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RR are you using a "traditional" putter or a long one anchored to your body? I think I might the different results as I have a 33.75" putter where just my hands sit on the putter and nothing else. I have seen a lot of people putt "side saddle" with belly length putters using this type of method looking at the hole. Maybe I missed that part RR sorry if I did.

 

KJ Choi has tried it wasn't lookign at the hole however :)


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I have had a belly, and a long, and a regular putter. I was using the belly initially and thought that was the greatest thing ever, but then Monday I went to Golfsmiths and used 40 different putters of shapes and sizes and found that it really did not make any difference.

 

I then took my belly putter out and my standard two ball, I played 9 holes each, I shot a 35 with 14 putts, and a 36 with 14 putts. Longest putt made with the belly 8' longest putt made with the standard length 7'. Shortest putt missed with belly, 6', shortest missed with standard, 12'. However, on the 6 footer I missed I was thinking about if I was playing enough break and not thinking about putting it in the hole. I played too much break and it lipped out. ( I then made the same putt 4 more times in a row once I knew the break and concentrated. But you can only count the first one.) That was Monday evening, last night I did not get to play just went out and putted on a couple of greens and came back home.

 

 

I will continue to game the belly putter, mainly because it is more comfortable on my back over the long haul, however, not having the right putter now seems more like a convenient excuse for failing to concentrate and execute the putt properly.


 

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Ah you use the cheater stick that explains everything :lol:, just joking around. Very interesting numbers in terms of distances, seems to be some over lap in terms of what average putts you are good with on each putter.


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Also, I take a traditional stance, paralell with the line. Also a traditional grip ensuring that the clubface is square with the back of my left hand. Another reason I like the belly putter is it (the one I have) feels very balance to me when it is square with my backhand. If it is not I can feel it is not. This was not the case with all putters, so I like that one best. One less thing to double check. I then put the putter behind the ball. And stare at the hole. I rotate the back of my left hand until it feels right. I sort of ask myself if it is right. When I feel it is right, I think to myself, that's it right there, and put my right hand on the putter and come back and through.

 

Even before I can see the ball in my vision I know if I made it, or not.


 

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JM or RR, this is a little OT, though it's definitely non-traditonal & I was wondering if either of you know anything about it or have tried it & that's the style(sorta side-saddle) that was in that movie where Bob Duval played the old retired tour player & the young tour player who just flamed out in a tourney & his car wrecked & broke down in the old pro's town....Seven Days in Utopia, I think...

 

Again, I can't think of the name of the movie, however the putting style that Duval showed the kid that was supposedly much more accurate than traditional method..I looked it up on the computer at the time & I just remember that the putter was pretty expensive for a basic, non-milled ling putter....

 

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I can not say that I tested it, but I have made a few putts that way but only when it did not matter. With the IPM it does not really matter where your feet and body is, it is strickly the back of the left hand for me. That tells me where the clubface is pointed. The book may not agree with that. In the part that I have read they advocate an open stance with the feet. I do not do that and honestly do not care. I only think about the back of the left hand and the target.


 

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Many of you have make the comment that you tried it a few times and it did not feel right etc... I understand this because that is exactly what happened to me on the chipping experiment. You have a couple of bad shots and throw this method in the trash. Which is ok with me because I get paid the same if you use it or not,:P but I will tell you what the book says about this.

 

 

This method originally appeared in Britain around 1973. A guy name Hunter Daick came up with it. He used a 2 3/4" hole rather than the standard 4 1/4" (I have no idea why) and he alternated between traditional look at the ball (LAB), and the look at the hole (LAH) method. He hit 500 8 foot putts alternating between 10 each way. He made 30% with the LAB and 40% LAH. Not really much difference. He then decided to hit 100 of each way not alternating. He made 30% LAB and then made 54% LAH.

 

By switching back and forth it is unsettling and makes it difficult to get into the feel of it. This was what I was doing 6 months ago when I abandoned it. The switching back and forth is bad. However, it is hard to "stay on the throttle when the boat starts taking on water."


