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5 minutes ago, jnz12 said:

I hope it doesn't get too toxic in here but at the end of the day, this is what it was all supposed to be from the start. A supplemental exhibition league that was a fun change in the norm but didn't interfere with any major PGA Tour events. Jay Monohan created this drama because he was afraid of competition.

I know its not fact but I have a feeling this merger is happening so the PGA Tour doesn't have to use their own money anymore to compete and keep players from jumping ship and it's possible the legal battle wasn't leaning in their favor. I'm just curious when this means players from LIV will start competing on tour again and if LIV events will soon earn OWGR points. 

Yes, as the man said, all business.

My hope is that someone comes up with a new team concept.  There is nothing more boring than aggregate strokes.

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22 minutes ago, Preeway said:

While this does strike me as odd in timing, it makes complete sense. The DP was dying a slow death with a lack of sponsors and purse money to pare against the PGAT. With LIV going to a relegation approach it opens the path for those players to resume their pro careers after getting the boot. It probably means OWGR points for LIV tournaments as well. 

I'm guessing after this year, there won't be any more LIV tournaments.

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59 minutes ago, GolfSpy MPR said:

I'm going to need about two weeks to figure out what my take is on this.

 

57 minutes ago, russtopherb said:

Same. Need more info on this new "commercial" tour and how it impacts the non-profit PGA Tour, and exactly where PIF money is going.

 

56 minutes ago, GolfSpy_APH said:

Only two weeks? 

This is wild. So many knock on effects... What do I do with my fantasy team? Should I be running to the waiver wire to grab brooks and cam? 

 

47 minutes ago, gavinski91 said:

This is crazy, did not expect to see this news anytime soon!

All the guys that turned down big-money contracts from LIV to stay on the tour must be kicking themselves now…

I think this a great for the golf professionals,  and great for us viewers.

For players that didn't join LIV they have already benefited from the new elevated events and increase in their owgr due to liv golfers dropping. If they are now given flexibility to play in more countries(their home countries for the non us players) as part of the liv series and stay on the pga i think is a great deal for many of them. Cam Smith looked like playing the LIV event in his home country was a huge deal to him.

Obviously, details will have to emerge on how the elevated events work with the LIV events.  That's too many events plus the majors to be mandatory. 

Liv is at 14, plus 4 majors for 18 events(for those that can). Rahm, Speith and that tier tend to only play 21-24 events total in a year. so not as much difference as some in the media make it out to be.

But golfers getting more money i don't mind,  and all the golfers back playing together is just good for golf.

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I'm still trying to wrap my head around this news, but I'm hoping this means some of the big names on the PGA join some of the teams on LIV and then we can see some great team competitions going forward, instead of just stroke play every week!

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15 minutes ago, jnz12 said:

I hope it doesn't get too toxic in here but at the end of the day, this is what it was all supposed to be from the start. A supplemental exhibition league that was a fun change in the norm but didn't interfere with any major PGA Tour events. Jay Monohan created this drama because he was afraid of competition.

I know its not fact but I have a feeling this merger is happening so the PGA Tour doesn't have to use their own money anymore to compete and keep players from jumping ship and it's possible the legal battle wasn't leaning in their favor. I'm just curious when this means players from LIV will start competing on tour again and if LIV events will soon earn OWGR points. 

No, it is not a fact, merely conjecture, but I believe that you have made a good point here!

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18 minutes ago, MattNJGolfer said:

I'm not going to engage you negatively.  But you know what merger means. They will start earning world ranking points again.  

I get they will now be governed by a sanctioned tour but the approval still needs to be obtained because of the 54 holes and the limited field. The PGA Tour can't just have a par 3 tournament and automatically get OWGR points. The format will have to get approval which should be easier to get with the merger and I agree, I think they will get OWGR points soon if not immediately. 

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4 minutes ago, LICC said:

I'm guessing after this year, there won't be any more LIV tournaments.

I didn’t read that into the release today. I don’t see LIV going away soon. I see all three tours existing as they are but with easier pathways to go back and forth either during the season or at the end of each season. If anything, I think the KF tour has the most to lose here. 

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My initial thoughts go to Rory. Dude turned down the money and became the PGA’s white knight fighting the good fight week after week. He can’t be happy with this, at all. 

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I believe the ongoing court case had a lot of risk for the PGA Tour.  The big money from PIF and the downside of litigation led to this “deal”.

Hard day for Rory and others leading the PGA players executive.

Love how Norman just got a call at the very last moment when the deal hit the wire.

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57 minutes ago, Lacassem said:

Money always talks doesnt it? Tale as old as time, but I 100% am on this side with you, KETTLE BLACK is pet peeve.

