimilar - the return time on investment working or not is just quicker. you know now your $500 driver sucked vs waiting 30 days to finish the bottle of product.

 

i like you im sure like dealing with products that deliver the goods NOW.

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As usual, thanks for the quick and thorough response. I'll definitely be sure to avoid those in the future and try out the products that you recommended.

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Hey Michael

 

I have a question about the WTF. Now, i know you are not a doctor, but the WTF says "Up-regulated and sustains blood flow - widens the diameter of blood vessels and increases blood flow to skeletal muscles thus increasing nutrient up-take (such as creatine, amino acids, glucose, O2...food) into muscle". This sounds great, but as you may remember I had a blood clot in my leg in July which is the reason i turned into a lard ass to begin with so I am wondering if this will effect me in a negative way. I am on a blood thinner called coumadin, basically for life. I guess one of the main concerns is does it do this to ones arteries as well?

 

thanks for any help you can provide.

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Hey Michael

 

I have a question about the WTF. Now, i know you are not a doctor, but the WTF says "Up-regulated and sustains blood flow - widens the diameter of blood vessels and increases blood flow to skeletal muscles thus increasing nutrient up-take (such as creatine, amino acids, glucose, O2...food) into muscle". This sounds great, but as you may remember I had a blood clot in my leg in July which is the reason i turned into a lard ass to begin with so I am wondering if this will effect me in a negative way. I am on a blood thinner called coumadin, basically for life. I guess one of the main concerns is does it do this to ones arteries as well?

 

thanks for any help you can provide.

 

 

Joe - I did check with our MD on this one and though it shouldnt be a problem, on behalf of the company the official answer for that question is "please consult with your physician before taking any supplements" on this one.

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a1supplements.com is where i order stuff online, or you can shoot me a pm.

 

Waxy Maize Starch - fast carb pre and/or post

d_8352.jpg

 

Whey Protein Isolate - Pre and/or Post

d_6943.jpg

 

 

All natural no sodium peanut butter - NO SKIPPY!

no_salt_creamy.jpg

 

 

Again....thanks a bunch for the info, I'm working on getting it all together. One other question: with all the pre- and post- workout stuff -- do you take them all separately or do you mix all the pre- stuff together in something and drink all at once, and mix all the post- stuff together and drink it all together? If you are mixing them....do you mix them in water, milk, or something else?

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Again....thanks a bunch for the info, I'm working on getting it all together. One other question: with all the pre- and post- workout stuff -- do you take them all separately or do you mix all the pre- stuff together in something and drink all at once, and mix all the post- stuff together and drink it all together? If you are mixing them....do you mix them in water, milk, or something else?

 

Great question -

 

get yourself 2 shaker cups and keep them separate. I mix everything with water. If i needed added carbs or fats, i prefer adding my own (waxy maize or PB)to the mix vs using juice or milk respectively.

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Great question -

 

get yourself 2 shaker cups and keep them separate. I mix everything with water. If i needed added carbs or fats, i prefer adding my own (waxy maize or PB)to the mix vs using juice or milk respectively.

 

So you mix it all with water, all in one big drink? Or, you mix it all with water individually?

 

 

I would think you could get some funny tastes -- you know, mixing the various flavors. But on the other hand, that'd be a lot of water to drink if you mix them each individually.

 

So which is it?

Lots of smaller individual mixes? Or, one big mish-mash? And why two separate shaker cups?

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My most humblest of apologize NGage.

 

 

Quick answer - Pre- An whey protein isolate shake with waxy maize starch and a tablespoon of peanut butter.

 

Post - same minus the peanut butter

 

Long winded answer -

 

I'd rather eat a light protein like egg whites with oatmeal 90mins before working out, then have a pre workout NO drink. Drink my BCAA's during the workout. Followed by another serving of BCAA's post with waxy maize starch immediately post. 20mins later have chicken and rice.

 

I have found alot of research in the last few months taking me away from shakes and using more amino acids and real foods.

 

So you mix it all with water, all in one big drink? Or, you mix it all with water individually?

 

 

I would think you could get some funny tastes -- you know, mixing the various flavors. But on the other hand, that'd be a lot of water to drink if you mix them each individually.

 

So which is it?

Lots of smaller individual mixes? Or, one big mish-mash? And why two separate shaker cups?

 

its either two or three separate shaker cups are so you dont have one big mish mash.

 

going back to the original post above

 

 

-Whey Protein with Waxy Maize and PB pre workout

-Whey Protein with Waxy Maize post workout

 

or alternatively

-egg whites with oatmeal 90mins before working out

-NO drink for pre workout just by itself with water about 30-45 mins before you train

-BCAA's during your workout by itself with water

-BCAA's with Waxy Maize post training

 

 

in either case follow with a good meal of protein and carbs in about 20-25mins

 

dont use any liquid other than water

and each drink mixes in its own container.

 

make sense?

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Yeah.....thanks for all the info -- good stuff.

 

I'm gonna order some of the stuff you listed from a1supplements, but in the meantime I've picked up some of this:

 

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For now -- for breakfast -- I'm mixing it with some Carnation Instant Breakfast (vanilla flavor) and skim milk. I have 8oz of milk with it, and something like a bunch of blackberries. They say it's good for wake up time, and immediately after work out....so I figured I'd do that till I got the stuff you recommended.

