null Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 Hard disagree. The players outside the top 50 are actually in a better place within this new model. "The better players get more money" Yeah, as they should. Want more money? Play better Merlin1313, GaDawg, Jim Shaw and 4 others 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Shaw Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 in my naivety, about 8 years ago I asked my Canadian Golf Hall of Fame friend, "how do I get on all the teams that you play on?" his answer was perfect and speaks to what is going on in the professional golf landscape today, "play better golf!!" So how do you get into the elevated events? Play better golf.... tdroma98, Merlin1313 and GolfSpy TCB 3 Quote committed to performance excellence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy TCB Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 2 minutes ago, Golfspy_Lukes said: Hard disagree. The players outside the top 50 are actually in a better place within this new model. "The better players get more money" Yeah, as they should. Want more money? Play better Agree and disagree. for sure... more money for better golf. But there is also some exclusion in the announcment for players holding a tour card - which limits the opportunity to "play better golf". A tour card used to mean equal chance for all PGA events.. Now there are events that exclude tour card holders. I'm not saying I disagree with the new direction. Saying that it is a change from tradition. GaDawg, Jim Shaw and Merlin1313 2 1 Quote Titleist TSR3 9* (A2 setting) Driver - Graphite Design Tour AD UB-5 R1 Titleist TSR2+ 3 Wood - Graphite Design Tour AD UB-5 R1 Srixon ZX 5W Callaway Paradym 4-PW Titleist Vokey SM9 50-08, 54-10 & 58-08 Scotty Cameron Super Select Newport 2.5 2023 Titleist ProV1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
null Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 10 minutes ago, Golfspy_TCB said: Agree and disagree. for sure... more money for better golf. But there is also some exclusion in the announcment for players holding a tour card - which limits the opportunity to "play better golf". A tour card used to mean equal chance for all PGA events.. Now there are events that exclude tour card holders. I'm not saying I disagree with the new direction. Saying that it is a change from tradition. But that is what got the PGA Tour in this predicament Too many events with no clear delineation about the important events Too big of fields No way to force the top players to play in the same events. I think NLU did such an incredible job of explaining why these changes are BETTER for the 50-200th ranked players in the world. The Status Quo was NOT an option GolfSpy TCB, Merlin1313 and TR1PTIK 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Shaw Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 10 minutes ago, Golfspy_TCB said: Agree and disagree. for sure... more money for better golf. But there is also some exclusion in the announcment for players holding a tour card - which limits the opportunity to "play better golf". A tour card used to mean equal chance for all PGA events.. Now there are events that exclude tour card holders. I'm not saying I disagree with the new direction. Saying that it is a change from tradition. from what I hear, there are 24 opportunities for the "players holding a tour card" to play better golf null, Merlin1313 and GolfSpy TCB 3 Quote committed to performance excellence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy TCB Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 Would Kitayama be holding the API trophy if we were under next year's rules?, or would it be Rory? Merlin1313, tdroma98, GaDawg and 1 other 2 1 1 Quote Titleist TSR3 9* (A2 setting) Driver - Graphite Design Tour AD UB-5 R1 Titleist TSR2+ 3 Wood - Graphite Design Tour AD UB-5 R1 Srixon ZX 5W Callaway Paradym 4-PW Titleist Vokey SM9 50-08, 54-10 & 58-08 Scotty Cameron Super Select Newport 2.5 2023 Titleist ProV1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LICC Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 22 minutes ago, Golfspy_TCB said: Agree and disagree. for sure... more money for better golf. But there is also some exclusion in the announcment for players holding a tour card - which limits the opportunity to "play better golf". A tour card used to mean equal chance for all PGA events.. Now there are events that exclude tour card holders. I'm not saying I disagree with the new direction. Saying that it is a change from tradition. Most of the below 100 ranked players have no effect on the main tournaments anyway. The Tour needed to update its model which is still based on a 1940s world. The top players are the draw so they need to get them together more often in more high-profile events. This is how you