 

... Money doesn't always win out as there are still some people and organizations that value integrity. But sadly more often than not you are correct and greed wins. Thankfully we have a video of the meeting between LIV, PGA and the DP Tour:

 

 

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Not a whole lot to say. This is unbelievable. 

Feel for the guys that JM trotted out to defend him for the past year. 

Also LOL that the biggest LIV talking point for the past year was that the PGAT had a monopoly on golf - so you're telling me it wasn't really about that????

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18 minutes ago, Thin2win said:

I think this a great for the golf professionals,  and great for us viewers.

I think it's terrible for the golfers for the most part. The ones who stayed loyal to the PGA Tour missed out on a boatload of money. And as a viewer, now I have to see Patrick Reed again. Lose/lose all the way around.

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Initial reports are that the Saudis will a make a substantial investment in the new entity and will become one of its main sponsors. Well if it was all about the Saudi money, I guess all the LIV haters are going to have to boycott the new merged tour, right? 

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52 minutes ago, StrokerAce said:

HV3 from the top rope!

 

Will you explain this to me? I have no idea what it means. 

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18 minutes ago, Tsecor said:

The PGA should have just waited it out. LIV was gonna fold eventually but now the PGA has egg all over thier face and are no longer immune from tons of criticism.

 

I think waiting them out became too risky. They have more money and the PGA was going to have to keep increasing their payouts to keep their top guys. If they waited too long, LIV could eventually gain traction and then a merger would be impossible. This was best case scenario for the PGA Tour (and LIV) outside of just doing this from the start like they should have. 

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1 hour ago, GolfSpy_APH said:

Actually my biggest question is where is the NLU pod. 

Here’s my biggest question - can we have a “Scarlet H” added to the user profile badge library? It will still be applied by request but there’s an interesting twist on this one.

Just kidding, I’m not kidding, just kidding, not even kidding, I kid, seriously though, kidding kidding…

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32 minutes ago, Preeway said:

I didn’t read that into the release today. I don’t see LIV going away soon. I see all three tours existing as they are but with easier pathways to go back and forth either during the season or at the end of each season. If anything, I think the KF tour has the most to lose here. 

I don't see how these LIV tournaments continue in their current formats. The merged entity won't want star players playing regularly in different tours.

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Just now, LICC said:

I don't see how these LIV tournaments continue in their current formats. The merged entity won't want star players playing regularly in different tours.

Agreed. This is likely the final season of LIV in its current incarnation.

I said from the beginning it would be good off-season team competition where the top finishers each season captain teams and draft from the voluntary roster to hold events globally for charity and outreach under the LIV banner, then return to the Professional tour schedule and LIV takes a back seat for 7 1/2 - 8 months of an abbreviated PGA/DP schedule.

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Isn't it strange that the PGA, DP Tour and LIV announcement is the day after the Saudis agreed to cut oil production to drive the price up. 

It's certainly one way of making sure no one talked about their action of raising the price of gasoline and other petroleum-based products on the American consumer.  

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Oil futures at $71.50 on wti crude. The markets don't appear to care they want to drive the price up.

Good thing we have a market based system.

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Add this to the list of things I thought I wouldn't see for a loooooooong time. Wow.

 

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17 minutes ago, Kenny B said:

So, now the look of the Ryder Cup is completely changed.  Rahm can now effectively  lobby to have Sergio as a Captains pick.  

Same with DJ for the US side. Probably won't qualify but it would be crazy not to have him on your short list of captains picks

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Not a fan of LIV, as I'm a fan of loyalty to the hand that feeds you, and personally I didn't appreciate what LIV stood for.  One thing I do want to say is if you're Rory McIlroy, you should be dang proud. 

This did not go his way, but my goodness he stood up and fought for what he believed in with such fire it deserves to be praised.  He was willing to bear the emotional and mental burden of fighting for what he believed in, The Tour, and it's clear it took a toll on him.  I guess I just think anyone who stands up for what they feel is right should be praised.  And I hope this deal sees him receive compensation for the great player he is.  

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Two words: Shock and Awe!  Shocked that an agreement was reached when there appeared to be so much animosity between LIV & PGA. Awe in that the combined new entity will have a chance to present the Tour with teams.

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What happens to Greg Norman ? The PGA gonna have to put up with him?

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1 hour ago, LICC said:

I'm guessing after this year, there won't be any more LIV tournaments.

If you get the opportunity to see the CNBC interview, you will come to a different guess.  While nothing is known, there seems to be a pretty definite interest from the PIF to make a profit.  Hard to imagine the plan is to do that with the DP World tour alone.  Maybe they get to own the DP USA.

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