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24 minutes ago, jddaigneault said:

Such a bummer dude. I try to always preempt the conversation when someone is coming to a country club I don’t know. I play it off as the course has members who can be snobby about it and we should just be better safe than sorry. I’m sure the other guys are used to playing munis and never wear proper golf attire. I don’t consider myself a golf snob, but I appreciate showing up and seeing everyone dressed in nice golf gear. To me, it shows a level of respect to the game and to fellow players. There’s just a right way to do things. 
 

All this without pointing out how much comfier golf clothes are than jeans! Sorry you had to deal with that. It’s a gentleman’s game. Dress right, don’t cheat, and show courtesy. It’s not that hard, I don’t understand those who push back against it. 

My feelings are exactly the same as yours regarding the game.

...and you're right, they do usually play munis up on Long Island, as do I when I'm up there. Bethpage Park, and various county courses mostly with a few semi private courses out on the east end thrown in.

The thing is, it isn't even expensive to look presentable. All you need is a washing machine and an iron. You don't need to wear $70 Nike shorts or Footjoy polos to make a neat, clean appearance.

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58 minutes ago, Grand Stranded said:

My feelings are exactly the same as yours regarding the game.

...and you're right, they do usually play munis up on Long Island, as do I when I'm up there. Bethpage Park, and various county courses mostly with a few semi private courses out on the east end thrown in.

The thing is, it isn't even expensive to look presentable. All you need is a washing machine and an iron. You don't need to wear $70 Nike shorts or Footjoy polos to make a neat, clean appearance.

Country club golf is just different. And it is a private course, so they can stick to tradition if they want. 

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So, I played yesterday but that's not what this is going to be about. Instead, I want to bounce something off you guys, see what you think...
A longtime friend told me he was coming down here for the week with two other guys I played 2 or 3 times with him up on Long Island. I told them not to worry about setting up tee times when they got here, I'd take them out on some nice courses down here. I'm a member in The Barefoot Resort & Golf, so my 4 courses were a given. I also arranged a time at a very upscale private club called the Dunes, along with 2 rounds at True Blue & Caladonia. For those of you familiar with the area, that's about as good as it gets for a week long trip to Myrtle Beach. (Not to mention I was able to get them out on rates well below those guests usually pay)
So here's what happened. The first day we played at my club, my friend looked fine, but the other two were dressed kind of scruffy. They wore polos, but their shorts were more the type you'd wear for yard work. I didn't say anything, but yesterday was a different story.... We were at Barefoot again, and they checked in before me. When I went to pay, the pro came from behind the desk, and motioned me to a corner where other people wouldn't hear him. Apparently the two I don't know very well, showed up in jeans. He told me he was going to let them play as a favor to me, but they weren't to go into the clubhouse afterwards. I thanked him, but I was really embarrassed by this.
I went downstairs to the bag drop, and told them I just couldn't understand what they were thinking showing up at a private club dressed like that. I got some lame excuses, and we went out and played. About halfway through I hit a poor shot and one of them made a remark about "clothes not making the golfer" he's about a 25 cap and shot a 114, btw. You could tell he'd been waiting for a chance to make that remark...
That sent me over the edge, I told them I was going to cancel the rounds I booked for them, and they were on their own. My friend was in the cart with me, and he tried to be the peace maker. To be honest I wasn't in the mood. The best I could do was tell him I hoped it didn't affect our friendship, but I wanted nothing to do with the other two anymore. He called me last night and I gave him a list of courses they could call for tee times. They're all pretty great places to play, just not on the level of those I wanted to bring him too.
Believe me, guys, I'm far from a golf snob. I worked a union job for years before I went into a management position. I don't think I'm better than anyone, and never act like I am. I feel bad about how this turned out because a friend was involved, but honestly, I'm more than a lttle angry about what I feel is all 3 of them showing a lack of gratitude and common sense. 
Would any of you have handled this differently?

