GolfSpy_APH Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 I went a little lighter and stiffer recently because i am swinging faster, but when I have gone heavier it just feels like a lot of work! As long as the flex (not stated, but feel) is to your liking and not too firm or whippy then I see lots of benefits to going lighter. Merlin1313 1 Quote as of Nov 6, 2023 (Past WITB) Driver: Paradym TD w/ GD ADDI 6X Driver Shootout! Wood: F7 3 wood 14.5* w/ Motore F1 Shaft Irons: T Series - T200 5 Iron T150 6-9 Iron T100 PW/GW Wedge: Toura Golf - A Spec 53,37,61 degree Putter: Mezz Max! Balls: Vice Pro Plus Drip (Blue/Orange) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 9 hours ago, richk9holes said: My observed loss of 8% yardage is what I'm multiplying. A full trackman captured 6i ×1.08 gets me the expected results I would see on course. As said above, I often note PH on a 6i strike I'm attempting 160-163 on course. Never have I ever in 60 hours touched a 16_ any number with trackman in 60 hours. New technology is incomplete, I'm not expecting perfect simulation. I'm also not confused about what hard numbers are in front of me. This and the 1.09 number are complete estimates of something as intangible as my anecdotal observation. based on this, you have no confidence in launch monitors; my next suggestion is that you stop using them. Or you can just realize that your results are about 10% off. I never said you were confused about you numbers; I was confused by the seemingly random numbers you were putting in your post. 9 hours ago, richk9holes said: And I said confined space as a final point and specifically referencing clubs 43" + that would not be my irons, I am not a gigantoid. It's a point about why my Driver avg on the simulator is 215 or so with better length on the course, and pretty much an aside. Point wasn’t about how big you are, but how you react in a sim space. Some people are fine others not. There are also multiple reports of people not getting accurate readings on launch monitors. I personally get pretty accurate results. 9 hours ago, richk9holes said: And a 6i rolling out 10 yards but an 8i rolling out 18" in the same 10 swing range session means it isn't the firmness of the imaginary fairway. Okay, but you haven’t said that before that I have seen. Good luck in figuring out what you want to do. Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: TM-180 Testing: Backups: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickyBobby_PR Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 9 hours ago, richk9holes said: My observed loss of 8% yardage is what I'm multiplying. A full trackman captured 6i ×1.08 gets me the expected results I would see on course. As said above, I often note PH on a 6i strike I'm attempting 160-163 on course. Never have I ever in 60 hours touched a 16_ any number with trackman in 60 hours. New technology is incomplete, I'm not expecting perfect simulation. I'm also not confused about what hard numbers are in front of me. This and the 1.09 number are complete estimates of something as intangible as my anecdotal observation. You don’t have carry numbers from on course and total yardage on course can vary based on course conditions and your shot at the time. Trackmans total yardage is based on its algorithm from the other day so comparing total yardage on the trackman vs the course isn’t real helpful, you should be comparing carry vs carry. You can use whatever numbers you want for estimating but imo they don’t make any sense and aren’t real useful. What do you mean new technology is incomplete? The issue you should be focused on which is a fear piece of information that can be tracked for profess is your smash factor, attack angle, face to path and club path. You are coming from the outside anywhere from ~8-11° that’s a lot. You have a face to path that is anywhere from ~6-11° also a lot. This is going to cause inconsistency in strike, lots of curve on the ball with big left to right slices or right and going further right. Your attack angle is carry from 0-4°. All causing a poor smash factor or bad strike. When you fix those the distances will go up and be more consistent. The question is whether the shaft is hindering your swing or not. That can’t be answered by anyone here and only thru some form of testing shafts and comparing numbers to see if they change or not. Based on the trackman numbers and without seeing a swing I would say things probably won’t change too much with a heavier shaft or a different profile. cnosil 