Speed Training , Anybody have this happen to them ?

[BCases]

       I did The Super Speed training this past winter and went from 98-102 to 106-110 mph with my driver. I saw noticeable gains with my driver this past season. I had my green stick as high as 119 mph but averaged 115-117 mph, 110 mph with the blue stick and the red stick around 105 mph. I did a maintenance session 1-2 times per month during the summer depending on how much I was playing. I always stayed with in 1-3 mph of my averages depending on the day. In fact, it was normal 2-3 weeks ago when I trained.

       Here's the crazy part. I played in a tournament last weekend and noticed guys were driving it past me that normally would not. I didn't think much of it and chucked it off to just an off weekend. Then I went back to my normal group. Again, more of the same. I was much shorter. As a result, I went and did a speed training session with shocking, but predictable results.  My green stick went to 98-104 mph, the blue stick to 94-96 mph and the red to 92-94 mph. Also tested my Driver on my GC3 and it was 98-100 mph. All of this was measured on a GC3 and my swing speed radar which are very accurate. 

     My golf and regular workouts have stayed about the same. I have lost 15 lbs but no strength loss. My irons and wedges have stayed the same distance. My driver is the same and when I compare/test it against other drivers, it is as high or higher in swing and ball speed. No swing changes or lessons YET ! LOL

       Anyone had anything similar happen to them? What did you do ? What caused it ? Thanks

 

Edited August 30 by BCases

[RetiredBoomer]

1 minute ago, BCases said:

       I did The Super Speed training this past winter and went from 98-102 to 106-110 mph with my driver. I saw noticeable gains with my driver this past season. I had my green stick as high as 119 mph but averaged 115-117 mph, 110 mph with the blue stick and the red stick around 105 mph. I did a maintenance session 1-2 times per month during the summer depending on how much I was playing. I always stayed with in 1-3 mph of my averages depending on the day.

       Here's the crazy part. I played in a tournament last weekend and noticed guys were driving it past me that normally would not. I didn't think much of it and chucked it off to just an off weekend. Then I went back to my normal group. Again, more of the same. I was much shorter. As a result, I went and did a speed training session with shocking, but predictable results.  My green stick went to 98-104 mph, the blue stick to 94-96 mph and the red to 92-94 mph. Also tested my Driver on my GC3 and it was 98-100 mph. All of this was measured on a GC3 and my swing speed radar which are very accurate. 

     My golf and regular workouts have stayed about the same. I have lost 15 lbs but no strength loss. My irons and wedges have stayed the same distance. My driver is the same and when I compare/test it against other drivers, it is as high or higher in swing and ball speed.

       Anyone had anything similar happen to them? What did you do ? What caused it ? Thanks

 

I'm afraid that I can't contribute much here.
To me, exercising and dieting are both forms of self-abuse.

[BCases]

Had to diet because of my numbers at the doctor. I have always enjoyed working-out, even at 57.

[Hook DeLoft]

I'm not surprised.  Super Speed training is using specific exercises and specific muscle groups.  I would expect to see a drop off when you start doing them less often.  For example, think of how much you would lose on the bench press if you started doing it just once or twice a month, even with keeping the rest of your workouts the same.

The only other things I can think of are your swing has become a little out of whack and thus a little less efficient.  The other is the one we all hate.  At 57, you're no spring chicken.  Even so, I would expect a slower decline at your age.  Now, if you were my age, 67, I wouldn't be surprised by losing that much speed over a few months.

[BCases]

15 hours ago, Hook DeLoft said:

I'm not surprised.  Super Speed training is using specific exercises and specific muscle groups.  I would expect to see a drop off when you start doing them less often.  For example, think of how much you would lose on the bench press if you started doing it just once or twice a month, even with keeping the rest of your workouts the same.

The only other things I can think of are your swing has become a little out of whack and thus a little less efficient.  The other is the one we all hate.  At 57, you're no spring chicken.  Even so, I would expect a slower decline at your age.  Now, if you were my age, 67, I wouldn't be surprised by losing that much speed over a few months.