Old saying “No good deed goes unpunished “.
I’m not sure how I would have handled it as the older I get the less “filter” I have. I would have said something but how politically correct remains I be seen.
I do believe out of respect for you and the work you put into this to make their time a pleasant experience THEY should have enough brains to dress and act appropriately.



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7 hours ago, Grand Stranded said:

It's funny you say that. I actually did mention to my friend the first day. He told me yesterday he thought I was refrring to the Duns Club (Idon't know what difference that made …) He also apologized last night. He said the other guy had the jeans on in the morning, he just assumed he'd change before they left the hotel to play. Said he didn't notice what he was wearing until they got to the course. I want to believe him, but....

Yeah I don't think I'd believe him, after all who brings clothes to change into from the hotel. Sorry that happen  - unfortunately the situation will always be on your mind when you talk to your friend. Hopefully in addition to apologizing he also thanked you for the work you did setting up the tee times. 

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8 hours ago, Grand Stranded said:

The thing is, it isn't even expensive to look presentable. All you need is a washing machine and an iron. You don't need to wear $70 Nike shorts or Footjoy polos to make a neat, clean appearance.

For much less than a $70 pair of Nike shorts, you could find an entire golf outfit at a thrift shop. Polo, slacks, heck even golf shoes and a hat potentially.

After all the threads I have seen about what some guys find at the thrift shops, there really isn't a good excuse to not look presentable.

That said, I think you handled the situation appropriately. You put so much effort into creating the experience, sounds like they may have been aware of the sorts of clubs they were in for (especially after the first round) and they didn't dress appropriately or fully appreciate your generosity.

P.S. Keeping true to the name of the thread... How'd ya play? lol

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So, I played yesterday but that's not what this is going to be about. Instead, I want to bounce something off you guys, see what you think...

A longtime friend told me he was coming down here for the week with two other guys I played 2 or 3 times with him up on Long Island. I told them not to worry about setting up tee times when they got here, I'd take them out on some nice courses down here. I'm a member in The Barefoot Resort & Golf, so my 4 courses were a given. I also arranged a time at a very upscale private club called the Dunes, along with 2 rounds at True Blue & Caladonia. For those of you familiar with the area, that's about as good as it gets for a week long trip to Myrtle Beach. (Not to mention I was able to get them out on rates well below those guests usually pay)

So here's what happened. The first day we played at my club, my friend looked fine, but the other two were dressed kind of scruffy. They wore polos, but their shorts were more the type you'd wear for yard work. I didn't say anything, but yesterday was a different story.... We were at Barefoot again, and they checked in before me. When I went to pay, the pro came from behind the desk, and motioned me to a corner where other people wouldn't hear him. Apparently the two I don't know very well, showed up in jeans. He told me he was going to let them play as a favor to me, but they weren't to go into the clubhouse afterwards. I thanked him, but I was really embarrassed by this.

I went downstairs to the bag drop, and told them I just couldn't understand what they were thinking showing up at a private club dressed like that. I got some lame excuses, and we went out and played. About halfway through I hit a poor shot and one of them made a remark about "clothes not making the golfer" he's about a 25 cap and shot a 114, btw. You could tell he'd been waiting for a chance to make that remark...

That sent me over the edge, I told them I was going to cancel the rounds I booked for them, and they were on their own. My friend was in the cart with me, and he tried to be the peace maker. To be honest I wasn't in the mood. The best I could do was tell him I hoped it didn't affect our friendship, but I wanted nothing to do with the other two anymore. He called me last night and I gave him a list of courses they could call for tee times. They're all pretty great places to play, just not on the level of those I wanted to bring him too.

Believe me, guys, I'm far from a golf snob. I worked a union job for years before I went into a management position. I don't think I'm better than anyone, and never act like I am. I feel bad about how this turned out because a friend was involved, but honestly, I'm more than a lttle angry about what I feel is all 3 of them showing a lack of gratitude and common sense. 