1 Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickyBobby_PR Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 7 hours ago, TylorJudd said: I think this thread is getting hijacked a bit here Yes and no. There are things that have to be considered for shafts and the description on a webpage isn’t enough info to make a decision because the weight of the shaft, how it feels to a each golfer and how it feels in a club determine how it will affect the swing and club delivery. Some people aren’t as sensitive as others are. We all swing the club differently so even two people of same swing speed, handicap, age, etc can have different results from the same head and shaft combo TylorJudd 1 Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russtopherb Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 7 hours ago, GolfSpy_APH said: I went a little lighter and stiffer recently because i am swinging faster, but when I have gone heavier it just feels like a lot of work! As long as the flex (not stated, but feel) is to your liking and not too firm or whippy then I see lots of benefits to going lighter. Last year I went the opposite way - lighter graphite to heavier steel, both in R flex, and I found that my dispersion tightened up significantly. Next step for me is to go back to graphite but in a heavier weight. GolfSpy_APH and richk9holes 2 Quote In my carry bag: ST-X 10.5* Kai'li Blue R Flex ST-Z 15* Kai/li Blue R Flex ST-Z 4h Linq Blue R Flex Launcher 5h Launcher CBX 6i-PW CBX 54* & 58* Huntington Beach #10 e12 Contact CURRENTLY TESTING - Mizuno Long Game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merlin1313 Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 7 hours ago, GolfSpy_APH said: I went a little lighter and stiffer recently because i am swinging faster, but when I have gone heavier it just feels like a lot of work! As long as the flex (not stated, but feel) is to your liking and not too firm or whippy then I see lots of benefits to going lighter. According to the numbers- I went "lighter"(2g) but "stiffer"(Stiff to X) and got the ball flight I was looking for and the feel fits my quick transition a lot better with better dispersion and accuracy- FWIW. It didn't feel bad when I've gone heavier in the past- just didn't give me what I was trying to achieve even though it seemed like I was swinging "smoother" GolfSpy_APH 1 Quote ALL Paradym 10.5*(11.5*) (Hzrdus Gen 4 Silver 60/KBS TD) Apex UW 17* (Tensei AV Blue 75) Apex Pro 21 Hybrid 20*/23* (KBS Hybrid) Paradym 6-PW (Nippon NS Pro Modus 3 Tour 105X) Jaws Raw Face Chrome 48* (Nippon NS Pro Modus 3 Tour 105X) Jaws Raw Chrome Full Toe 54*/ 58* (Nippon Pro Modus 115 Wedge) Jaws Full Toe Black Wedge 64* (DG Tour Issue Spinner 115) WHOG #5 Chrome Soft X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richk9holes Posted March 21, 2023 Author Share Posted March 21, 2023 7 hours ago, TylorJudd said: I think this thread is getting hijacked a bit here I think there's a lot of information to process. I'm to blame for introducing about 5 different topics in one thread here. GolfSpy_APH and TylorJudd 2 Quote Finding a way to turn birdies into bogeys since 1992. #TeamChunks '23 Forum Tester: Elixir Golf Ball WITB:TS2 10.5° @ 11.25° Tensei blue AV 55 R graph•917f2 15° @ 16.5° Diamana blue x5ct dialed 70 R graph•Stealth 22° Ventus red 6 (non-velo) R graph• 699u 2i 17° tgi 70 R graph•24° Tour v 90 black pvd R steel•699 6i-PW Tour 110 black pvd R steel• SM8 50°/08° @ 52°/10° SM8 stock steel• Jaws Full Toe 56°/12° DG Spinner TI steel • c series DW 2.0 slant neck stock steel•Phantom 2 gps•Tour v3 rangefinder•Elixir golf ball• Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richk9holes Posted March 21, 2023 Author Share Posted March 21, 2023 On 3/19/2023 at 8:06 AM, RickyBobby_PR said: Why do you hit it high? Knowing why something happens goes a long way. Adding loft is usually why most amateurs hit the ball high. Shafts can influence that negatively or positively. Depends on how the change in shaft weight and/or profile affects the golfers delivery. What is your dynamic loft? where on the face are you making contact? whats your launch and spin? These are all things that need to be evaluated and then compared when you switch shafts to see what changed and how it’s affecting results This post was AFTER I shared trackman data. What are my launch and spin? About 6" above where you're asking. I have gotten some helpful feedback, but also some hasty responses of the generic variety that show little reading comprehension. Quote