Shot Scope X5 - GPS watch with club sensors

[MsWalkrOfSky]

I've updated the review! I added a video of my touch screen woes. I'm going to send it to the company, as when I contacted customer support about it, they asked for one. 

 

15 hours ago, JerryB said:

Or the Score Breakdown that stops at double bogey+.  I still have many holes that are worse and it's both difficult and somewhat frustrating to determine if I'm improving.

I really wish you could put in your handicap and tell it to use net instead of gross for stats like this. I feel like that would be a useful metric for everyone; how well did I play exactly compared to what my handicap is. I agree with you that at minimum, it should just have a score breakdown up to quintuple bogey or something. 

 

13 hours ago, cnosil said:

IMO, The device and the metrics are probably less beneficial the higher your handicap.  When you are scoring double or worse,  you are typically getting penalties,  duffing shots, and/or really weak in some other area.  Because of that it is a bit easier to assess what needs improvement.     I'd probably back off and use a spreadsheet to manually track some basic metrics like penalties,  double bogies, shots that result in having to play a shot that you can't get on the green and have to pitch out to advance, etc. 

I actually disagree with this a lot. With higher handicaps, unless you make getting better at golf your second job, manual tracking is a nightmare. Tracking what the hell happened when you hit 10+ shots on a hole is a horrible experience and incredibly demoralizing in a different way than looking at data that has already been put in. As an aside, for people that say after that many you should just pick up, as long as you're keeping pace or the course is slow, I entirely disagree with that philosophy unless it's to maintain mental and keep having fun. Not getting the ball in the hole robs you of the experience you get from playing from a crap location, awkward distances, while frustrated, which are skills every golfer needs to develop.

I think high handicappers want to just be able to get some fun data to see what misconceptions they have about their game, without putting much effort into figuring it out. Sure, they mostly know that they have a lot to work on and it's not super hard to figure out that it's basically everything. But this data can show when they start actually making improvements that aren't score related. For example, my partner had a fantastic round the most recent time we played. She lowered her handicap by 3 strokes from 45 to 42. She felt like she played well, but didn't realize how well in context of how she played previously. She tried to keep track of some shots, but quickly gave up due to frustration with trying to push her cart and mess around on her phone when she just wanted to be enjoying the pretty course and the nice weather. She would have loved to be able to see what shot decisions and what club choices helped her the most that day, but it's just not in the cards.

This device is spending money to save time that could be spent enjoying yourself, instead of doing golf homework on and off the course. You could get almost all these metrics for free yourself if you put in the work; manually tracking shots on your phone with gps with a free app then converting the data after a round to spreadsheet form to measure performance. I'd argue if a high handicapper wants data, there is no better way to get it than a system like this, and that data at all levels of golf is incredibly useful, as data doesn't lie to us like we can to ourselves.

[tony@CIC]

18 minutes ago, MsWalkrOfSky said:

I've updated the review! I added a video of my touch screen woes. I'm going to send it to the company, as when I contacted customer support about it, they asked for one. 

 

I really wish you could put in your handicap and tell it to use net instead of gross for stats like this. I feel like that would be a useful metric for everyone; how well did I play exactly compared to what my handicap is. I agree with you that at minimum, it should just have a score breakdown up to quintuple bogey or something. 

 

I actually disagree with this a lot. With higher handicaps, unless you make getting better at golf your second job, manual tracking is a nightmare. Tracking what the hell happened when you hit 10+ shots on a hole is a horrible experience and incredibly demoralizing in a different way than looking at data that has already been put in. As an aside, for people that say after that many you should just pick up, as long as you're keeping pace or the course is slow, I entirely disagree with that philosophy unless it's to maintain mental and keep having fun. Not getting the ball in the hole robs you of the experience you get from playing from a crap location, awkward distances, while frustrated, which are skills every golfer needs to develop.