Would any of you have handled this differently?

 

... If you did not tell your friend to let his buddies know they were going to be playing a nice course so a dress code is required, some of the blame is yours. But the majority of the blame goes to your friend. If he is bringing his buddies, it is up to him to let them know they need to wear proper attire. He!!, many clubs will let you play in a nice clean tee shirt if you are wearing normal golf shorts or pants. In your defense, I would think everyone knows to wear appropriate shorts/pants and a collared shirt when playing anything but a typical muni. I play 2 munis as part of my regular rotation. One lets you wear jeans/cargo pants and the other requires proper attire. The interesting thing is the more lax muni is in a more upscale white collar community and the one with stricter rules is in a blue collar community. Ya never know. And finally you did a reasonable thing in the end and that course set up was awesome and a shame they did not appreciate it. But hey, they were from NY so Fugget-a-bouwt-it! 

... I was invited to play Firerock CC in Phoenix by 2 friends of my brother in law after a birthday party we attended. I was dressed nicely as all 10 people there were gay, very wealthy and dressed really, really well. When she called me to tell me the tee time she said she didn't want to be offensive but she knew I was an actor and wanted to be sure I knew a proper dress code and a collared golf shirt was required. I took no offense at all. 

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... If you did not tell your friend to let his buddies know they were going to be playing a nice course so a dress code is required, some of the blame is yours. But the majority of the blame goes to your friend. If he is bringing his buddies, it is up to him to let them know they need to wear proper attire. He!!, many clubs will let you play in a nice clean tee shirt if you are wearing normal golf shorts or pants. In your defense, I would think everyone knows to ear appropriate shorts/pants and a collared shirt when playing anything but a typical muni. I play 2 munis as part of my regular rotation. One lets you wear jeans/cargo pants and the other requires proper attire. The interesting thing is the more lax muni is in a more upscale white collar community and the one with stricter rules is in a blue collar community. Ya never know. And finally you did a reasonable thing in the end and that course set up was awesome and a shame they did not appreciate it. But hey, they were from NY so Fugget-a-bouwt-it! 

... I was invited to play Firerock CC in Phoenix by 2 friends of my brother in law after a birthday party we attended. I was dressed nicely as all 10 people there were gay, very wealthy and dressed really, really well. When she called me to tell me the tee time she said she didn't want to be offensive but she knew I was an actor and wanted to be sure I knew a proper dress code and a collared golf shirt was required. I took no offense at all. 

Believe me, I thought long and hard about this the night everything went down. I even talked about it on the phone with one of my sisters, who's very close with my friend and his wife also. Her first reaction (she's not a golfer) was similar to what you said in your first sentence. Here were my issues with that....

1.    All 3 of them have been to this area on golf trips before. My friend and his wife come down every year on a two week golf vacation, and stay in my development. He knows the lay of the land.

2.   I don't take a lot of "golf vacations". The reason being, I live here and spend a lot of time up on Long Island. Both areas have some of the best golf you'll find, so when I think "vacation" I'm thing of a break from golf. That said, I can't imagine packing for a golf trip, and thinking "so I'll go with the old cargo shorts on Sunday, the beat up Wranglers on Monday, then on Tuesday..."

Maybe its me, but if I were going on a golf trip, (especially one where someone was setting up my playing schedule at his club and others) I'd make it a point to pack proper golf attire instead of the jeans and cargos.

 

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54 minutes ago, Grand Stranded said:

Believe me, I thought long and hard about this the night everything went down. I even talked about it on the phone with one of my sisters, who's very close with my friend and his wife also. Her first reaction (she's not a golfer) was similar to what you said in your first sentence. Here were my issues with that....

1.    All 3 of them have been to this area on golf trips down here many times. My friend and his wife come down every year on a two week golf vacation, and stay in my development.