Finding a way to turn birdies into bogeys since 1992. #TeamChunks '23 Forum Tester: Elixir Golf Ball WITB:TS2 10.5° @ 11.25° Tensei blue AV 55 R graph•917f2 15° @ 16.5° Diamana blue x5ct dialed 70 R graph•Stealth 22° Ventus red 6 (non-velo) R graph• 699u 2i 17° tgi 70 R graph•24° Tour v 90 black pvd R steel•699 6i-PW Tour 110 black pvd R steel• SM8 50°/08° @ 52°/10° SM8 stock steel• Jaws Full Toe 56°/12° DG Spinner TI steel • c series DW 2.0 slant neck stock steel•Phantom 2 gps•Tour v3 rangefinder•Elixir golf ball• Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richk9holes Posted March 21, 2023 Author Share Posted March 21, 2023 Cnosil never said i was confused, Rickybobbypr did. I'm arguing with 2 people at once and they are getting defensive at the responses intended for one another. The 6i has a different shaft than the rest of the shafts, for those who missed that. The club with appropriate apex that releases properly is a mid profile (as per TT). The clubs I hit too high (yes now we established 99'+ is too high) are the ones with Elevate high profile (as per the same TT) Maybe I'm seeing what I want, but this is my empirical data. As far as not having carry data on course, my Bushnell tour v3 and Phantom 2 are offended. I always know how far I am trying to hit it and I can see where I land. Quote Finding a way to turn birdies into bogeys since 1992. #TeamChunks '23 Forum Tester: Elixir Golf Ball WITB:TS2 10.5° @ 11.25° Tensei blue AV 55 R graph•917f2 15° @ 16.5° Diamana blue x5ct dialed 70 R graph•Stealth 22° Ventus red 6 (non-velo) R graph• 699u 2i 17° tgi 70 R graph•24° Tour v 90 black pvd R steel•699 6i-PW Tour 110 black pvd R steel• SM8 50°/08° @ 52°/10° SM8 stock steel• Jaws Full Toe 56°/12° DG Spinner TI steel • c series DW 2.0 slant neck stock steel•Phantom 2 gps•Tour v3 rangefinder•Elixir golf ball• Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinjin Todd Posted April 12, 2023 Share Posted April 12, 2023 Shaft weight can make a huge difference. I was in 90 g stiff shafts before I got fit. When I did get fit my fitter said my shafts were way too light for my swing speed and tempo (~95 mph chs 6-iron). Ended up with 125 gram PX shafts. I actually swing them slightly slower but with the same distance and better dispersion. So yeah I recommend getting fit for your shaftsSent from my iPhone using Tapatalk richk9holes and Merlin1313 2 Quote Strength coach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richk9holes Posted April 13, 2023 Author Share Posted April 13, 2023 6 hours ago, Sinjin Todd said: Shaft weight can make a huge difference. I was in 90 g stiff shafts before I got fit. When I did get fit my fitter said my shafts were way too light for my swing speed and tempo (~95 mph chs 6-iron). Ended up with 125 gram PX shafts. I actually swing them slightly slower but with the same distance and better dispersion. So yeah I recommend getting fit for your shafts Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Thanks for the input. I decided to roll the dice and see if I would enjoy a 110g steel shaft better. After investigating buying shafts aftermarket I stumbled upon a set 6-PW on sub70 pre-owned section. They cost $55 each, less than buying Ebay shafts and paying for a head swap. And I still have my Apex irons intact if the experiment fails. This is what I meant by having a budget that a fitting would be deleterious to the quality of product I could get. It's really not intended to offend or demean the profession of any resident club techs here. If I had more money I would give you some of it. Anyway I hit the sub70 699s great with KBS 110 R shafts, the extra weight is slowing down my swing to what feels very optimal. No longer noting missed greens on front, if anything the common miss is now over the back because I'm getting yards after carry I was not getting with 100' tall 8 and 9i with the 90g shaft. Sinjin Todd 1 Quote Finding a way to turn birdies into bogeys since 1992. #TeamChunks '23 Forum Tester: Elixir Golf Ball WITB:TS2 10.5° @ 11.25° Tensei blue AV 55 R graph•917f2 15° @ 16.5° Diamana blue x5ct dialed 70 R graph•Stealth 22° Ventus red 6 (non-velo) R graph• 699u 2i 17° tgi 70 R graph•24° Tour v 90 black pvd R steel•699 6i-PW Tour 110 black pvd R steel• SM8 50°/08° @ 52°/10° SM8 stock steel• Jaws Full Toe 56°/12° DG Spinner TI steel • c series DW 2.0 slant neck stock steel•Phantom 2 gps•Tour v3 rangefinder•Elixir golf ball• Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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