Here the weird thing. It happened over the course of a few weeks. I started to retrain twice a week after this and my last two secessions were :

1 week ago  averages  green 118 mph , blue 110 mph , red 105 mph

yesterday                     green 106 mph , blue 99 mph and red 96 mph

I am really going all over the place within a week. I thought it was just a fluke secession and back to normal but then it RETURNED !

 

Edited September 4 by BCases

[Hook DeLoft]

7 hours ago, BCases said:

Here the weird thing. It happened over the course of a few weeks. I started to retrain twice a week after this and my last two secessions were :

1 week ago  averages  green 118 mph , blue 110 mph , red 105 mph

yesterday                     green 106 mph , blue 99 mph and red 96 mph

I am really going all over the place within a week. I thought it was just a fluke secession and back to normal but then it RETURNED !

 

Huh.  I got nothing.  If it continues to be so inconsistent, I might think it was the speed radar malfunctioning.

[Stuka44]

Like many who have responded so far, I am FAR from a swing, speed, technical training type person.  I just practice, trying to hit all clubs, straighter, chipping closer to the hole, and making more putts 8' and under.  I am unclear why with a listed hcp of 3, swinging faster would be a concern, but that wasn't your question was it.

The only thing I would suggest, and it is only based on what I experienced in another sport is this.  I played tennis, all throughout my 20's, 30's, and early 40's at a pretty high level.  Now I could practice and  without lifting weights or anything, tried to work on serving the ball harder.  Now I could work on consciously swinging my racquet harder, and even hitting tennis balls harder.  This was easy if I was hitting them into a fence, or backboard, and could feel that I was getting more pace on what was going to be my first serve.  The problem was that when it came time for matches, and it was PARAMOUNT, that the first serve, go into the proper service box, as often as possible, swinging harder reduced this, and I quickly reverted perhaps subconsciously to the first serve swing I used 97% of the time.  Now that is not to say that on occasion when serving really well, I wouldn't try to "juice" one up and hit it extra hard.  I found that to actually get appreciably more speed, on my serve which was already pretty fast, and good, when results mattered, , was going to be more difficult, and perhaps require a motion change, toss change, and be more difficult, than just swinging the racquet harder. 

Perhaps your training with these sticks( i looked them up quickly) is similar.  To swing these, it is likely pretty easy to swing them harder, but to ingrain this as your new swing speed, when something else has been your "go to driver swing speed" for so long may take much more time.  Especially when you are playing and you at least know perhaps without conscious thought, that results matter, and your "normal" swing takes over.

On 8/30/2024 at 9:54 AM, BCases said:

 I did The Super Speed training this past winter

 

[Hook DeLoft]

I have been using my Speed Sticks indoors but today I did a session outside under an overcast sky.  The speeds were down 5 to 10 mph.  @BCases, have you changed the environment in which you are measuring your speed?

[BCases]

No , same area but I am going to change the batteries just to eliminate another variable. However, my on course results were also off. Hopefully, just a fluke and it will return to normal. I am doing another secession Sunday, so we will see.

[AndySP]

I’ve been speed training for a few years and have found that my numbers can change pretty dramatically (more than 10 mph), depending on how recovered I am, the time of day, how much I’ve warmed up, my intention, how hungry I am, sleep and probably more. 

I wouldn’t worry too much about the dips and valleys. Overall trends are more important. 

For example, this is my stack log for a random set of protocols last year:

 

[Rearviewmirror]

My hunch would be that you are more of a "neuromuscular guy" than a "strength" guy. The Stack talks a lot about this in terms of taking the "governor" off your swing and working on fast twitch. You likely haven't gotten weaker, but as mentioned above, you may have started swinging "safer".

[BCases]

Thanks for all of the replies. Sunday was back to normal both in training and on the course. Therefore, I hope this crap is behind me.

[AndySP]

31 minutes ago, BCases said:

Therefore, I hope this crap is behind me.

Slow days in the future are guaranteed. Just know that there will also be plenty of fast ones to make up for it!