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6 minutes ago, bens197 said:

 

 

We've all heard that a majority of our strokes occur around the green...and while that's 100% accurate, I never gave that the attention it deserved.  This season I started putting in the reps with the putter and wedges and really gave my effort to those swings.

It's amazing as you guys have said, the dividends paid by putting reps into those shots.  Not only do they repair any issues with a larger swing, the confidence that I myself gained make me feel so much better when I play a round where I need to grind.  I don't like that round grind me, I grind it back!

Yes Arccos was my eye opener, I dont need to focus off the tee. I am losing so much 150 and in, this year is my "moving day". I am not worried as much about hoseling one from 30 yards out, the past 3 rounds were extremely reassuring of my off season work.

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... This is why we are all here, to share and discuss golf so thanks for your reply as well as others that chimmed in. My post was a little too broad and I do not normally choke down for standard pitches. As I said when standing closer to the ball I do, and this is always a short pitch around the green where I need to use the bounce or open the face for a controlled short shot. I do choke down for all of my chipping by about 3/4", not much but it makes a big difference in my posture. The Captain Obvious was conventional wisdom and again doesn't apply to everyone. Raymond Floyd is regarded by many as one of the best chippers ever and his technique was not conventional. There is also a difference of opinion on having the ball back in your stance and using the leading edge or more forward and using the bounce. There just is no one way that works best for all. 

... There are quite a few reasons other than when standing closer you need to choke down, like counter balancing the shaft and of course just more control. But golf is a very unique and personal endeavor and there are basics that usually work for the majority but certainly not for all. If you have learned to chip without choking down and consider it a strength of your game there is no reason to change, although I have always been a fan of experimenting ng because you never know when something will cause an improvement. My post was in response to quite a few chipping problems people were listing especially fat, thin and bladed. I would add I was surprised how many students thought of pitching and chipping as the same thing so sorry for generalizing. You stated you don't choke down from 20 yds out which is truly a pitch and not a long chip. 

... I am never too old to learn, these fast hard fairways and areas around the greens in Phoenix combined with Bermuda grain has dictated I learn a new short game. 10yds off the green with a front pin I would hit an aggressive pitch that would hit and take a mini hop and stop back dead in the midwest. That was my go to shot and rarely hit any kind of running shot even to a back pin. The lies are so tight here and if the grain is growing away that shot is impossible and I have had to learn to hit longer running chips both through the fairway or on the green.  

... There are plenty of videos out there and here is a classic technique from Brad Faxon with several options around the green. Notice he chokes down about 3/4" for his standard chips but does not mention it. In fact many chipping video's don't mention choking down a little but it is obvious the instructor is doing it. 
 

 

I used the hybrid for off the green and specially if I have a long way to go to the flag.
and have choke down on my wedges when chipping. I found that I was more consistent with the stroke, and was using the bounce more.  I don't even think about it, its automatic..

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Local Golf Course was 1/2 mile from our house.  I was there many evenings in the practice green, chipping area or walking a few holes before dark.  Rarely beat balls in the range, I loved working on short game.

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On 5/10/2021 at 1:06 PM, chisag said:

 

... This is why we are all here, to share and discuss golf so thanks for your reply as well as others that chimmed in. My post was a little too broad and I do not normally choke down for standard pitches. As I said when standing closer to the ball I do, and this is always a short pitch around the green where I need to use the bounce or open the face for a controlled short shot. I do choke down for all of my chipping by about 3/4", not much but it makes a big difference in my posture. The Captain Obvious was conventional wisdom and again doesn't apply to everyone. Raymond Floyd is regarded by many as one of the best chippers ever and his technique was not conventional. There is also a difference of opinion on having the ball back in your stance and using the leading edge or more forward and using the bounce. There just is no one way that works best for all. 

... There are quite a few reasons other than when standing closer you need to choke down, like counter balancing the shaft and of course just more control. But golf is a very unique and personal endeavor and there are basics that usually work for the majority but certainly not for all. If you have learned to chip without choking down and consider it a strength of your game there is no reason to change, although I have always been a fan of experimenting ng because you never know when something will cause an improvement. My post was in response to quite a few chipping problems people were listing especially fat, thin and bladed. I would add I was surprised how many students thought of pitching and chipping as the same thing so sorry for generalizing. You stated you don't choke down from 20 yds out which is truly a pitch and not a long chip. 

... I am never too old to learn, these fast hard fairways and areas around the greens in Phoenix combined with Bermuda grain has dictated I learn a new short game. 10yds off the green with a front pin I would hit an aggressive pitch that would hit and take a mini hop and stop back dead in the midwest. That was my go to shot and rarely hit any kind of running shot even to a back pin. The lies are so tight here and if the grain is growing away that shot is impossible and I have had to learn to hit longer running chips both through the fairway or on the green.  