2.    Maybe I'm wrong here, because I don't take a lot of "golf vacations". The reason being I live here, and spend a lot of time up on Long Island. Both areas have some of the best golf you'll find, and when I think "vacation" I'm thing of a break from golf. That said, I can't imagine packing for a golf trip, and thinking "so I'll wear these old cargo shorts on Sunday, go with the beat up Wranglers on Monday, then on Tuesday..." Maybe its me, but if I were going on a golf trip, (especially one where someone was setting up my playing schedule at his club and others) I'd make it a point to pack proper golf attire instead of the jeans and cargos.

 

 

...  I feel the same way you do. I really can't imagine going to any golf course I don't know and not wearing proper golf attire. Although I also wear proper golf attire at courses I do know. The exception being my local muni when it is cold and I wear flannel lined jeans, where I know they are allowed. Rare because I don't like playing in the cold. But my point was the world is filled with uneducated, selfish morons. Look how many people aren't wearing masks or social distancing in stores, drive their carts just off the cart path by the tee/green saving 2 steps but destroying the grass, play music so loud it disturbs others on the course and not repairing ball marks or replacing divots. These are all things most of us would never do, but we see it all too often. 

... I also see questionable wardrobes all the time on resort golf courses in Orlando/Myrtle/Phoenix and just shake my head. One of the motto's I try and live my life by is I would rather hear something I already know than not hear something I don't know. It is so easy to say "Just a heads up but these courses require proper golf shorts/pants and collared shirts" assuming the vast majority of the time I will hear of course they know that, but so easy to say and for me at least I find it is always better to be safe than sorry. 

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Thursday 2 over, chipping and putting really well, spoiled a bit by an OB at 16. My excuse is that there is a tree overhanging the green and the placed the flag right under one of the branches. Pulled my 9i a little hit the branches and deflected OB.

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4 hours ago, Grand Stranded said:

Believe me, I thought long and hard about this the night everything went down. I even talked about it on the phone with one of my sisters, who's very close with my friend and his wife also. Her first reaction (she's not a golfer) was similar to what you said in your first sentence. Here were my issues with that....

1.    All 3 of them have been to this area on golf trips before. My friend and his wife come down every year on a two week golf vacation, and stay in my development. He knows the lay of the land.

2.   I don't take a lot of "golf vacations". The reason being, I live here and spend a lot of time up on Long Island. Both areas have some of the best golf you'll find, so when I think "vacation" I'm thing of a break from golf. That said, I can't imagine packing for a golf trip, and thinking "so I'll go with the old cargo shorts on Sunday, the beat up Wranglers on Monday, then on Tuesday..."

Maybe its me, but if I were going on a golf trip, (especially one where someone was setting up my playing schedule at his club and others) I'd make it a point to pack proper golf attire instead of the jeans and cargos.

 

I wouldn't overthink this or let it bother you (it would me as well). Some people just don't care and unfortunately you don't have to look too far to see that. Just yesterday my wife and I were in a Walmart and a gal came in wearing a skimpy bathing suit. Yes she did have a mask - and it was possibly larger than her bathing suit. Some people just don't get it. 

Lesson learned - don't invite your friend back. 

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2 minutes ago, tony@CIC said:

I wouldn't overthink this or let it bother you (it would me as well). Some people just don't care and unfortunately you don't have to look too far to see that. Just yesterday my wife and I were in a Walmart and a gal came in wearing a skimpy bathing suit. Yes she did have a mask - and it was possibly larger than her bathing suit. Some people just don't get it. 

Lesson learned - don't invite your friend back. 

Did you happen to get a picture of the girl in the skimpy bathing suit, Tony? Just wondering. It's not like we'd be interested in seeing anything like that...😇

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5 minutes ago, Grand Stranded said:

Did you happen to get a picture of the girl in the skimpy bathing suit, Tony? Just wondering. It's not like we'd be interested in seeing anything like that...😇

I had my wife with me. She would have broken my phone if I tried. 😂

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19 hours ago, Grand Stranded said:

 

Would any of you have handled this differently?