 

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My local library has this book and I read it a year or two ago. Although I picked up a couple of useful tips from the book, I never seriously tried the LAH method. I have used it in practice and found that it does work well on what I would classify as medium length putts... six or seven feet out to 20 feet. I can't say that I tried it much on longer distances. For those that have tried this extensively, I'm curious how it works from 3 to 6 feet in a round with something important riding on the putt. If I remember correctly, that range is where I had some difficulty gaining confidence. Of course, I never worked on it very much.

 

I do believe there is an advantage from a method where you stand facing the hole, but I've never found a way to swing the putter easily in that position.

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Yes Richard you are correct, http://www.sevendaysinutopia.com/ the movie is based on a book this movie is actually a good one IMHO mostly dealing with the mental side of the game a lot sounded to be accurate.

 

To answer your question If i have tried side saddle that is a big negative, for as long as I can recall playing golf I have always putted with a blade style putter and a traditional length, I am sort of against a putter that anchors to your body in a location other then the hands personally but I won't make fun of you too much if you use one.

 

Great history RR I did not know that about the method.


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I'm curious how it works from 3 to 6 feet in a round with something important riding on the putt. If I remember correctly, that range is where I had some difficulty gaining confidence.

 

 

Will, I have not been keeping records that long, and did not keep track this weekend during the competitive money rounds, but I did not miss a single putt from the 20' and in on Saturday or Friday, no golf on Sunday. I do have good records for a few rounds, non money rounds, I am 25 of 27 in the 3 to 6 for range I am 12 of 13. No misses inside 3 feet and no 3 putts in 144 holes. And as far as when it counts, I shot a 75 and lost by one stroke when the handicaps were added in.

 

I did discover that my copper plated Scotty Cameron Putter works best with the Pro V1x on breaking speed putts but leaves other balls just short. My Odyssey Putter works best with Pentas and Pro V1's. These were all outside of 25' but the Odyssey and Pro V1x were all off the high lip where the Penta were going in the hole. The Pentas and Pro V1s were just short with the copper faced Scotty Cameron, and the Pro V1x went in the hole.


 

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On the last hole today, I had a 2 ft putt to make 170 putts inside 3 feet in a row and to shoot even par. Unfortunately, I was thinking about the number and not the putt and missed. A straight in, no break tap in, that I could make on my worst day, and did not even hit the hole. Had a three footer coming back. I am now at 1 in a row but at least I did not three putt so that streak is intact


 

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I tried this last night in a tune & tweak round. The course was wide open, and the playing partner for the evening was also just out there to get some swings in and to tinker with some things.

 

Short version, I can see where the benefit lies. I found the looking at the hole I was consistently putting with the right speed and was 'close' on the angles, but holed very few of the long variety (over 10 feet), Inside 10 feet, I found that I was holing them consistently, but no more so than normal.

 

However, I found an interesting tidbit. I have always depended upon my peripheral vision to supplement my rather poor straight ahead vision. Inside 10 feet, I found that using IP was very difficult because I could see both at the same time. Anyways, for me it was a fun experiment, but I feel more comfortable and consistent with the longer putts looking at what I am doing, not where I am going


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I tried this last night in a tune & tweak round. The course was wide open, and the playing partner for the evening was also just out there to get some swings in and to tinker with some things.

 

Short version, I can see where the benefit lies. I found the looking at the hole I was consistently putting with the right speed and was 'close' on the angles, but holed very few of the long variety (over 10 feet), Inside 10 feet, I found that I was holing them consistently, but no more so than normal.

 

However, I found an interesting tidbit. I have always depended upon my peripheral vision to supplement my rather poor straight ahead vision. Inside 10 feet, I found that using IP was very difficult because I could see both at the same time. Anyways, for me it was a fun experiment, but I feel more comfortable and consistent with the longer putts looking at what I am doing, not where I am going

 

I too initially found it great on the longer putts, but not on short ones. It is the focus on the hole thing that it really go good. I try to pick a blade of grass at the back of the cup to focus on.


 

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I have been reading this thread for the past few days and decided to give IPM a shot on the practice green today. I have to say that I definitely didn't putt any worse, and did notice that my distance control on long putts was pretty good. I can totally understand the "keeping focus on the hole" because on a few I started thinking about how hard to hit the ball and blasted it 8 feet by.