... There are plenty of videos out there and here is a classic technique from Brad Faxon with several options around the green. Notice he chokes down about 3/4" for his standard chips but does not mention it. In fact many chipping video's don't mention choking down a little but it is obvious the instructor is doing it. 
 

 

Great post...like you I appreciate the back and forth.  Just circling back since I mentioned Dave Stockton's "Unconscious Scoring," and while I won't quote him at length he basically says that in his experience choking down leads to too much speed in the chipping motion...that it creates fast hands instead of the longer stroke/swing he prefers.

Ironically, he follows up by saying there are many ways to do it; mentions Hubert Green as having the second best short game he's ever seen (behind Raymond Floyd) and then says he didn't agree with any of the mechanics Green employed to get it done! 

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2 minutes ago, edingc said:

- 44/48 = 92 / 90 ESC (+19) 
- 4/13 FIR
- 3/18 GIR (1 birdie) 
- 31 Putts (1 3-putts, 11 2-putts, 6 1-putts) - Had three lip out on me... blah.

Had a free greens fee that expired this week at the condo course I play occasionally, so I took the afternoon off to take advantage of that. Decided to challenge myself from the back tees, which in retrospect with a 15 MPH sustained wind was really a poor choice. The course rates out as a 72.9/142, but they shortened a few holes to accommodate more condos over the past five years, so it's only 6,300-ish yards now. I would assume they'll re-rate sometime, but that's besides the point of this post...

My golf game is feast or famine so far this season. Today I couldn't hit anything from the tee and it cost me dearly. I think I lost five balls in total to hazards or out of bounds, and I carded a nine on the first par 5 after most likely visiting someone's yard with my tee shot (couldn't tell, ball was right, going right) and then getting a bad luck bounce on the cart path in front of the green out of bounds on my approach shot. 

Six pars and a birdie tells you how poorly the other 11 holes went. At least I putted really well! Something about these greens really suit me - I putted extremely well last time I played here, too. They're very quick but they roll true and I enjoy that a lot.

MIssing all over the place from the tee, or the same kind of right and more right miss over and over?

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Early 9 holes on a tough Exec with 1 par 4.  Par 3 holes were long for us Ole Farts, 150-185yds.

The Mizzie irons were great they are not going anywhere anytime soon. Putting well another issue, sunk 1 decent putt, lip out after lip out I’ll be using a stouter tomorrow, Anser goes in time out.

Didn't keep score but 1 double, 3 bogies rest pars.  
 

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11 minutes ago, edingc said:

- 44/48 = 92 / 90 ESC (+19) 
- 4/13 FIR
- 3/18 GIR (1 birdie) 
- 31 Putts (1 3-putts, 11 2-putts, 6 1-putts) - Had three lip out on me... blah.

Had a free greens fee that expired this week at the condo course I play occasionally, so I took the afternoon off to take advantage of that. Decided to challenge myself from the back tees, which in retrospect with a 15 MPH sustained wind was really a poor choice. The course rates out as a 72.9/142, but they shortened a few holes to accommodate more condos over the past five years, so it's only 6,300-ish yards now. I would assume they'll re-rate sometime, but that's besides the point of this post...

My golf game is feast or famine so far this season. Today I couldn't hit anything from the tee and it cost me dearly. I think I lost five balls in total to hazards or out of bounds, and I carded a nine on the first par 5 after most likely visiting someone's yard with my tee shot (couldn't tell, ball was right, going right) and then getting a bad luck bounce on the cart path in front of the green out of bounds on my approach shot. 

Six pars and a birdie tells you how poorly the other 11 holes went. At least I putted really well! Something about these greens really suit me - I putted extremely well last time I played here, too. They're very quick but they roll true and I enjoy that a lot.

Sounds like my round off the tee last time out!  Something about the early season and wanting to crush them all is a bad mix for me.

6 1-putts with 3 lip-outs sounds like you are getting dangerous with the LAB putter man!  I also seem to do better on quicker greens.  Keep it up!  

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13 minutes ago, Getoffmylawn said:

MIssing all over the place from the tee, or the same kind of right and more right miss over and over?

Missing both ways, unfortunately. I tend miss more to the left than the right. I wish I could just drop down to the Super Hybrid and solve the problem, but I was left going left most of the day with it.

Been working with my coach on it - I like to drop my rear shoulder to start the downswing which gets me coming way underneath and inside. If I hang back I go right (or drop kick it with irons/hybrids), if I get to my front side more I go left. Throw in some toe hooks when I don't do either of the above but don't rotate very well. Frustrating game!

Although, to be fair, I've never played this course from the back before and on a few holes I just flat out took the wrong line which put me in bad positions for my second shot. 

Score tends to go as my driver goes, although it seems like during rounds where my driver is good my putting is poor. Round and round it goes... 😂

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