pmak Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 Golf courses, equipment, even your body has probably changed throughout your golf career. Did your golf play style ever change? Did you go from bomb and gauge to laying up to a comfortable yardage? Did you go from hitting all nine shots to stock shotting a course to death? Curious to see how members' games have evolved, and whether it made an improvement or maybe setback. GolfSpy_APH, Lacassem, Shapotomous and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment
pmak Posted February 22 Author Share Posted February 22 I'll kick off the thread with my own experiences! I started playing when I was around 7, and had Tiger and Phil as my idols. Shot wise, I started out how most kids do, with a big hook swing to hit the ball as far as possible. Through the junior years with lessons, I tamed that to a nice, reliable stock draw that served me quite well. Short game wise, I definitely tried to imitate Phil and hit flop shots from everywhere. I actually got pretty good at it, and bump and runs were just not in my dictionary . Fast forward to the late teens early twenties, I'm not sure if it was watching Tiger shape shots on TV, or having the ball spin less with new equipment, but I started learning to work the ball every which way to attack pins. My stock draw just wouldn't hold greens as well, so I had to learn the soft fade. I definitely had a lot more fun doing that though. No better feeling than perfectly carving a shot into a tucked pin! Did I shot side myself more often than hit the green? You bet. But I can't say I didn't have the flop shot to bail me out . Nowadays with a full time job and much less practice time, I've been trying to play a bit more smart. I read up on DECADE intro stuff, and now am trying to get back to a nice reliable shot shape to hit the centre of those greens. Similarly with short game, I just don't have the hands anymore, so I've forced myself to learn the bump and runs and soft pitch shots with a variety of different clubs. I'll say that my short game is probably a lot more reliable now as I'm just making smarter shot choices. vandyland, Lacassem, Dweed and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment
GolfSpy_APH Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 I was a slicer and now play a draw. That is the biggest change, but from a play style standpoint I think I just play smarter and have a better knowledge of my game and what I can actually pull off. I went more from a hit and hope type player to a knowledgeable and patient player. Lacassem, Kenny B, Shapotomous and 1 other 4 Quote as of June 2nd, 2023 (Past WITB) Driver: TBD: Follow here: Driver Shootout! Wood: King SZ 3 wood 14* F7 3 wood 16.5* w/ 7 wood shaft Irons: P790 5-PW w/ Project X Rilfe 5.5 659 TC w/ KBS Tour V 90 Black Wedge: S23 54,58 w/ KBS Tour Hi-Rev Blackout Putter: Mezz Max! Balls: Z star Link to comment
Shapotomous Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 My game has evolved multiple times over the last 50 years and sometimes even for the better! My younger years were the "grip it and rip it" method and presently I use the "swing so it don't hurt"method. I still try to work the ball with less success than before but mostly I play the shot shape the swing is producing that day. I think my 100 yard and less wedge game is more consistent than ever as is my driver. My putting is a lot more streaky than ever, I think because of eyesight changes that I haven't figured out. Equipment changes have helped minimize loss in yardage recently but I have had about 40 yards in the driver and two club lengths in the irons erode over the years. The 2 & 3 irons have been replaced by hybrids and the 4i could be on the endangered list too. I am still trying to shoot a good score in the 70's and the game is still fun at this point but I can see myself playing less as my ability to pull off shots lessens and my scores increase. Maybe as I lose that ability my expectations will drop accordingly and I'll still find it fun enough to keep playing. I think its more likely I'll be like somebody I knew back in the early years of my golf journey. He would just hit balls on the range or go on the course in the evening to hit a few balls from different spots into the greens. He had a club membership but never played a regular round because he couldn't score like his younger days and that frustrated him too much. He still enjoyed hitting shots and did a lot of that in practice mode. Kenny B and Lacassem 2 Quote Modern Bag: 849 Pro 9*, Accra Tour Z M5 Flex; 915F 3w, Diamana S+ 70 S flex; Snake Eyes 18*, & 23* Hybrids; JPX 900 Forged 5 - PW, PX LZ 6.0; Raw 50*, Nippon Tour 120 X; SM9 54* / 10* / S, Wedge Flex ; Tour Action 57*, PX LZ 6.5; Heppler Fetch; Ball - MTB-Black; Bag - H2NO Shot Scope H4, MG600 Rangefinder Classic Bag: Driver - Persimmon; 3w - Speed Slot; 5w - Tour Block; 3 - pw - Dynapower; sw - Ram Tom Watson; putter - bullseye standard or flange. Link to comment
G56788 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 I’ve never been a bomber. Over the years, I have relied mostly on my ability to hit fairways and I had no problem hitting 3 wood off every tee. Several years ago, I realized that if I wanted to get better, I was going to have to learn to hit driver consistently because I was giving up too much distance. I have gone from hitting a reliable fade to a less-reliable draw, but I make up for it with the shorter clubs I now hit into greens (technology has helped as well). I have also tried to develop a stock iron shot, but found I am better (and happier) when I allow myself to play with whatever swing I brought to the course that day. In sum, I’m longer, less accurate, and more flexible in my shot selection than I used to be. Kenny B, Lacassem and Shapotomous 3 Quote Link to comment