 

One of the main problems was consistent contact, as could probably be expected at first. RR, was there any tips on making good contact while doing this besides just continued practice? I found that when I was on top of the ball (eyes over ball) my contact was a bit better than my normal eyes over heel of putter stance. I am also using a Bettinardi BC2 right now and wonder if going back to my Heavy Putter mallet may be a good idea (seems more forgiving).

 

I can't say that this was a breakthrough for me, but the way I have been putting for the last year I am willing to try this for a month or so to see if I can improve. Great thread and great insight on this method RR.


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Practice, focus, practice, focus, practice on focusing and focus on practicing. Of course, if you do that then any putting method works.;)

 

I found that the putter made no real difference. I stopped at Golfsmiths Monday and used 40 different putters of all size and shapes.

 

 

I did not putt as well today as I have been. This was more of a focus issue today. I had a couple of three putts and some missed short putts but in every case it was definately lack of focus more than any other issue.


 

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I always used to be an instinct putter. I got away from that when I had an instructer frient working with me some. He got me too mechanical and that is when I started having bad putting problems. I even putted with a broomhandle for 2 years. Another friend of mine remarked i was always a instinct putter and what in the heck was going on with me. I backed off and punted as they say and went back to my old way of thinking and also went back to a conventional length putter. Now a year later I am putting good again. I guess it is the mental side of things


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I have a new putter that will be here tomorrow. I am getting a Scotty Cameron Squareback. I am on record as saying that when I am putting well, using this method it does not matter what putter I use. Last week I went to Golfsmiths and hit all kinds of putters. I have been putting extremely well lately, with the exception of Saturday, and I did not putt badly, I could not hit a fairway or a green and most of the time I was making a par or bogey putt from far away.

 

The problem is that eventhough I am putting well, I am not comfortable with the putters that I have. The putter I most often use is too heavy to get feel, another one the comes off so hot that I scared to death of it on fast down hill putts, and the third, which I like a lot, leaves black marks on my shirt.

 

Yeah, I know, what difference does it make if my shirt gets dirty playing golf. I am sweating anyway, its not like I am going to wear it the same shirt again with out washing it, I usually have dirt streaks on my shorts from wiping mud off the ball, but black rings on my belly are distracting to me. I am still losing weight and am not near as big as I used to be but I am probably more sensitive now about my belly that I was 50 lbs ago.

 

So when I saw I could get a good deal on the Squareback than I jumped at it. The Squareback it more of a center balanced putter than most Scotties so that fits my game better than the Newports, or Anser type putter.


 

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Personally, I don't think much of the 'science" in the book Instinct Putting, and also don't think you really have to KEEP aiming the face at the hole while making the stroke to benefit. The science says bad golfers get less bad, but does not address or discuss the science of how the brain works for distance control. All the chit-chat about shooting basketballs and stuff doesn't translate into swiping a ball across a green over breaking contour and differing green speeds to a target distance. there is nada in the book about how that works.

 

Do you need to STAY facing the target to get the benefit? No. Brain science basically says space intentionality tunes the body to protect against possible injury from collision with objects at the target space, like a wall. In putting, what really matters is intentionality to the space, and it helps if you imagine a possible collision with some sort of wall about 2' behind the hole, as that prevents going long, and paradoxically then translates everything into smoothly going all the way safely to the hole. "Facing" the hole is done by everyone who putts; the book Instinct Putting claims a special benefit from STAYING facing the hole while making the stroke, but offers zero science or even a credible explanation for how that might work, when what really happens is bad golfers get less bad. To get GOOD at distance control, focus on the intentionality NOT to go too far past the hole AND also to go all the way safely and smoothly to the hole, and then the body is tuned and does the right force. That's actually how basketball free-throw shooting works: see the back board and the rim and don't go too long an d then go all the way. No, you don't have to STAY facing the target, as the tuning of the body persists for quite a long period of time, so long as you remain on task to get a good result.

 

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Personally, I don't think much of the 'science" in the book Instinct Putting, and also don't think you really have to KEEP aiming the face at the hole while making the stroke to benefit. The science says bad golfers get less bad, but does not address or discuss the science of how the brain works for distance control. All the chit-chat about shooting basketballs and stuff doesn't translate into swiping a ball across a green over breaking contour and differing green speeds to a target distance. there is nada in the book about how that works.

