ChitownM2 Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 I bought my current gamer irons second hand and have gotten along with them pretty well. They were originally 2° up from Srixon standard and also + 1/2" (from prev owner). When I got them I pulled the grips and cut them to std length and have been playing them ever since. After going for a fitting recently, we determined that I'm not going to gain much from a new set of irons but based on the session, it does appear that getting back a couple of swing weight points would be beneficial to my dispersion and also since I'm not coming over the top as much as I was when I first got them, I need to go back to the std lie angle to help reduce some of my left misses. So the plan is to pull the heads and tip weights and then rebuild the same pieces with heavier weights to get me back to D2 instead of the C9.5-D0 they are currently at. I have all the tools required to do that, but can't do the lie adjustment as I don't have the machine and wouldn't try it on my gamers even if I did. My question is: Should I go have the lie angles adjusted and then pull the shafts and re-build or re-build them and then take them to have the lie angle changed? In theory adjusting the lie angle would have a small effect on swing weight so I should do that first, but it's also possible that even with centering beads that I wouldn't get the shaft perfectly centered in the head so maybe it makes sense to adjust lie afterward? Also possible that the differences are going to be so minimal that it doesn't make a difference either way..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edingc Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 On 3/13/2023 at 6:28 PM, ChitownM2 said: Also possible that the differences are going to be so minimal that it doesn't make a difference either way..... I concur with this. Tolerances being what they are, I don't know if it really matters. I do know, in your situation, I would do the club work first and then adjust the lie angles as the last step once everything has been rebuilt. 5 Quote Unofficial WHS Handicap: 6.7 / Anti-Cap: 12.8 (Last Updated Oct. 13, 2022) Driver: Callaway Paradym TD (10.5°, -1/N), 45.75", Fujikura Motore X F1 6X | Fitting Post 3 Wood: Cobra RadSpeed Big Tour (14.5°), 43", Fujikura Motore X F1 7X 20° Hybrid: PXG 0211 (2020 Model), 40.25", Mitsubishi Tensei AV RAW White 90X 4 Utility: Cobra KING Utility (2020 Model), 38.5", UST Mamiya Recoil 110 F5 5-PW: Ben Hogan PTx Pro, 37" 7 Iron, Aerotech SteelFiber i125cw Stiff | Club Champion Fitting 50°, 54°, 58°: Edel SMS, V Grind, Nippon Modus 125 Wedge| Official Review Thread Putter: L.A.B. Golf DF 2.1, 36", 68°, Black with Custom Sightlines, BGT Stability Tour, L.A.B. Press II 3° | Unofficial Review Grips: Star Sidewinder, Undersized with Custom Tape Build-Up Ball: Snell MTB-X Optic Yellow Tracked By: Shot Scope H4 Bag: Personalized 2020 Sun Mountain Sync Riding On: CaddyTek Caddylite EZ V8 | Unofficial Review WITB? | 2022 Reviewer Edel SMS Wedges | 2021 Reviewer Maxfli Tour and Tour X Balls | 2020 Participant #CobraConnect Challenge | 2019 Reviewer Callaway Epic Flash Driver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattWillGolf Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 On 3/13/2023 at 6:28 PM, ChitownM2 said: I bought my current gamer irons second hand and have gotten along with them pretty well. They were originally 2° up from Srixon standard and also + 1/2" (from prev owner). When I got them I pulled the grips and cut them to std length and have been playing them ever since. After going for a fitting recently, we determined that I'm not going to gain much from a new set of irons but based on the session, it does appear that getting back a couple of swing weight points would be beneficial to my dispersion and also since I'm not coming over the top as much as I was when I first got them, I need to go back to the std lie angle to help reduce some of my left misses. So the plan is to pull the heads and tip weights and then rebuild the same pieces with heavier weights to get me back to D2 instead of the C9.5-D0 they are currently at. I have all the tools required to do that, but can't do the lie adjustment as I don't have the machine and wouldn't try it on my gamers even if I did. My question is: Should I go have the lie angles adjusted and then pull the shafts and re-build or re-build them and then take them to have the lie angle changed? In theory adjusting the lie angle would have a small effect on swing weight so I should do that first, but it's also possible that even with