I think high handicappers want to just be able to get some fun data to see what misconceptions they have about their game, without putting much effort into figuring it out. Sure, they mostly know that they have a lot to work on and it's not super hard to figure out that it's basically everything. But this data can show when they start actually making improvements that aren't score related. For example, my partner had a fantastic round the most recent time we played. She lowered her handicap by 3 strokes from 45 to 42. She felt like she played well, but didn't realize how well in context of how she played previously. She tried to keep track of some shots, but quickly gave up due to frustration with trying to push her cart and mess around on her phone when she just wanted to be enjoying the pretty course and the nice weather. She would have loved to be able to see what shot decisions and what club choices helped her the most that day, but it's just not in the cards.

This device is spending money to save time that could be spent enjoying yourself, instead of doing golf homework on and off the course. You could get almost all these metrics for free yourself if you put in the work; manually tracking shots on your phone with gps with a free app then converting the data after a round to spreadsheet form to measure performance. I'd argue if a high handicapper wants data, there is no better way to get it than a system like this, and that data at all levels of golf is incredibly useful, as data doesn't lie to us like we can to ourselves.

A few thoughts: The primary reason in my mind is to pick-up is to minimize slow play. If no one is behind you - hit as many shots as you'd like. Yes it is frustrating having to fiddle with the device and concentrate on your game as you're hitting shot #10. As someone who started golfing when I retired, I recall playing with a bunch of guys and one calling out  that's 11. Very embarrassing - something I wanted to forget and not have data on my phone or pc to remind me of it. As one gets better then it makes sense to start looking at empirical vs anecdotal data. I still consider myself a high handicapper(19)  but look at every round afterwards to evaluate it. I find some pleasant info - like pars and not so like blow-ups = doubles or an occasional triple.  The data helps me in working on eliminating those bad holes. And I also share the club performance data with my instructor so we have more concrete info to work on. My wife started playing at the same time I did - she's a 30 hcp but doesn't practice - she hates the range. She uses Shotscope as well - probably more to confirm some of her great shots (she's a long driver). . However, she wants to get better and is also beginning to use tracking data to confirm what she thought about the round. 

If a new golfer is a very high handicapper - I'd recommend that they probably delay  the purchase of a shot tracking product as they have too much to think about as they're hitting a shot or getting ready to step onto the tee box. 

[MsWalkrOfSky]

10 minutes ago, tony@CIC said:

Very embarrassing - something I wanted to forget and not have data on my phone or pc to remind me of it. As one gets better then it makes sense to start looking at empirical vs anecdotal data

Why do you think it's only useful as one gets better? What is the invisible line in the sand you're drawing here and why? I included the embarrassing part because that's the only reason I can think of to avoid keeping a score at all when you're a high handicapper. 

Also, it sounds like you friends are kind of assholes if they're putting you down instead of lifting you up in that situation; not really the most fun people to be learning something around. Just my opinion, golf tends to make people think it's okay to be an ******* to each other and give each other s*** in a way that wouldn't be acceptable anywhere else. 

 

11 minutes ago, tony@CIC said:

If a new golfer is a very high handicapper - I'd recommend that they probably delay  the purchase of a shot tracking product as they have too much to think about as they're hitting a shot or getting ready to step onto the tee box. 

I mean, having the shot tracking product when actually getting ready to hit a shot changes absolutely nothing about hitting the shots. Why would you recommend they delay the purchase, and to what point should they delay to?

 

As an aside, in most competitive things I've played or done, from playing magic the gathering to rocket league to soccer, there is almost always this attitude that data is not as useful for the people that are worse than you. The skill level of the person talking about it never really matters; they consider themselves past the line in the sand they've drawn, and to them, data is useful, so it must be that data is not as useful for people worse than them, because they've come up with so many more ways to use it since they started tracking and and and... They seem to miss the picture that the moment you start tracking and looking at data, you start to find ways to use it. Whether you use it for confidence, decision making, or to confirm habits and ideas that you've already developed, the data is useful. There's a reason that products like this can advertise that having them leads to lowering your scores by X amount. I honestly already have had my game changed significantly by the tracking so far, and cannot really figure out how I would have played certain holes without the assurance and data I have now.

I do acknowledge in my review that this product specifically isn't great for a high handicapper, but only because the app assumes them to be at a certain level, and that makes it rough to look at all negative data. The data itself would still be very useful for them, it's just presented in a bad way. I think that adding handicaps up to 45 would greatly increase the reach of the product.