 

Do you need to STAY facing the target to get the benefit? No. Brain science basically says space intentionality tunes the body to protect against possible injury from collision with objects at the target space, like a wall. In putting, what really matters is intentionality to the space, and it helps if you imagine a possible collision with some sort of wall about 2' behind the hole, as that prevents going long, and paradoxically then translates everything into smoothly going all the way safely to the hole. "Facing" the hole is done by everyone who putts; the book Instinct Putting claims a special benefit from STAYING facing the hole while making the stroke, but offers zero science or even a credible explanation for how that might work, when what really happens is bad golfers get less bad. To get GOOD at distance control, focus on the intentionality NOT to go too far past the hole AND also to go all the way safely and smoothly to the hole, and then the body is tuned and does the right force. That's actually how basketball free-throw shooting works: see the back board and the rim and don't go too long an d then go all the way. No, you don't have to STAY facing the target, as the tuning of the body persists for quite a long period of time, so long as you remain on task to get a good result.

 

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Well, Geoff welcome to the forum. I will not argue the merits of making free throws. I have not made one since 1982. But I will say that whatever the science behind this works for me. My handicap has dropped about 4 strokes in month since I started this thread. Initially, I kept track of the stats on putting and I think 144 holes without a three putt is pretty serious putting. Also, I went that many holes without missing a 3 footer. I think both strings were broken about the same time. I also have had a couple of weeks where I did not make any long putts but found out it was the stroke not the method. I figured that out and have been putting great with this method.

 

I am not real sure what you mean by facing the target. I have a fairly normal putting stance, the only thing is I am looking at the hole, while adjusting the aim of the putter face, once I feel it is right, I putt while still looking at the hole. My competitors hate this method of putting. They b itch ed about it several times today. I made six long birdie putts, I actually had more birdies than pars today, but plenty of bogies and doubles also, but not the putters fault. Several times they remarked that they think I should look at the ball and not the hole. I guess I should say that I did win today.

 

I liken it to shooting a shotgun at birds. I do not look at the sights, I look where I want the pellets to go. Same thing applies here. And it certainly works for me. It might not for you but it is not a question of the science behind it. It is a question of how your hand and eye cordination work. In my case, this works.

 

By the way, I used this method of putting for three years until November, when I went away from it. I started back and did not even know about the book until last month. I bought the book and just skimmed over parts of it to see if it is what I did. It is, however, I have not had a problem putting since I bought the book so I am not going to read it and have it possibly cause conflicting thoughts in my head.

 

Last weekend, when I could not make a putt, that was not totally true. I could not make a birdie putt and burned the edges like 12 to 14 times. I remember that one day I had 16 second putts that were less than a foot. That is not really a putting problem. That is more of a luck problem than poor putting. It was frustrating but more so because I shot a 73 when I could have easily been in the 60's with just a little luck.


 

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I got the book today, Instinct Putting, and gave it a quick look through. This is the method that I use and have for years. The general premise is that you need to focus on the target not the ball. When throwing a basket ball or football you do not look at your hand to make sure you release it properly. Hockey players look at the goal or the spot they are hitting the puck to. They also point out that if you are focused intently on the hole, than you are not able to worry about all the other crap that goes with a putting stroke.

 

I started doing this a couple of years ago and have been known as one of the better putters at the club. However, I was easily distracted, lost my concentration and began missing lots of short putts. Like an idiot, I decided that I would go to a mallet style putter, Odyssey White Hot 2 Ball, and this would solve all my problems. I began to have distance control problems with it, and then when my back became a serious issue I went to a long putter, Scotty Cameron Big Sur, and a totally different putting style six months ago.

 

Now that I have the proper shafts in my irons, and my GIR is way up, it really spotlighted my putting. Which has been degenerating for the past few months. The last two weeks especially. Last weekend, I hit like 14 GIR and shot an 86. It was infuriating. I decided that my problems began when I went to the new putter and new putting system. So I was going back to the method that I now know as instinct putting.