centering beads that I wouldn't get the shaft perfectly centered in the head so maybe it makes sense to adjust lie afterward? Also possible that the differences are going to be so minimal that it doesn't make a difference either way..... This is something I’d love to hear the opinion of @McGolf Quote Ping CB-P226 Hoofer Cart Bag Ping G400 Max 10.5° w/Ping Alta CB PXG 0341 3 wood 15° w/Project X Even Flow Blue PXG 0211 19° Hybrid w/Project X Even Flow Riptide Ping G410 Crossover 23° w/Mitsubishi Tensei Blue PXG 0211 5 - GW w/True Temper Elevate 95 Callaway MD3 54°/12° S Grind w/True Temper Dynamic Gold Callaway MD3 58°/09° W Grind w/True Temper Dynamic Gold Evnroll ER7 or ER11v 34” Evnroll ER11v Official Review Shot Scope Pro LX+ Pro LX+ Official Review Kirkland Signature v2.0 Clicgear 3.5+ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
null Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 If you know what lie angle you need, then there's no issue bending the club head before installing the shaft 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McGolf Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 On 3/13/2023 at 6:28 PM, ChitownM2 said: I bought my current gamer irons second hand and have gotten along with them pretty well. They were originally 2° up from Srixon standard and also + 1/2" (from prev owner). When I got them I pulled the grips and cut them to std length and have been playing them ever since. After going for a fitting recently, we determined that I'm not going to gain much from a new set of irons but based on the session, it does appear that getting back a couple of swing weight points would be beneficial to my dispersion and also since I'm not coming over the top as much as I was when I first got them, I need to go back to the std lie angle to help reduce some of my left misses. So the plan is to pull the heads and tip weights and then rebuild the same pieces with heavier weights to get me back to D2 instead of the C9.5-D0 they are currently at. I have all the tools required to do that, but can't do the lie adjustment as I don't have the machine and wouldn't try it on my gamers even if I did. My question is: Should I go have the lie angles adjusted and then pull the shafts and re-build or re-build them and then take them to have the lie angle changed? In theory adjusting the lie angle would have a small effect on swing weight so I should do that first, but it's also possible that even with centering beads that I wouldn't get the shaft perfectly centered in the head so maybe it makes sense to adjust lie afterward? Also possible that the differences are going to be so minimal that it doesn't make a difference either way..... The removal of 1/2" of the club is generally good for 3 sw pts. Flattening the lie about 3 degrees can have an affect on swing weight and length of the club. albeit small but there is a change. Centering beads will not make a noticeable difference. For this task I would Take the clubs apart, add the weight, reassemble the check length and have lie adjusted to be on the mark when done 8 Quote Driver - 44.5" 5.0 flex 10.5 deg Graphite Design XC 6S GP MCC4+ 1 deg closed Irons - 5-pw, GW stnd length 5.0 flex same grip 1 deg flat. Type low medium offset cavity back, no diggers Wedges - 56 and 60 tour grind wedge spinner and mcc4+ grip 2 flat 10 and 8 in bounce Putter - Makefield VS LH Ball - truvis Carried in a Sun Mountain C-130 USA bag - BE PROUD. HC - LH but 85 is a good number, playing in Ohio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChitownM2 Posted March 23 Author Share Posted March 23 The tip weights showed up today so hopefully I can get the clubs re-built in the next week or so and then I can get them off to a shop to have the lie adjusted. After messing around it looks like D2 is about as heavy as I can get them because I have some Lamkin midsize Sonar grips on them and they add like 8 grams to the butt end meaning they take the swingweight down by almost 2 points all on their own vs the stock tour velvet grips which only weigh 50 grams. Curious how others are able to get some of these heavier swingweights I've seen mentioned before. If you play a mid-size grip or larger then you're already down 2 or 3 swingweight points from stock so even getting them back to normal can be challenging. 10g is the largest swingweight I could find and that would barelybe enough to offset some of the heavier grips out there. Are people adding tip weights and then lead powder on top of that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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