 

Also, I am open to having my mind changed about this; I just haven't seen a convincing argument that can't just be extended to, if you're not a professional or close to professional level, data just doesn't help you as much as them, so it's pointless for you.

[cnosil]

5 minutes ago, tony@CIC said:

And I also share the club performance data with my instructor so we have more concrete info to work on. 

I think this is a great use for shot tracking since it give definitive data on what’s happening on the course and not a player’s interpretation.   
 

44 minutes ago, MsWalkrOfSky said:

I actually disagree with this a lot. With higher handicaps, unless you make getting better at golf your second job, manual tracking is a nightmare. Tracking what the hell happened when you hit 10+ shots on a hole is a horrible experience and incredibly demoralizing in a different way than looking at data that has already been put in.

Totally respect you opinion and you do what works for you.  I am looking at it from the perspective of a lower handicap player and I find the data overwhelming,  time consuming to interpret, and I question the value of the detail is provided to help me get better at golf.  Of course that depends on what data you are looking at and what analysis you are doing with the data.  
 

I  am a year into using the device and considering going back to just tracking some basic metrics and seeing how they trend over time since they provide me the detail I would need to assess my game.  

I personally think the Tiger 5 is very insightful and can be tweaked by handicap if desired

• No Bogeys on par 5s 
• No doubles
• No bogeys from 150 - hard but helps assess approach game. 
• No blown up and downs - basically get on the green with your first chip
• No 3 putts 

track these totals from each round  and if you do a graph in excel you can see trends and improvements over time.   Takes about 5 minutes to do so it isn’t overwhelming.  Post round I can make some quick notes if needed on why one of these happened.  

 

[cnosil]

17 minutes ago, MsWalkrOfSky said:

Also, I am open to having my mind changed about this; I just haven't seen a convincing argument that can't just be extended to, if you're not a professional or close to professional level, data just doesn't help you as much as them, so it's pointless for you.

I think data is important for all levels especially higher handicaps,  the question is what data provides the most value to assist in improvement.   

[MsWalkrOfSky]

1 hour ago, cnosil said:

Totally respect you opinion and you do what works for you.  I am looking at it from the perspective of a lower handicap player and I find the data overwhelming,  time consuming to interpret, and I question the value of the detail is provided to help me get better at golf.  Of course that depends on what data you are looking at and what analysis you are doing with the data.

Same to you Your opinion matters and I engage on here because I care and want to learn more about the thought processes behind different people's different opinions

I can see the amount of data being overwhelming. Honestly, I think for most higher handicappers, the most useful data will be the shot length they hit with their clubs, the average, max, etc. That, combined with what direction their misses go most often, can help shape their future rounds in a way that just practice wont. 

1 hour ago, cnosil said:

I personally think the Tiger 5 is very insightful and can be tweaked by handicap if desired

• No Bogeys on par 5s 
• No doubles
• No bogeys from 150 - hard but helps assess approach game. 
• No blown up and downs - basically get on the green with your first chip
• No 3 putts 

This does seem like an excellent system to measure improvement in different areas with only a little data recording. I might see if I can convince my partner to give this one a go until she ends up buying her own shot scope product lol.

 

1 hour ago, cnosil said:

I think data is important for all levels especially higher handicaps,  the question is what data provides the most value to assist in improvement.   

That makes sense. What data do you think would be most useful for high handicappers improvement? 

[cnosil]

31 minutes ago, MsWalkrOfSky said:

 

I can see the amount of data being overwhelming. Honestly, I think for most higher handicappers, the most useful data will be the shot length they hit with their clubs, the average, max, etc. That, combined with what direction their misses go most often, can help shape their future rounds in a way that just practice wont. 

That makes sense. What data do you think would be most useful for high handicappers improvement? 