 

Wow. First off I had to get the right putter so I got the old putter out, Odyssey White Hot Mid, modified the shaft so it is belly putter, which it was originally, but I cut it down. I spent a couple of hours fitting it so that it was comfortable and the proper length for me. Then practiced it here in the living room. I also modified my game strategy based on the fact that I was confident that I could putt the ball into the hole.

 

Instinct Putting is not for everyone, and they say that in the book. If you are narrow minded and do not expect good results, than do not bother. But it is based on that you 3 putt not because you miss read the break by 5 or 6 feet but because you are short or long by that much. By focusing on the target, you end up much closer to the hole on the first putt and have an easy second putt.

 

It is true. But you must FOCUS on the hole. Today I had two 60 foot putts. The first one, on hole 6, one of my competitors had a 3 foot birdie putt. As we were walking to the green, I was ribbing him about me making the long putt and making his 3 footer turn into seemingly a 12 footer.

The day before we were on 11 and he had a 5 footer for birdie and I had a 40 footer. Right over his line. I told him to pay attention to my ball because he was going to need the line. I sunk the putt and left him so shook up he missed. I was determined to do it again. I made the putt but so did he. But in both instances I focused intently on the hole and nothing else. Two holes later on 8 I had another long putt. I was thinking about how hard I had to hit the ball, not the hole and came up 15 feet short. I was very mad at myself, but I then focused on just the hole and made the 15 footer. I also had a long one on 7 that I did not make but left it 2 feet left of the hole. Because I was focused.

 

Many people say that they can not look at the hole and hit the ball. BS. The ball is not going anywhere, and it becomes second nature. It is sort of strange at first, and sometimes, I hit the putt and think, where are you going, I wanted to go left, and then the ball starts to break and goes in or near the hole. Sort of like throwing a ball in the wind. You look at the green and say that the ball has to go into the hole at the 7 o'clock position, and then look at and focus on the hole and the ball goes there.

 

It is like Instinct Shooting. You do not look at the sites of the gun to shoot skeet. Same thing here.

 

I have experimented some with chipping this way also. It is a little bit trickier but I am going to work on it this week and report back.

 

Thanks for the great post. I too have been having some putting issues and found a similar solution in Dave Stockton's new book Unconscious Putting. His focus however, is not on the hole or the ball, but on the line. He encourages readers to study the green, find the correct line to the hole and then focus on the line. Forget the ball, just align the clubface square to the line and putt away with confidence. Since reading his book I've pretty much eliminated 3 putts, and more often than not end up with 1 putts or a few 2. Good read.


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Thanks for the great post. I too have been having some putting issues and found a similar solution in Dave Stockton's new book Unconscious Putting. His focus however, is not on the hole or the ball, but on the line. He encourages readers to study the green, find the correct line to the hole and then focus on the line. Forget the ball, just align the clubface square to the line and putt away with confidence. Since reading his book I've pretty much eliminated 3 putts, and more often than not end up with 1 putts or a few 2. Good read.

 

 

Thank you GG. First off glad to have you on the site and glad to hear from you. I slipped over and read a couple of your topics on golfgurls and enjoyed them a lot. I especially liked the one about beginner ignoring the rules of golf. I admit I had been playing for years before I found out that Mulligans were not really part of golf.:mellow:

 

As far as Instinct Putting goes it is really just looking at the hole. I still have a hard time just letting go and trusting my instincts and not trying to figure out exactly what the ball is going to do. On Monday, they aerated the greens, so they are not the best yet. On Wednesday, I had the best iron and driving day of my life and shot a lifetime low. But on Thursday and Friday, my back issues came back and I did not play well.

 

I figured out late in the round yesterday, that I was fighting my putting stroke and using the wrong putter, so today my goal was to look at the hole and point and shoot and not worry about the outcome. I had a bad day tee to green, just 7 fairways, and 3 GIR, but I had just 24 putts, and shot a 75. My putting was amazing and the six putts that did not go in almost did. Two actually were 180 degree lip outs.

 

I think we get too wrapped up in what the putt is going to do and talk ourselves out of making a lot of them. Or at least I think I do.

 

Well, I have to go see what stupid mistake every golfer should never make.


 

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