cnosil Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 My game has evolved largely related to better course management practices and trying to simplify my game. Stock full swings, standard/basic short game shots, picking better targets. DECADE strategies are my go to model. Stuka44, Kenny B, Lacassem and 2 others 5 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: mFGP2 Backups: Milled Collection RSX 2, Directed Force 2.1, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment
Lacassem Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 I have changed a lot in the 9-10 years of consistent playing. I have gone from trying to crush the ball and occasionally getting a bomb and then wondering why it wasn’t consistent and having a poor overall game. Drinking on the course and really just messing around to now where I’m trying to consistently learn and have a goal on the course. I have some beverages on the course but it’s rarely more than 2 of anything and prefer packing my snack, an electrolyte water and walking. A lot has changed and not just my play. sirchunksalot, Kenny B, G56788 and 3 others 6 Quote Check out my reviews: G710 Irons Official Review MC Shaft & V Series Putter Official Review 2022 Forged Tec's Official Review Nitron Push Cart Official Review Rhoback Golf Attire (Unofficial) ParSaver Divot Tool (Unofficial) Taylormade SIM 3 Wood (Unofficial) WITB: Weapons of grass destruction (link to WITB) Traverse is filled with all this shiny metal and tracked by RadSpeed 8* - MotoreX F1 6X SIM 3W - Project X HZRDUS Green U505 Driving Iron 17* - Project X HZRDUS Black SpeedZone 4H - Project X HZRDUS Black 2022 King Forged Tec's 4-PW - KBS $ Tape 130 48 (SM8), 52 & 60 (SM7) - Nippon Modus 125 S ER2VI PROV1X #19 Thank you to all those that have served/are serving and God Bless America Link to comment
Kenny B Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 I was never a big hitter, starting out at age 45... slice here, pull left there and maybe a straight one. After a swing change I was a lot straighter, but still not very far. I'm still working on my swing to get rid of some flaws. I tended to focus a lot on short game, and it continues to be a strength. Prior to 7 years ago, I could not hit out of bunkers. Now I will actually aim at pins close to bunkers if the "safe shot" to the middle of the green could result in a certain 3-putt or worse. When my short game is on, I can score; if not, rounds are in the 80's. I did move up a tee box last spring as a birthday present for turning 75, but I will also say that equipment changes over the past few years has helped me not lose the yardage I expected and may have slightly increased it. Stuka44, G56788, Shapotomous and 1 other 4 Quote “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to comment
G56788 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 1 hour ago, cnosil said: DECADE strategies are my go to model. At the risk of sounding clueless, what is a DECADE strategy? Lacassem 1 Quote Link to comment
null Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 Great thread and question. For me, with two young kids, I have realized the days of practicing a ton are behind me (for now). With that, I have have given up on lessons and focused on playing with the swing I have. I am a 2.8 handicap at the moment so it's obviously I have a good swing. I have spend years getting lessons, talking to fitters, watching educational videos, etc that I know the cause and effect of the golf swing. I understand the ball flight laws and the swing dynamics necessary to hit certain shots. I also understand the mechanics of what causes my bad shots. So now my approach is to just have fun and play good golf. Playing golf and not worrying about my swing. If I have a bad shot or hole, I digest the information and move on to the next one. I would say I have lowered my expectations quite a bit, and with that I am actually playing better golf. I try more interesting shots when the scenario calls for it and I take my medicine in getting out of trouble when necessary. I am not chasing a handicap or score anymore and I love it. The great side effect has been that I am playing the best and most consistent golf of my life chisag, cnosil, Stuka44 and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment
null Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 9 minutes ago, G56744 said: At the risk of sounding clueless, what is a DECADE strategy? In simple terms, it is a process designed to help you strategize your way around a golf course based on your own game https://web.birdiefire.com/ G56788 and Lacassem 2 Quote Link to comment