That’s a good question and I think it varies based on the player.  People are high handicappers for multiple reasons and there isn’t just one area to focus on improving.   Just like stat trackers, break the game into these 4 parts: tee shots, approach, short game, and putting.  

for tee shots think about which direction they typically go, are you making good contact, do you get penalties off the tee, are you in a spot where you can advance the ball toward the green or have to hit out of the trees to have a shot toward the green. Simply label tee shots as good or bad 

Approach is probably the same as tee shots.

short game (50 yards and in) simply would be how often am I getting on the green.

putting would be 3 putts and putts missed inside 3 feet.  

Keep track of penalties: this kills scores immediately   

A prior coach of mine had me capture these:

• good or bad tee shot - bad was penalty or I couldn’t hit a full swing shot to go for the green.  Work to increase good tee shots 
• approach distance. - this will help you see if are hitting your approaches well; you can even note the club
• GIR/nGIR - did you hit the green or was the ball within 5 feet if the green (near GIR)   Look to make this number higher.  If missing the greens start thinking why which gives you a focus to work on.
• number of putts - this is simplified from what he gave me, he wanted putt distances but for high handicapper you are probably avoiding 3 putts or worse. 

Just jot these down on the scorecard and keep track over time.   the focus them becomes how do I improve each area.  Why did I have so many bad tee shots, why are my approaches not good, why didn’t I get on the green fro inside 50 yards, Dino I have direction or distance issues with putting.    If using a system like shotscope this is still where I would start.  I think the secret to golf is basically: Reduce penalties, reduce bad strokes, get on the green, avoid 3 putts.  Easy to say, hard to do.  
 

It should be laborious, simply look back at your round and ask yourself what needs the most help.  Understanding expectations is also important.  For example, People get mad for missing an 8 foot putt when the Tour players make rate is 50% from that distance.  From 100 yards in the fairway pros average just over 3 strokes to finish the hole.  

[tony@CIC]

7 hours ago, MsWalkrOfSky said:

Why do you think it's only useful as one gets better? What is the invisible line in the sand you're drawing here and why? I included the embarrassing part because that's the only reason I can think of to avoid keeping a score at all when you're a high handicapper. 

Also, it sounds like you friends are kind of assholes if they're putting you down instead of lifting you up in that situation; not really the most fun people to be learning something around. Just my opinion, golf tends to make people think it's okay to be an ******* to each other and give each other s*** in a way that wouldn't be acceptable anywhere else. 

 

I mean, having the shot tracking product when actually getting ready to hit a shot changes absolutely nothing about hitting the shots. Why would you recommend they delay the purchase, and to what point should they delay to?

 

As an aside, in most competitive things I've played or done, from playing magic the gathering to rocket league to soccer, there is almost always this attitude that data is not as useful for the people that are worse than you. The skill level of the person talking about it never really matters; they consider themselves past the line in the sand they've drawn, and to them, data is useful, so it must be that data is not as useful for people worse than them, because they've come up with so many more ways to use it since they started tracking and and and... They seem to miss the picture that the moment you start tracking and looking at data, you start to find ways to use it. Whether you use it for confidence, decision making, or to confirm habits and ideas that you've already developed, the data is useful. There's a reason that products like this can advertise that having them leads to lowering your scores by X amount. I honestly already have had my game changed significantly by the tracking so far, and cannot really figure out how I would have played certain holes without the assurance and data I have now.

I do acknowledge in my review that this product specifically isn't great for a high handicapper, but only because the app assumes them to be at a certain level, and that makes it rough to look at all negative data. The data itself would still be very useful for them, it's just presented in a bad way. I think that adding handicaps up to 45 would greatly increase the reach of the product.

 

Also, I am open to having my mind changed about this; I just haven't seen a convincing argument that can't just be extended to, if you're not a professional or close to professional level, data just doesn't help you as much as them, so it's pointless for you.

The great thing about this Forum is that we value each others ideas. so I certainly appreciate your points. Way back when I thought breaking 110 was a good result there were lots of thoughts going through my mind as I approached the ball. Today with the X5 in particular; unlocking, checking to see if the distance is right, moving the pin on the green as you're ready to hit an approach shot, etc. is just extra noise  that takes away from executing the shot well. Can a person (specifically very high handicapper) do it - of course , will it ultimately add value - yup. But could it have been a better strike if one wasn't fiddling with it - potentially. Do I have a clear (hcp) line as when it makes sense? Nope. 

