Callaway Mavriks

[KevinJo]

Odd question....Callaway set Mavrik irons @ strong lofts... why is the A wedge lofted at 46* and the PW @ 41*.  seems to make my gapping @ bottom of the bag harder.  Anyone else with same issues

[Brooky03]

It looks like they have AW and GW.  The GW is 51*.  Are you able/willing to game the matched GW?

[KevinJo]

2 hours ago, Brooky03 said:

It looks like they have AW and GW.  The GW is 51*.  Are you able/willing to game the matched GW?

Yeah,  I purchased the 51* G wedge,  was just curious as to why they did this.  Seems like they maybe realized the gapping was way and developed a 51* since the AW is more kike the pitching wedge to me

[Brooky03]

46 minutes ago, KevinJo said:

Yeah,  I purchased the 51* G wedge,  was just curious as to why they did this.  Seems like they maybe realized the gapping was way and developed a 51* since the AW is more kike the pitching wedge to me

My guess is the SGI properties of the Mavrik irons were causing problems at the top of the bag for Callaway.  For instance, the 3-iron might’ve been launching much higher than a standard 3-iron, too high, and costing distance.  So Callaway turned the loft down to create a more comparable ball flight.  Once they did that, they had to do it throughout the bag.

Edited August 7, 2023 by Brooky03

[drb1956]

This has been a subject of discussion for a couple of years now that they are "loft jacking".. Nobody thought about the lower end of the bag, where you might have to add clubs if you play wedges to 60*. If they sell them in the set, say up to the AW, or GW, might as well buy them, then fill in the rest with specialty wedges. I won't buy a set of clubs if the PW is not 45*-46*. Back in the day a PW was 50*-51* on most sets. Now, a PW is 41*-42*, so now you have to fill in 2 clubs just to get to your SW, at 54*-56*, with reasonable gapping.. During a round, a buddy says he hit his 9 iron on that hole, and asked what I used. I said my 7 iron. He says he would have sailed the green using a 7. I said look at your lofts, as they are stronger than mine. He wasn't having it! I said you play yours, I'll play mine...

[Mr Orange]

51 minutes ago, drb1956 said:

This has been a subject of discussion for a couple of years now that they are "loft jacking".. Nobody thought about the lower end of the bag, where you might have to add clubs if you play wedges to 60*. If they sell them in the set, say up to the AW, or GW, might as well buy them, then fill in the rest with specialty wedges. I won't buy a set of clubs if the PW is not 45*-46*. Back in the day a PW was 50*-51* on most sets. Now, a PW is 41*-42*, so now you have to fill in 2 clubs just to get to your SW, at 54*-56*, with reasonable gapping.. During a round, a buddy says he hit his 9 iron on that hole, and asked what I used. I said my 7 iron. He says he would have sailed the green using a 7. I said look at your lofts, as they are stronger than mine. He wasn't having it! I said you play yours, I'll play mine...

I think golfers in general have to forgo the thinking of specific number irons and just focus on how far they are hitting their clubs. I recently got new mizuno jpx 923 hmp and the pw is 42.5 degrees. Definitely hit it further but who really cares that it says pw or 9 iron that it would be in other bags. I grabbed the 48 degree gw that goes with the set and then I have t22 wedges in 52/56/60 lofts. The wedges from gw to 60 in my bag are honestly the most used in my bag especially the 60. To me it’s really more making a bag a combo set by having say 5 iron through pw with jacked lofts then several forged wedges for more feedback/feel/control

[Stuka44]

17 hours ago, KevinJo said:

Odd question....Callaway set Mavrik irons @ strong lofts... why is the A wedge lofted at 46* and the PW @ 41*.  seems to make my gapping @ bottom of the bag harder.  Anyone else with same issues

This seems to be the way they do it, and I am no expert.  I have the Mavrik Pros, PW-43, AW-48.   The lofts, and the different gapping of them can be problematic.  It really depends on your game and what you need to accomplish.  Across the board the Mavrik Pro's I purchased were less lofted than my previous clubs(the reduced loft numbers, and how far I hit each club is specifically why I purchased this brand and make), in which I had an AW-50, then 56.  I got 105ish from 50, and 85-90 from 56.  I had no full swing 100 yard club,  after years of playing with this gap I calculated  that 52 degrees would be 100 yards for me.  I purchased them knowing I was adding another wedge at the bottom(to have a 52 degree 100 yard wedge slot in perfectly), because the decreased loft would allow me to rid myself of a 185-190 3h, I can cover this with new less lofted 4 Iron.   So I now have at the bottom  PW-43(120-125), AW-48(@110), 52-(100), and 56-(85-90).  

Edited August 8, 2023 by Stuka44

[Brooky03]

4 hours ago, drb1956 said:

This has been a subject of discussion for a couple of years now that they are "loft jacking".. Nobody thought about the lower end of the bag, where you might have to add clubs if you play wedges to 60*. If they sell them in the set, say up to the AW, or GW, might as well buy them, then fill in the rest with specialty wedges. I won't buy a set of clubs if the PW is not 45*-46*. Back in the day a PW was 50*-51* on most sets. Now, a PW is 41*-42*, so now you have to fill in 2 clubs just to get to your SW, at 54*-56*, with reasonable gapping.. During a round, a buddy says he hit his 9 iron on that hole, and asked what I used. I said my 7 iron. He says he would have sailed the green using a 7. I said look at your lofts, as they are stronger than mine. He wasn't having it! I said you play yours, I'll play mine...

Loft jacking is real, but there is a reason for it other than for club manufacturers to say their clubs are longer.  You typically see loft jacking get more aggressive as you go from normal 'players' irons to GI to SGI.  Because SGI clubs are meant to be the easiest to launch clubs money can buy, there's a tradeoff.  I'd bet the 51* Mavrik GW that OP bought plays a lot different than a 51* Vokey wedge.  It's going to launch very high, probably more like a 54 or 56 degree 'normal' wedge.  Height with irons and wedges can be a good thing... to a point.  Manufacturers are trying to prevent ball flights that are unusably high, with too much spin.  It's not that they didn't think of the bottom of the bag, it's that the launch characteristics of the clubhead are a factor when setting loft.

 

I think MGS has had articles that touch on these points better than I have.

Edited August 8, 2023 by Brooky03