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The early coverage on Hulu yesterday had Spieth and whoever he was playing with as a featured group. Both player's drives came to rest in the designated fan crossing area. Announcers didn't go into any detail, but both were granted relief even though they were in the fairway. Can someone please explain?

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9 minutes ago, MaxEntropy said:

The early coverage on Hulu yesterday had Spieth and whoever he was playing with as a featured group. Both player's drives came to rest in the designated fan crossing area. Announcers didn't go into any detail, but both were granted relief even though they were in the fairway. Can someone please explain?

There isn’t a specific rule that covers spectator crosswalks.  This is done at all professional events and the crosswalk is most likely just considered ground under repair.  

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6 hours ago, cnosil said:

There isn’t a specific rule that covers spectator crosswalks.  This is done at all professional events and the crosswalk is most likely just considered ground under repair.  

Pretty sure they can choose to play from there as well, it is an optional drop. Could be very wrong on that though. 

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42 minutes ago, GolfSpy_APH said:

Pretty sure they can choose to play from there as well, it is an optional drop. Could be very wrong on that though. 

that's true so probably not GUR.  Could just be a local rule.  

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9 hours ago, cnosil said:

... the crosswalk is most likely just considered ground under repair.  

Or maybe during the tourney it's classified as "abnormal ground condition"..?

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2 hours ago, cnosil said:

that's true so probably not GUR.  Could just be a local rule.  

I'm being stupid;  you don't have to take relief from GUR;  playing from GUR is allowed.

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11 hours ago, cksurfdude said:

Or maybe during the tourney it's classified as "abnormal ground condition"..?

An Abnormal Ground Condition is one of 4 specific defined areas:  Animal Hole, Temporary Water, Immoveable Obstruction, or Ground Under Repair.  The first three are defined based on characteristics, and do not need the Committee to further define them.  GUR consists of areas defined by the Committee as GUR, as well as a few other areas that are always GUR.  I'm pretty sure those crosswalks are defined by the Committee as GUR.  

I know this is a little picky, but in many cases an understanding of the Rules requires an understanding of specific terms defined within the Rules.  

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On 3/14/2023 at 12:22 PM, cnosil said:

I'm being stupid;  you don't have to take relief from GUR;  playing from GUR is allowed.

Unless the wording is "must" take relief, then you have to come out of it, sometimes in a worse position.

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9 hours ago, Peaksy68 said:

Unless the wording is "must" take relief, then you have to come out of it, sometimes in a worse position.

Absolutely correct, your Reference Point for Relief is the Nearest Point of Complete Relief.  That could be in a bush, on the side of a slope, in a bunch of rocks, or on a nice flat lie in the fairway, For those who want to find the exact reference, look to Clarification 16.1/1, titled   Relief from Abnormal Course Condition May Result in Better or Worse Conditions

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