As mentioned previously, my wife is currently a 30 and working on her game to drop it down. She uses the X5 (previously V3) to know the distances of her clubs. The data she's accumulated over the past 18 months is very telling for her - especially the Performance Avg. She uses that data as she's thinking about what club to use based on course conditions. She doesn't need the scoring feature - that's evident in the score card. Strokes gained ? Nope. However, she does like the hole performance (average score for a particular hole) as it tends to show patterns by hole.  So there is value for a high hcp.  Knowing her, at some point she graduate to using the full Shotscope capabilities. 

BTW was the guy who called the 11 an A**hole - yup - never played with him again. I play weekly in 3 different men's groups, 1 mixed couples group + my wife and I will play at least once a week. At all of those outings everyone encourages each other;  high 5's the great shots. share the pain of the lost ball and comments positively on our respective games afterwards.  

 

[JerryB]

Well said, @MsWalkrOfSky.  I wish I could articulate my points as well as you have.

 

7 hours ago, cnosil said:

It should be laborious, simply look back at your round and ask yourself what needs the most help. 

@cnosil I just want to be clear; are you saying it should, or shouldn't?  I agree with most everything you've said so far; I think most of what you've mentioned is covered by the SS stats.  The thing I especially like is the ability to take that data and filter the date to see...while maybe not what I specifically need to improve, but more of a positive affirmation that I am indeed improving.

@tony@CIC Your wife as an example is very much why I like using the watch, too.  I'm not a fiddler; all I need to do is glance at the F/M/B to get an idea of what club to use and then the watch has served its purpose for that shot.  I just would like to see Shot Scope help us higher handicappers out by extending their data into that direction a little more.

[cnosil]

57 minutes ago, JerryB said:

 

@cnosil I just want to be clear; are you saying it should, or shouldn't?  I agree with most everything you've said so far; I think most of what you've mentioned is covered by the SS stats.  The thing I especially like is the ability to take that data and filter the date to see...while maybe not what I specifically need to improve, but more of a positive affirmation that I am indeed improving.

sorry, I meant shouldn't.  

I do like what SS provides and most of it is covered with the SS stats in some way.  it just occasionally gets cumbersome to find what I am looking for since there is way more information than I need. 

[MsWalkrOfSky]

So, I just wrote up a massive response to everyone, accidentally closed the tab, and lost about 45 minutes of writing. Soooo, this will be a bit more brief I think

 

19 hours ago, cnosil said:

Just jot these down on the scorecard and keep track over time.   the focus them becomes how do I improve each area.  Why did I have so many bad tee shots, why are my approaches not good, why didn’t I get on the green fro inside 50 yards, Dino I have direction or distance issues with putting.    If using a system like shotscope this is still where I would start.  I think the secret to golf is basically: Reduce penalties, reduce bad strokes, get on the green, avoid 3 putts.  Easy to say, hard to do.  
 

It should be laborious, simply look back at your round and ask yourself what needs the most help.  Understanding expectations is also important.  For example, People get mad for missing an 8 foot putt when the Tour players make rate is 50% from that distance.  From 100 yards in the fairway pros average just over 3 strokes to finish the hole.  

We both agree that data is important. I think we just have different ideas of what is difficult to do on the course vs what is easy. For me, writing things down would be tedious, annoying, and detract from playing, as I'd have to do it right after each shot to trust the data (poor memory). To me, having a shot scope just record the majority of it, and if I forget to write a score down or forget to put the number of putts I had on my score, I probably have them. There's a lot of value in that.

I do appreciate some ideas on what to focus on when it comes to the data.

I also find it laborious to look back on my round and figure out what needs the most help. I'm not great at memory of similar events over the course of 3.5 to 5 hours; they tend to muddle in my head. By the next day, it's almost gone other than memorable moments. For example, I knew I needed to work on my putting, but I thought my approach game was pretty good. It is, but it isn't consistently good. Some days it's good, some days it's bad. Wouldn't know it without the shot scope.