DaveP043 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 (edited) 25 minutes ago, G56744 said: At the risk of sounding clueless, what is a DECADE strategy? In simple terms, DECADE is a system developed based on Strokes Gained concepts. As I understand it, the system helps you make decisions based on data previously obtained on your own shot patterns. The Strokes Gained concepts generally encourage a player to get as close to the green as reasonable possible on every shot, while at the same time limiting the risk of serious stroke losses due to penalties or woods or any other "disastrous" shot result.. Edited February 22 by DaveP043 G56788 and Lacassem 2 Quote Irons Titleist AP2 714, KBS Tour S, 3 flat Rogue SubZero, GD YS-Six X 52, 56, and 60 wedges B60 G5i putter Right handed Reston, Virginia Link to comment
Jim Shaw Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 10 hours ago, pmak said: Golf courses, equipment, even your body has probably changed throughout your golf career. Did your golf play style ever change? Did you go from bomb and gauge to laying up to a comfortable yardage? Did you go from hitting all nine shots to stock shotting a course to death? Curious to see how members' games have evolved, and whether it made an improvement or maybe setback. what a fun adventure this game of golf has been for me over the decades, I started playing in 1966 and competitively in 1970. I grew up in a small town with a 9 hole course which is still there, a short course but very tight so with equipment the way it was and the tight course I grew up hitting the ball on very straight lines which I do to this day, so that hasn't changed, I have always enjoyed and cherished the friendships and social part of the game, that hasn't changed for me, I have always enjoyed the competitive part of the game, that hasn't changed, the number one thing that has changed is my decision to get swing and mental coaching and that has only been the last 8 years. I have never had such a low index in my career as I have in the past 5 years so a big improvement there, in summary, my style hasn't changed, I dont lay up to a comfortable yardage anymore I try and get as close to the green as possible, i still hit all 9 shots or more, and I have evolved to a better game, thanks for the post... Shapotomous 1 Quote committed to performance excellence Link to comment
golfinnut Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 I know I used to play a draw as a kid & thru my college years. It's slowly turned into a fade. Guess it's because of my growing beer gut but I've learned to live with it. It's either straight or a slight fade ... a draw is no longer in my repertoire LOL Shapotomous 1 Quote WITB: Do I like Titleist or what? Driver: TSR3 9* Graphite Design Tour AD XC 5S - B2 setting Fairways: TSi2 HZRDUS Smoke 13.5* A1 setting Driving Iron: U500 17* Blue Ventus HB Velocore Irons: T200 4 - 7, T100S 8 - PW N.S.Pro Modus Tour 3 105g Wedges: SM6 48*, SM9 52*, SM8 56* Modus Tour Wedge Putter: Newport 2 w/ Garsen Ultimate grip Ball: *ProV1 Left Dot Link to comment
Merlin1313 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 (edited) I started playing when I was about 3-4 (Dad's a retired PGA Pro). I grew up in the Jack/Gary/Mr. Palmer era and they were amazing. I wanted to play like Lanny Wadkins/Seve/Phil... you get the idea. I had no fear on the course and would go for anything that was POSSIBLY doable. I was playing and practicing a LOT more often and actually had a decent game. Since then, I've gotten more into course management and doing the least amount of damage(for the most part) possible. Since then, life has happened and I've gotten older(thankfully) and my distances have lessened. So to attempt to counteract that, I work more on the iron/short game/putting aspects to try and keep my scores/handicap somewhat respectable. I use a percentage rating on my shots. If I could pull it off 25% of the time- I'd give it a try, knowing that my short game could save me. Anymore, I'm in the 60-70% range. I DO occasionally regress and start to believe my own press releases and try to pull off shots that I shouldn't and sometimes they actually work- but obviously, not all the time. Everything in the game has gotten better- courses/ equipment and I think it's great. It seems to me that it's evening out the playing field(so to speak). I CAN say that I'm fighting Father Time with everything I've got, enjoying every minute on the course- but I think he's gonna win in the end- but I'm gonna go out swingin' Edited February 22 by Merlin1313 Jim Shaw and Shapotomous 2 Quote ALL Paradym 10.5*(11.5*) (Hzrdus Gen 4 Silver 60/KBS TD) Apex UW 17* (Tensei AV Blue 75) Apex Pro 21 Hybrid 20*/23* (KBS Hybrid) Paradym 6-PW (Nippon NS Pro Modus 3 Tour 105X) Jaws Raw Face Chrome 48* (Nippon NS Pro Modus 3 Tour 105X) Jaws Raw Chrome Full Toe 54*/ 58* (Nippon Pro Modus 115 Wedge) Jaws Full Toe Black Wedge 64* (DG Tour Issue Spinner 115) WHOG #5 Chrome Soft X Link to comment
cnosil Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 1 hour ago, G56744 said: At the risk of sounding clueless, what is a DECADE strategy? Some others have posted some basics. Yes it leverages strokes gained concepts. It is a system developed by Scott Fawcett that stands for: Distance, Expectation, Correct Target, Analyze, Discipline, Execute. He has some videos on his YouTube channel that discuss the concepts. Pretty sure you can also still get a free month to learn more. G56788 1 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: mFGP2 Backups: Milled Collection RSX 2, Directed Force 2.1, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment
chisag Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 ... I started playing at 33 yrs old and I haven't changed much. Starting out with MB's, Persimmon woods and Balata balls I had to learn to control the flight which meant hitting it far came down the road. It is still down the road. Players starting out with 460cc forgiving drivers and low spin balls could hit it as far as possible then learn control so a different game for them. ... I have basically only changed 2 things, one physical and one mental. After dropping to around a 10 and stalling it was clear I needed to learn to flight my wedges lower as well as develop a reliable knock down shot. These improvements made a huge difference in my ability to score. The 2nd change was following Mark Brodies always hit it as far as possible and don't lay up when I couldn't reach the green. Another jump in my scoring and got me to a + index. While my swing has gone through transitions after 2 back surgeries it is still very similar to my original swing, especially tempo. The only thing that has never changed at all is my putting stroke. Lacassem, Shapotomous and RichL85 3 Quote Driver: Aerojet Max 10.5* ... Kai'li BlueR Fairway: Aerojet 5 & 7 ... Kai'li Blue 60R Hybrids: KING Tec 19* ... MMT Hy70R Irons: King Tour 4-Pw ... Recoil 95R Wedges: Snakebite 51* & 58* ... Recoil 95R Putter: King Sport-60 Ball: Maxfli Maxfli Tour '23 Link to comment
vandyland Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 I have slowly gotten better over the past few years and the main change is I feel like I get more conservative the better I get (could be the two are related). Usually aim for the center of the green and away from trouble off the tee. I spend time on "strategy" by looking at landing zones in fairways and green sizes and taking into account how often I miss and from where etc. So if the landing zone (room between hazards/OB/super thick trees) is less than 45 yds, I don't hit driver. I find even as my driver dispersion has improved, I hit driver less and less on course. A 340 yd par 4 can be played Driver + SW or 5i + 9i and more often than not I am shading toward the side of 5i + 9i. But I also play golf courses shorter than I used to (this is a personal choice) because I like having that aforementioned option to hit an iron off the tee and still be able to comfortably reach some par 4s. Lacassem, Shapotomous and RichL85 3 Quote Radspeed XB Rogue ST Max 18* PTxPro 5 - PW Equalizer II 50* / 54* Glide 4.0 L.A.B. Directed Force 2.1 Titleist White Box 2023 Prototype Golf balls review -- https://forum.mygolfspy.com/topic/53743-member-test-titleist-pro-v1pro-v1x-white-box/?do=findComment&comment=870550 Link to comment
pmak Posted February 23 Author Share Posted February 23 13 hours ago, Golfspy_Lukes said: Great thread and question. For me, with two young kids, I have realized the days of practicing a ton are behind me (for now). With that, I have have given up on lessons and focused on playing with the swing I have. I am a 2.8 handicap at the moment so it's obviously I have a good swing. I have spend years getting lessons, talking to fitters, watching educational videos, etc that I know the cause and effect of the golf swing. I understand the ball flight laws and the swing dynamics necessary to hit certain shots. I also understand the mechanics of what causes my bad shots. So now my approach is to just have fun and play good golf. Playing golf and not worrying about my swing. If I have a bad shot or hole, I digest the information and move on to the next one. I would say I have lowered my expectations quite a bit, and with that I am actually playing better golf. I try more interesting shots when the scenario calls for it and I take my medicine in getting out of trouble when necessary. I am not chasing a handicap or score anymore and I love it. The great side effect has been that I am playing the best and most consistent golf of my life Underrated part of growing up: remembering that this is a game and it's supposed to be fun! I burnt myself out early playing junior tournaments and not playing up to my (possibly unrealistic) expectations. Now that I can only afford to play weekends, I try to enjoy my time out there with friends as much as possible Shapotomous, Jim Shaw and null 3 Quote Link to comment
pmak Posted February 23 Author Share Posted February 23 8 hours ago, vandyland said: I have slowly gotten better over the past few years and the main change is I feel like I get more conservative the better I get (could be the two are related). Usually aim for the center of the green and away from trouble off the tee. I spend time on "strategy" by looking at landing zones in fairways and green sizes and taking into account how often I miss and from where etc. So if the landing zone (room between hazards/OB/super thick trees) is less than 45 yds, I don't hit driver. I find even as my driver dispersion has improved, I hit driver less and less on course. A 340 yd par 4 can be played Driver + SW or 5i + 9i and more often than not I am shading toward the side of 5i + 9i. But I also play golf courses shorter than I used to (this is a personal choice) because I like having that aforementioned option to hit an iron off the tee and still be able to comfortably reach some par 4s. Do you use any system to track your shots like Arccos, for example? I've never done that myself, but seems like it'd be nice to collect that data to tell you objectively what your tendencies are and where you would aim in the future for your aforementioned landing zones. Quote Link to comment
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