I probably would have handled in pretty much the same way.   Most golfers understand that most private clubs and resort courses will have a dress code.  Apparently, this guy didn't understand that.  His disrespect to you was unacceptable IMO.

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Well, I played the front side fairly well.  A poorly executed hole led to a double on the front for a 38.  Then, an alien entered my body for the backside.  I don't know if I lost focus or what, but I struggled big time shooting 43 on the back for an 81.

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20 hours ago, Grand Stranded said:

So, I played yesterday but that's not what this is going to be about. Instead, I want to bounce something off you guys, see what you think...

A longtime friend told me he was coming down here for the week with two other guys I played 2 or 3 times with him up on Long Island. I told them not to worry about setting up tee times when they got here, I'd take them out on some nice courses down here. I'm a member in The Barefoot Resort & Golf, so my 4 courses were a given. I also arranged a time at a very upscale private club called the Dunes, along with 2 rounds at True Blue & Caladonia. For those of you familiar with the area, that's about as good as it gets for a week long trip to Myrtle Beach. (Not to mention I was able to get them out on rates well below those guests usually pay)

So here's what happened. The first day we played at my club, my friend looked fine, but the other two were dressed kind of scruffy. They wore polos, but their shorts were more the type you'd wear for yard work. I didn't say anything, but yesterday was a different story.... We were at Barefoot again, and they checked in before me. When I went to pay, the pro came from behind the desk, and motioned me to a corner where other people wouldn't hear him. Apparently the two I don't know very well, showed up in jeans. He told me he was going to let them play as a favor to me, but they weren't to go into the clubhouse afterwards. I thanked him, but I was really embarrassed by this.

I went downstairs to the bag drop, and told them I just couldn't understand what they were thinking showing up at a private club dressed like that. I got some lame excuses, and we went out and played. About halfway through I hit a poor shot and one of them made a remark about "clothes not making the golfer" he's about a 25 cap and shot a 114, btw. You could tell he'd been waiting for a chance to make that remark...

That sent me over the edge, I told them I was going to cancel the rounds I booked for them, and they were on their own. My friend was in the cart with me, and he tried to be the peace maker. To be honest I wasn't in the mood. The best I could do was tell him I hoped it didn't affect our friendship, but I wanted nothing to do with the other two anymore. He called me last night and I gave him a list of courses they could call for tee times. They're all pretty great places to play, just not on the level of those I wanted to bring him too.

Believe me, guys, I'm far from a golf snob. I worked a union job for years before I went into a management position. I don't think I'm better than anyone, and never act like I am. I feel bad about how this turned out because a friend was involved, but honestly, I'm more than a lttle angry about what I feel is all 3 of them showing a lack of gratitude and common sense. 

Would any of you have handled this differently?

No. I would have not handled it any different. In my opinion, your friend knew your club and should have told the other two in advance to be prepared to wear something decent. I feel that all golfers should be prepared to dress appropriately while playing golf. It should not matter if it's a private, semi-private or public course. Kudos to you and maybe they learned a lesson in golf etiquette.

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10 hours ago, chisag said:

 

...  I feel the same way you do. I really can't imagine going to any golf course I don't know and not wearing proper golf attire. Although I also wear proper golf attire at courses I do know.

and not repairing ball marks or replacing divots. These are all things most of us would never do, but we see it all too often. 

 

I wear golf clothes no matter where I play, never even considered golfing in jeans... Costco has it all for very cheap. And I wear my "good stuff" when I know Im going to a nice club.

not repairing ball marks or replacing divots... I learned from an old goat years ago to respect the grass. Because you will probably land in a divot for every one you don't fix. Ive turned into the guy who uses both sand fill jugs each side filling the endless divots. Probably since I play the same track 90% of the time. You would think that other people would see all the repaired areas, and think about fixing their own... but sadly, I find many new ones every day... But oddly, most seem to fix the greens thank goodness...

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