Re-building irons - Adjust Lie before or after re-shaft ?

[ChitownM2]

I bought my current gamer irons second hand and have gotten along with them pretty well.  They were originally 2° up from Srixon standard and also + 1/2" (from prev owner).  When I got them I pulled the grips and cut them to std length and have been playing them ever since.  After going for a fitting recently, we determined that I'm not going to gain much from a new set of irons but based on the session, it does appear that getting back a couple of swing weight points would be beneficial to my dispersion and also since I'm not coming over the top as much as I was when I first got them, I need to go back to the std lie angle to help reduce some of my left misses.  

So the plan is to pull the heads and tip weights and then rebuild the same pieces with heavier weights to get me back to D2 instead of the C9.5-D0 they are currently at.  I have all the tools required to do that, but can't do the lie adjustment as I don't have the machine and wouldn't try it on my gamers even if I did. 

My question is:  Should I go have the lie angles adjusted and then pull the shafts and re-build or re-build them and then take them to have the lie angle changed?  In theory adjusting the lie angle would have a small effect on swing weight so I should do that first, but it's also possible that even with centering beads that I wouldn't get the shaft perfectly centered in the head so maybe it makes sense to adjust lie afterward?  Also possible that the differences are going to be so minimal that it doesn't make a difference either way..... 

[edingc]

On 3/13/2023 at 6:28 PM, ChitownM2 said:

Also possible that the differences are going to be so minimal that it doesn't make a difference either way..... 

I concur with this. Tolerances being what they are, I don't know if it really matters.

I do know, in your situation, I would do the club work first and then adjust the lie angles as the last step once everything has been rebuilt.

[MattWillGolf]

On 3/13/2023 at 6:28 PM, ChitownM2 said:

I bought my current gamer irons second hand and have gotten along with them pretty well.  They were originally 2° up from Srixon standard and also + 1/2" (from prev owner).  When I got them I pulled the grips and cut them to std length and have been playing them ever since.  After going for a fitting recently, we determined that I'm not going to gain much from a new set of irons but based on the session, it does appear that getting back a couple of swing weight points would be beneficial to my dispersion and also since I'm not coming over the top as much as I was when I first got them, I need to go back to the std lie angle to help reduce some of my left misses.  

So the plan is to pull the heads and tip weights and then rebuild the same pieces with heavier weights to get me back to D2 instead of the C9.5-D0 they are currently at.  I have all the tools required to do that, but can't do the lie adjustment as I don't have the machine and wouldn't try it on my gamers even if I did. 

My question is:  Should I go have the lie angles adjusted and then pull the shafts and re-build or re-build them and then take them to have the lie angle changed?  In theory adjusting the lie angle would have a small effect on swing weight so I should do that first, but it's also possible that even with centering beads that I wouldn't get the shaft perfectly centered in the head so maybe it makes sense to adjust lie afterward?  Also possible that the differences are going to be so minimal that it doesn't make a difference either way..... 

This is something I’d love to hear the opinion of @McGolf

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If you know what lie angle you need, then there's no issue bending the club head before installing the shaft

[McGolf]

On 3/13/2023 at 6:28 PM, ChitownM2 said:

I bought my current gamer irons second hand and have gotten along with them pretty well.  They were originally 2° up from Srixon standard and also + 1/2" (from prev owner).  When I got them I pulled the grips and cut them to std length and have been playing them ever since.  After going for a fitting recently, we determined that I'm not going to gain much from a new set of irons but based on the session, it does appear that getting back a couple of swing weight points would be beneficial to my dispersion and also since I'm not coming over the top as much as I was when I first got them, I need to go back to the std lie angle to help reduce some of my left misses.  

So the plan is to pull the heads and tip weights and then rebuild the same pieces with heavier weights to get me back to D2 instead of the C9.5-D0 they are currently at.  I have all the tools required to do that, but can't do the lie adjustment as I don't have the machine and wouldn't try it on my gamers even if I did. 

My question is:  Should I go have the lie angles adjusted and then pull the shafts and re-build or re-build them and then take them to have the lie angle changed?  In theory adjusting the lie angle would have a small effect on swing weight so I should do that first, but it's also possible that even with centering beads that I wouldn't get the shaft perfectly centered in the head so maybe it makes sense to adjust lie afterward?  Also possible that the differences are going to be so minimal that it doesn't make a difference either way..... 

The removal of 1/2" of the club is generally good for 3 sw pts. 

Flattening the lie about 3 degrees can have an affect on swing weight and length of the club. albeit small but there is a change. 

Centering beads will not make a noticeable difference.

For this task I would Take the clubs apart, add the weight, reassemble the check length and have lie adjusted to be on the mark when done

[ChitownM2]

The tip weights showed up today so hopefully I can get the clubs re-built in the next week or so and then I can get them off to a shop to have the lie adjusted.  After messing around it looks like D2 is about as heavy as I can get them because I have some Lamkin midsize Sonar grips on them and they add like 8 grams to the butt end meaning they take the swingweight down by almost 2 points all on their own vs the stock tour velvet grips which only weigh 50 grams.

Curious how others are able to get some of these heavier swingweights I've seen mentioned before.  If you play a mid-size grip or larger then you're already down 2 or 3 swingweight points from stock so even getting them back to normal can be challenging.  10g is the largest swingweight I could find and that would barelybe enough to offset some of the heavier grips out there.  Are people adding tip weights and then lead powder on top of that?