For me, I think a big aspect of the shot scope is having a map of shots to help trigger my memories from the course. Seeing a 3 on a hole and remembering oh ya, I actually had a chip in birdie, that's crazy! Honestly, as a memory aid, I can't rate it high enough.

14 hours ago, tony@CIC said:

Today with the X5 in particular; unlocking, checking to see if the distance is right, moving the pin on the green as you're ready to hit an approach shot, etc. is just extra noise  that takes away from executing the shot well. Can a person (specifically very high handicapper) do it - of course , will it ultimately add value - yup. But could it have been a better strike if one wasn't fiddling with it - potentially. Do I have a clear (hcp) line as when it makes sense? Nope. 

I think you overestimate a lot of how high handicappers will approach hitting a shot. The vast majority just get distance to green, maybe front and back, grab a club, give it a whack. For me personally, the shot scope actually reduced the amount of fiddling I was doing; I was getting my phone out, maybe having to move the shot thing to the hole when it thought I couldn't get to the green, getting the front and back and mid measure, then picking a club and hitting. With the watch, I just glance down, grab a club, and hit. It's really streamlined my play and has just been fantastic. To me, if you're moving the pin, you should probably just have a rangefinder instead.

 

14 hours ago, tony@CIC said:

She uses that data as she's thinking about what club to use based on course conditions. She doesn't need the scoring feature - that's evident in the score card. Strokes gained ? Nope. However, she does like the hole performance (average score for a particular hole) as it tends to show patterns by hole.  So there is value for a high hcp.  Knowing her, at some point she graduate to using the full Shotscope capabilities. 

It sounds like your wife is an example of a person with a higher handicap greatly benefiting from this data. Sounds like she's using the features she likes and getting a lot out of it. 

 

14 hours ago, tony@CIC said:

BTW was the guy who called the 11 an A**hole - yup - never played with him again. I play weekly in 3 different men's groups, 1 mixed couples group + my wife and I will play at least once a week. At all of those outings everyone encourages each other;  high 5's the great shots. share the pain of the lost ball and comments positively on our respective games afterwards.  

I'm really glad you never had to play with him again. Growing up, I played with my grandpa and his friends, or with my grandpa and my rather toxic minded sports nut uncle. Both groups gave each other a lot of s*** on the course, and I've found I enjoy golf so much more when that isn't going on constantly. It seemed to kill the fun for all the people doing it to each other.

 

12 hours ago, JerryB said:

Well said, @MsWalkrOfSky.  I wish I could articulate my points as well as you have.

Awww thank you I appreciate it  

[tony@CIC]

7 minutes ago, MsWalkrOfSky said:

So, I just wrote up a massive response to everyone, accidentally closed the tab, and lost about 45 minutes of writing. Soooo, this will be a bit more brief I think

 

We both agree that data is important. I think we just have different ideas of what is difficult to do on the course vs what is easy. For me, writing things down would be tedious, annoying, and detract from playing, as I'd have to do it right after each shot to trust the data (poor memory). To me, having a shot scope just record the majority of it, and if I forget to write a score down or forget to put the number of putts I had on my score, I probably have them. There's a lot of value in that.

I do appreciate some ideas on what to focus on when it comes to the data.

I also find it laborious to look back on my round and figure out what needs the most help. I'm not great at memory of similar events over the course of 3.5 to 5 hours; they tend to muddle in my head. By the next day, it's almost gone other than memorable moments. For example, I knew I needed to work on my putting, but I thought my approach game was pretty good. It is, but it isn't consistently good. Some days it's good, some days it's bad. Wouldn't know it without the shot scope.

For me, I think a big aspect of the shot scope is having a map of shots to help trigger my memories from the course. Seeing a 3 on a hole and remembering oh ya, I actually had a chip in birdie, that's crazy! Honestly, as a memory aid, I can't rate it high enough.

I think you overestimate a lot of how high handicappers will approach hitting a shot. The vast majority just get distance to green, maybe front and back, grab a club, give it a whack. For me personally, the shot scope actually reduced the amount of fiddling I was doing; I was getting my phone out, maybe having to move the shot thing to the hole when it thought I couldn't get to the green, getting the front and back and mid measure, then picking a club and hitting. With the watch, I just glance down, grab a club, and hit. It's really streamlined my play and has just been fantastic. To me, if you're moving the pin, you should probably just have a rangefinder instead.