do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LICC Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 9 minutes ago, Golfspy_TCB said: Would Kitayama be holding the API trophy if we were under next year's rules?, or would it be Rory? He was ranked 44th coming into the API, so I would think so. tdroma98 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy TCB Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 2 minutes ago, LICC said: He was ranked 44th coming into the API, so I would think so. Yes but would he be 44th without the opportunity to play in the events leading up to the API that gained him enough fed ex points? GaDawg 1 Quote Titleist TSR3 9* (A2 setting) Driver - Graphite Design Tour AD UB-5 R1 Titleist TSR2+ 3 Wood - Graphite Design Tour AD UB-5 R1 Srixon ZX 5W Callaway Paradym 4-PW Titleist Vokey SM9 50-08, 54-10 & 58-08 Scotty Cameron Super Select Newport 2.5 2023 Titleist ProV1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
null Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 20 minutes ago, Golfspy_TCB said: Would Kitayama be holding the API trophy if we were under next year's rules?, or would it be Rory? Kitayama would have been in the tournament. tdroma98 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
null Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 8 minutes ago, Golfspy_TCB said: Yes but would he be 44th without the opportunity to play in the events leading up to the API that gained him enough fed ex points? Yes absolutely. And he those lesser events also create immediate pathways into designated events. A hot stretch of a few tournaments is enough to get into a designated event. tdroma98 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy TCB Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 7 minutes ago, Golfspy_Lukes said: Yes absolutely. And he those lesser events also create immediate pathways into designated events. A hot stretch of a few tournaments is enough to get into a designated event. Maybe so, just raising the question. It will be an interesting path forward to watch unfold. GaDawg 1 Quote Titleist TSR3 9* (A2 setting) Driver - Graphite Design Tour AD UB-5 R1 Titleist TSR2+ 3 Wood - Graphite Design Tour AD UB-5 R1 Srixon ZX 5W Callaway Paradym 4-PW Titleist Vokey SM9 50-08, 54-10 & 58-08 Scotty Cameron Super Select Newport 2.5 2023 Titleist ProV1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TR1PTIK Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 I doubt I'll be able to articulate my points as well as I did the other day commenting on social media, but basically... The designated events give the big name, top-performing players a spot to battle against one another without as much "noise" and get the paychecks they arguably deserve given how much viewing demand they generate. Fans get a more exciting product (so long as broadcasters don't completely ruin it). The lower tier guys get increased opportunities to earn a reasonable living on the tour as the upper echelon of the sport work their schedules around designated events and majors - they will still have to play some non-designated events in order to sufficiently maintain their status as the elite of the golfing world and to satisfy sponsor obligations just to be clear. Again, fans get a better look at the guys working their way up the ranks and broadcasters (assuming they do their job) will be able to highlight them more easily. Is it a perfect system? No. Absolutely not. However, I do think it's much better than what the tour has done to the FedEx Cup. Quote Driver: ST190 9.5* Fujikura Atmos Blue 5S Fairway Wood: ST190 15* Fujikura Atmos Blue 6S Hybrid: CLK 17* Fujikura Speeder EVO HB Irons: J40 CB (3-PW) Dynamic Gold Tour Issue X100 Wedges: Milled Grind 2 54* & 58* Dynamic Gold S200 Putter: Tri-Hot 5k Two 34" Bag: Players 5 Stand Bag Ball: Maxfli Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaDawg Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 10 hours ago, Golfspy_Lukes said: Hard disagree. The players outside the top 50 are actually in a better place within this new model. "The better players get more money" Yeah, as they should. Want more money? Play better The other option would be to become really good friends with the Commissioner, Rory! Quote Driver: Stealth Plus - 10.5*, Oban Kiyoshi Purple O4Flex-65 Grams Purred 3 Wood: SIM - 15*, Graphite Design Tour AD DJ5 Stiff Hybrid: TS3 - 19*, Hzrdus Smoke 6.0 Stiff Irons: 5 - PW T150, with Nippon Zelos 7 Reg, 4 iron - U505 with Project X HZRDUS Black Stiff Wedges: Vokey SM 8 - 50*, 60* Standard Wedge Shafts Wedge: Milled Grind 3 MG3 56* S200 shaft Putter: Studio Select Newport 1.5 Putter: Phantom X 5.5 Ball: Pro V1 or Tour BX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaDawg Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 9 hours ago, Golfspy_TCB said: Would Kitayama be holding the API trophy if we were under next year's rules?, or would it be Rory? Hopefully, Harris English. I hope Rory never wins again. Quote Driver: Stealth Plus - 10.5*, Oban Kiyoshi Purple O4Flex-65 Grams Purred 3 Wood: SIM - 15*, Graphite Design Tour AD DJ5 Stiff Hybrid: TS3 - 19*, Hzrdus Smoke 6.0 Stiff Irons: 5 - PW T150, with Nippon Zelos 7 Reg, 4 iron - U505 with Project X HZRDUS Black Stiff Wedges: Vokey SM 8 - 50*, 60* Standard Wedge Shafts Wedge: Milled Grind 3 MG3 56* S200 shaft Putter: Studio Select Newport 1.5 Putter: Phantom X 5.5 Ball: Pro V1 or Tour BX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaDawg Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 9 hours ago, LICC said: Most of the below 100 ranked players have no effect on the main tournaments anyway. The Tour needed to update its model which is still based on a 1940s world. The top players are the draw so they need to get them together more often in more high-profile events. This is how you do it. They are doing that very fast, looking a lot like LIV golf. Quote Driver: Stealth Plus - 10.5*, Oban Kiyoshi Purple O4Flex-65 Grams Purred 3 Wood: SIM - 15*, Graphite Design Tour AD DJ5 Stiff Hybrid: TS3 - 19*, Hzrdus Smoke 6.0 Stiff Irons: 5 - PW T150, with Nippon Zelos 7 Reg, 4 iron - U505 with Project X HZRDUS Black Stiff Wedges: Vokey SM 8 - 50*, 60* Standard Wedge Shafts Wedge: Milled Grind 3 MG3 56* S200 shaft Putter: Studio Select Newport 1.5 Putter: Phantom X 5.5 Ball: Pro V1 or Tour BX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenyonline Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 As a typical viewer I have no incentive to watch Thursday and Friday on the “No cut” events. That’s not good news for a sport that has been losing viewers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Shaw Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 lots of talk on the Golf Channel regarding the 2024 PGA season.. Now let's be really honest, all throughout the recent evolution of golf, and by recent I mean since the advent of televised golf. Why did professional golf evolve from match play to stroke play, because the "sponsors" wanted a better chance that Arnold, Jack, Gary, Billy Casper, Lee Trevino, Sam Snead, Ben Hogan, would be around the tournament so people could watch them. There was a real lull in professional golf once Jack started aging, no one was taking the baton and carrying the tour, even Tom Watson didnt have the umph or Greg Norman, Curtis Strange (boring) golf was in a real lull...Oh 1996 a young phenom comes onto the course, oh and social media is gaining traction, perfect marriage... So off we go, golf grows like crazy and the sponsors love it and golf is good and pay is good... Where is the majority of the money made in professional sports? NFL (television) NHL (television, and believe me the NHL wants more americans to understand the game) MLB (television and so much so that the grapefruit league goes for a month before regular season starts, sponsors and money) All those sports had upstart leagues go up against them American Football League agains the old National Football League, WHL agains the NHL, American League against than National League, it just happens, now we have LIV against PGA... no big deal it has happened before and it will happen again... Gold needs the best players to play against each other, hasn't changed in 100 years, and the companies that pay the bills need that, so.... here we go.... to be honest I am enjoying the game currently, some great golfers and great golf.. play on.... Quote committed to performance excellence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LICC Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 9 hours ago, GaDawg said: They are doing that very fast, looking a lot like LIV golf. Maybe it some aspects. The criticism of LIV isn’t about having more tournaments where more of the top players are playing together. The criticisms are of shotgun starts, 54 holes, no cuts and no qualifying to get into the tournaments, among other things. I do think the Tour is making a small mistake not having any cut on these events, but it’s not that big of a deal given that players still have to qualify to play them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy_APH Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 9 hours ago, GaDawg said: The other option would be to become really good friends with the Commissioner, Rory! Ya... no Quote as of June 2nd, 2023 (Past WITB) Driver: TBD: Follow here: Driver Shootout! Wood: F7 3 wood 14.5* w/ Motore F1 Shaft Irons: TBD 659 TC w/ KBS Tour V 90 Black Wedge: S23 54,58 w/ KBS Tour Hi-Rev Blackout Putter: Mezz Max! Balls: Vice Pro Plus Drip (Blue/Orange) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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