Embrace the Pull / OtT

[TitleistMike]

Somewhere somehow my swing adopted a mind boggling over the top move. Dead pull.  Take away, I am on plane. Draw a line from ball up shaft and continue well behind head, top of backswing hands are on and under that line.

And then forward swing......my hands drift above the swing plane, never to return....once in a while they make it back on plane about thigh knee level but maybe 1 of 5 swings.

Mental efforts to drop aarms below plane instead of rotate shoulders is a train wreck during contact.

I am ready to embrace the pull. Just aim about 10% right...aim 20 yards right on 180 yard shot....10 yards on 100 yard pitch.

 

Anyone else just aiming right and taking the pull as livable ?

Otherwise, Maybe PGA pro can help me.

[JAYER38]

16 hours ago, TitleistMike said:

Somewhere somehow my swing adopted a mind boggling over the top move. Dead pull.  Take away, I am on plane. Draw a line from ball up shaft and continue well behind head, top of backswing hands are on and under that line.

And then forward swing......my hands drift above the swing plane, never to return....once in a while they make it back on plane about thigh knee level but maybe 1 of 5 swings.

Mental efforts to drop aarms below plane instead of rotate shoulders is a train wreck during contact.

I am ready to embrace the pull. Just aim about 10% right...aim 20 yards right on 180 yard shot....10 yards on 100 yard pitch.

 

Anyone else just aiming right and taking the pull as livable ?

Otherwise, Maybe PGA pro can help me.

If it is consistent why not?! I'm sure with some time you can grind it out and get back to what your use to but in the meantime accept it on course and do what you can to mitigate it 

Its 1 reason I tend to like the range before hitting the first Tee box just to see what the swing is offering that day... I am a big "tinkerer" type person so always adjusting things and its hard to stay consistent with that.

[TitleistMike]

4 hours ago, JAYER38 said:

If it is consistent why not?! I'm sure with some time you can grind it out and get back to what your use to but in the meantime accept it on course and do what you can to mitigate it 

Its 1 reason I tend to like the range before hitting the first Tee box just to see what the swing is offering that day... I am a big "tinkerer" type person so always adjusting things and its hard to stay consistent with that.

Yes, at the range it is what is my tendency this morning....not trying to fix it per se, find that day's groove.

I am very tempted to live with it. It is quite consistent and fits my comfort zone of just swing free. 

Wrestling with swing plane fix on course is more painful than aim right hit middle 4 of 5 plus aim right hit right 1 of 5. 20% missed greens is 80% GIR.

 

 

[Louis_Posture]

On 8/13/2024 at 1:31 PM, TitleistMike said:

Somewhere somehow my swing adopted a mind boggling over the top move. Dead pull.  Take away, I am on plane. Draw a line from ball up shaft and continue well behind head, top of backswing hands are on and under that line.

And then forward swing......my hands drift above the swing plane, never to return....once in a while they make it back on plane about thigh knee level but maybe 1 of 5 swings.

Mental efforts to drop aarms below plane instead of rotate shoulders is a train wreck during contact.

I am ready to embrace the pull. Just aim about 10% right...aim 20 yards right on 180 yard shot....10 yards on 100 yard pitch.

 

Anyone else just aiming right and taking the pull as livable ?

Otherwise, Maybe PGA pro can help me.

Aiming right and pulling the ball back towards the target is common.

Most right-to-left-shot-shape amateur players do this and think they are playing a draw shot, but really it's a pulled shot. The down side of this habit is players who do it start aiming more and more right and then to get the ball going towards the target requires a bigger and bigger pulled shot to the left.

*note one of the reasons you are coming over the top is because you subconsciously know that at address you're aimed  to the right of the target line.

** if you can get in the habit of aligning your body square to the target line this will naturally eliminate your OTT

[PrayingForPar]

On 8/13/2024 at 1:31 PM, TitleistMike said:

Anyone else just aiming right and taking the pull as livable ?

This summer I played with a guy who had a single digit handicap but aimed about 20-30 yards right on every shot. I was expecting him to hit the other fairway when he was on the tee box but he flushed it down the middle most the day. It was the strangest thing to watch with a very unconventional swing, but he definitely shot lower than me that day.

[TitleistMike]

1 hour ago, PrayingForPar said:

This summer I played with a guy who had a single digit handicap but aimed about 20-30 yards right on every shot. I was expecting him to hit the other fairway when he was on the tee box but he flushed it down the middle most the day. It was the strangest thing to watch with a very unconventional swing, but he definitely shot lower than me that day.

I went to PGA store simulator today and set the target line 20 yards right of pin for 6iron. Normal set up swing landing was within 22ft left to 4ft right of pin. If I could repeat it consistently it will be the new target line.

Trying to shallow and stay inside target line was a train wreck.

[TitleistMike]

1 hour ago, Louis_Posture said:

 

*note one of the reasons you are coming over the top is because you subconsciously know that at address you're aimed  to the right of the target line.

** if you can get in the habit of aligning your body square to the target line this will naturally eliminate your OTT

I've got alignment sticks on ground, across shoulders, belt loops and fore arms at different times checking. All squared up. My right elbow flares out more than it should at address. Tucking it in leads to horrible ball strikes.

My effort to drop arms in down swing along a shallow plane are killing my consistency.

 

[Louis_Posture]

10 minutes ago, TitleistMike said:

I've got alignment sticks on ground, across shoulders, belt loops and fore arms at different times checking. All squared up. My right elbow flares out more than it should at address. Tucking it in leads to horrible ball strikes.

My effort to drop arms in down swing along a shallow plane are killing my consistency.

Your body (feet-knees-hips-shoulders) is parallel left of the target line?

 

[Naval2006]

It's commonplace to aim right to hit a pull consistently.  The only caveat is you need to keep your right aiming at bay, there's a tendency to overdo it so you have to check it at the driving range every now and then.

[TitleistMike]

On 9/9/2024 at 11:37 PM, Louis_Posture said:

Your body (feet-knees-hips-shoulders) is parallel left of the target line?

 

I am aligned very much like image with one difference that I struggle with. My trail arm elbow points slightly right which causes right arm to be above the plane of left lead arm.

When I tuck trail arm lower, elbow points more back, my swing consistency disintegrates.  In simple terms I can't hit the ball twice in a row same.

At least with over top ball contact is good, direction is just off line.

Couple days ago I go to simulator and hit 6i 175-180yds. When I aim 15 yards right, ball lands 5 yards left of pin to 5 yards right of pin. I hit 40 balls and maybe 4 were on or right of start line. 90% of balls at least 10 yards left of target.

[TitleistMike]

On 8/14/2024 at 9:20 AM, JAYER38 said:

If it is consistent why not?! I'm sure with some time you can grind it out and get back to what your use to but in the meantime accept it on course and do what you can to mitigate it 

Its 1 reason I tend to like the range before hitting the first Tee box just to see what the swing is offering that day... I am a big "tinkerer" type person so always adjusting things and its hard to stay consistent with that.

As follow up, played yesterday first time with aim right mentality. It worked well. Only one ball went Greg Norman, rest went on the target line as desired or first cut areas. 

The main thing it does is free me up to swing and not try to steer the club or the ball. 

[JAYER38]

36 minutes ago, TitleistMike said:

As follow up, played yesterday first time with aim right mentality. It worked well. Only one ball went Greg Norman, rest went on the target line as desired or first cut areas. 

The main thing it does is free me up to swing and not try to steer the club or the ball. 

This is great news and really happy to hear it is all working out for you!