 

It sounds like your wife is an example of a person with a higher handicap greatly benefiting from this data. Sounds like she's using the features she likes and getting a lot out of it. 

 

I'm really glad you never had to play with him again. Growing up, I played with my grandpa and his friends, or with my grandpa and my rather toxic minded sports nut uncle. Both groups gave each other a lot of s*** on the course, and I've found I enjoy golf so much more when that isn't going on constantly. It seemed to kill the fun for all the people doing it to each other.

 

Awww thank you I appreciate it  

All great points. Sometimes we forget what it was like and what things were important starting out to improve. On occasion my wife and I will play with 2 different couples where the spouse is an occasional golfer. In both cases  (45+ hcp) they want to do better but have no clue how far they hit individual clubs. That's where Shotscope could help them - using club data.  

[cksurfdude]

Just a side note, re: approach data - in the User Group thread someone posted a short YT review and in it was something I find useful .. digging down to see your approach proximity by club.

What that person found was his shorter shots, with shorter clubs, were generally *further* from the hole vs his mid irons..!

So he discovered a pretty specific area to work on.

[nupezb]

I have a quick question. I'm planning to use a different putter tomorrow morning and I already have an extra putter tag installed. Would there be any changes I need to make in My Bag before playing? Thank you!

[cnosil]

10 minutes ago, nupezb said:

I have a quick question. I'm planning to use a different putter tomorrow morning and I already have an extra putter tag installed. Would there be any changes I need to make in My Bag before playing? Thank you!

If you are trying to compare stats between putter, you need to change what putter s associated with the putter tag in you bag on the dashboard.   Having a second putter tag only means you don’t have to take the tag off the other putter.   

[nupezb]

If you are trying to compare stats between putter, you need to change what putter s associated with the putter tag in you bag on the dashboard.   Having a second putter tag only means you don’t have to take the tag off the other putter.   

Thanks, so do I add a second putter to my bag? I did name my first putter. I was under the assumption when I put my new putter into play; the X5 would register it as a new unnamed putter.


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[cnosil]

1 minute ago, nupezb said:

Thanks, so do I add a second putter to my bag? I did name my first putter. I was under the assumption when I put my new putter into play; the X5 would register it as a new unnamed putter.


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You go into your bag, drag the existing putter off the putter tag and create a new putter and drag it to the putter tag.  I think the second club using the same tag will be yellow.  The tags are just tags and there is no difference between one putter tag and another.  

[BMart519]

Is there any more reviews of X5 usage? I have the V2 and V3. The V3 was a step backwards in terms of shot detection. I am wondering if this has improved with the X5. With the V2 shots would often register even if you didnt take a practice swing as long as you had the club in your hand for a long enough period of time. I have not had a round with the V3 where it has captured all shots yet and it's getting frustrating. 

 

[golferguy2727]

On 5/8/2023 at 10:18 AM, cnosil said:

I think data is important for all levels especially higher handicaps,  the question is what data provides the most value to assist in improvement.   

I wish I’d had the ability to have this data earlier in my golfing life. Of course we always sense our tendencies, but my improvement since using shot tracking has been greater than my ability to improve inn technical lessons. Knowing my patterns, strengths and misses has made me a “better golfer” based on score. And I enjoy it more as a result. It’s not for everyone, but for folks seeking ways to improve, it’s been an easier path to improvement than any other option for me.

[nupezb]

Is there any more reviews of X5 usage? I have the V2 and V3. The V3 was a step backwards in terms of shot detection. I am wondering if this has improved with the X5. With the V2 shots would often register even if you didnt take a practice swing as long as you had the club in your hand for a long enough period of time. I have not had a round with the V3 where it has captured all shots yet and it's getting frustrating. 
 

There are tons of reviews on this page and others. Bottom line: Some users are experiencing various issues while others are not. The current issue now is the X5 will cut out mid-round. Customer service is aware and is planning to do a firmware soon. Other users are not experiencing any issues.


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