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http://www.drugstore.com/qxp55622_333181_sespider_1_1/nestle_carnation/instant_breakfast_essentials_powder_classic_french_vanilla_classic_french_vanilla.htm

 

I also bought some of this in the meantime,

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http://www.vitaminshoppe.com/store/en/browse/sku_detail.jsp?id=S2-1003

but I'm gonna take it back tomorrow and exchange it for some Amino Vital Pro (grape flavored). The AV tastes better than the Xtend.

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Manavs,

On the Chain'd Out.....you linked the apple flavor and I saw they also had the berry/banana. Are they both good tasting? I think I'd normally lean more toward the berry/banana flavor over the apple if it's good.

 

What's your opinion on the stuff I've gotten so far?

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Manavs,

On the Chain'd Out.....you linked the apple flavor and I saw they also had the berry/banana. Are they both good tasting? I think I'd normally lean more toward the berry/banana flavor over the apple if it's good.

 

What's your opinion on the stuff I've gotten so far?

 

 

I can't believe im commenting on carnation instant breakfast as it relates to health - nevertheless -

per the packaging its 130 calories and

 

Total Carbohydrate 27 g

Dietary fiber 0 g

Sugars 18 g

Protein 5 g

1st 3 ingredients - Nonfat Milk, Maltodextrin, Sugar,

 

I dunno who "they" are but why the hell would YOU consume that? might as well have a snickers bar!

 

Re - The BCAA's, I alternate flavors each month. i cant personally do 2 flavors back to back. i

 

the nectar is a decent protein shake at a good value - usually.

 

the xtend to me tastes terrible, and its not as bioavailable and cost effective serving per serving as most BCAA's. Reason being the amino acid glutamine competes for the same receptor site as do the BCAA's. So once glutamine gets to the receptor the leucine/isoleucine/valine aminos dont get in and you've wasted it.

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Manavs, that was a little mis-communication about the Carnation Inst Breakfast. I wasn't clear. When I said "they said it was good at wake-up and after workout" I was referring to the Nectar Whey Protein Isolate -- not the Inst Breakfast.

 

No one suggested the Inst Breakfast mix....that's just something I already had, and I added the vanilla flavored Nectar to it (since the Inst Brkfst was also vanilla flavored). I'm not a big breakfast eater, and the Inst Brkfst is just something I can easily drink in the morning when I get up. I'm just using up what's already here.

 

As for Vitamin Shoppe, that's where I got the stuff I got (they're the ones that talked me out of the Amino Vital Pro grape and into the Xtend.....and yes, it does taste terrible. I'm taking it back tomorrow and getting the Amino Vital. I was there Fri night, and the guy said they didn't carry the Chain'd Out but that he'd heard of it.

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Manavs, that was a little mis-communication about the Carnation Inst Breakfast. I wasn't clear. When I said "they said it was good at wake-up and after workout" I was referring to the Nectar Whey Protein Isolate -- not the Inst Breakfast.

 

No one suggested the Inst Breakfast mix....that's just something I already had, and I added the vanilla flavored Nectar to it (since the Inst Brkfst was also vanilla flavored). I'm not a big breakfast eater, and the Inst Brkfst is just something I can easily drink in the morning when I get up. I'm just using up what's already here.

 

As for Vitamin Shoppe, that's where I got the stuff I got (they're the ones that talked me out of the Amino Vital Pro grape and into the Xtend.....and yes, it does taste terrible. I'm taking it back tomorrow and getting the Amino Vital. I was there Fri night, and the guy said they didn't carry the Chain'd Out but that he'd heard of it.

 

LOL - I gotcha now.

 

Vitamin Shoppe does carry a variety of good BCAA's. They may be out of stock but should be able to order for you. Check your pm's

 

Michael

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Hello Michael-

 

I've got a bunch of questions haha.

 

Let me start by telling you a little about myself. I'm 6'0" 145 pounds. Yes, I know that is tall & skinny. However, I am very strong & pretty muscular. The problem is I can't gain weight. I'm intrigued about what adding 20-30 pounds of muscle could do for my golf game.

 

On a normal day I eat a lot of snacks: Lance peanut butter crackers, beef jerkey, the ocassional candy bar. I work in a golf shop. I usually eat one big meal per day at night. The rest of the time it is just small snacks & supplements.

 

The supplements I take: One protein shake a day on average ON 100% Whey. About 5gs Creatine Monohydrate. Multivitamin. Fish Oil & Flax Oil. Antioxidants.

 

I just started taking some BCAA's the last couple days after reading through this forum ha.

 

I eat & lift weights & get plenty of sleep but never gain a pound. ????

 

I lift weights about 2 days a week. Usually I do heavy weight & low reps & few sets. Even though I think I am in pretty good shape I tend to tire out quickly. My muscles are literally dying after a couple sets. My energy levels stay very low most of the time. ???

 

So I'm looking to gain weight (muscle) & up my energy level.

 

Help me out.

 

Thanks

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