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How many of you have been to a fitting for an entire set of irons only to hit the 6 or 7 iron?

This could cause some serious gapping problems at both ends of the bag.  If one is to get fit for one particular club in a set, what is to say that the gapping will be good enough throughout the bag.  Maybe you need a 50,52,56,60 wedge set up to get to an appropriate gap. Or go 3,5,7,8,PW, GW, GW2, SW, or some other mixture of clubs to achieve these gappings.  
 

Fittings need to go from 1-LW and be ball speed oriented in my opinion to get the correct set of golf clubs.  Maybe not for an initial fitting for someone just getting into the game, but maybe it would be more beneficial.  Maybe you need a P790 type club in the top end to make up ball speed, and a P7TW in the 8-PW to keep the gap.

Am I crazy?

Driver: Callway Rogue St Triple Diamond 9*

2 HY: Mizuno STZ 230 16* (set to 13.75)

2 Iron: Taylormade UDI 17*

Irons: 2019 Titleist T100S 3-PW

Wedges: Vokey SM6 54* and SM9 48* / Taylormade MG3 TW 56*

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Posted

I’d think you’d really only need to hit the clubs on the outsides of the groups, right? Maybe a 4i and a PW, then a high and low wedge, then a 3H and Driver?. If you get the ends to line up right, the stuff in between should follow suit.

The biggest challenge there is hitting/fitting a whole bag is exhausting and your form is going to fall off as you go…potentially leading to bad fitting.

That said, our local Club Champion will let you buy a while bag fitting and break it up over a couple sessions…but that’s still not hitting everything in the bag  

 

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     Hzdrus RDX Red 5.5 60g 
3 & 5Hy:  IMG_1282.jpeg.5aa87f97d80bcf4ae3205107fd0a6add.jpeg G430 19° & 26°
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Posted
1 hour ago, RyanGi said:

I’d think you’d really only need to hit the clubs on the outsides of the groups, right? Maybe a 4i and a PW, then a high and low wedge, then a 3H and Driver?. If you get the ends to line up right, the stuff in between should follow suit.

The biggest challenge there is hitting/fitting a whole bag is exhausting and your form is going to fall off as you go…potentially leading to bad fitting.

That said, our local Club Champion will let you buy a while bag fitting and break it up over a couple sessions…but that’s still not hitting everything in the bag  

 

I’m good for about 300 shots before I start to fade.  Just thinking about it, I would want to do every single club.  Standard lie angles don’t work for me, so why would adjusting each club 2 flat work?  The different lengths might need different adjustments.  
 

I can tell you honestly right now that I would like to have my current 2 iron another 1° flat, 3 iron 2 more flat, 4 iron 3 more flat, 5 iron 2 more flat, 6 2 more flat and so on.

This would be more for when you get a head picked out that you like.  Using Titleist for example.  Say you enjoy the T100, but ball speed fell off at the 5 iron, you could get a T150 5 and 4 iron, and maybe you need a U505 “1” iron next.  The only way to get a proper set is to hit them all.  Otherwise it’s just a “ball park”. 
 

Obviously this is just my opinion, with no real data.  But it makes 100% logical sense to me.  You might need 6 degree gap in a certain range or a 2 degree gap in your wedges.  There is a lot of performance being left on the table.  

Driver: Callway Rogue St Triple Diamond 9*

2 HY: Mizuno STZ 230 16* (set to 13.75)

2 Iron: Taylormade UDI 17*

Irons: 2019 Titleist T100S 3-PW

Wedges: Vokey SM6 54* and SM9 48* / Taylormade MG3 TW 56*

Putter: PING Anser 

Ball: Pro V1

Bag: Jones 

 

Posted
2 hours ago, Shankster said:

How many of you have been to a fitting for an entire set of irons only to hit the 6 or 7 iron?

This could cause some serious gapping problems at both ends of the bag.  If one is to get fit for one particular club in a set, what is to say that the gapping will be good enough throughout the bag.  Maybe you need a 50,52,56,60 wedge set up to get to an appropriate gap. Or go 3,5,7,8,PW, GW, GW2, SW, or some other mixture of clubs to achieve these gappings.  
 

Fittings need to go from 1-LW and be ball speed oriented in my opinion to get the correct set of golf clubs.  Maybe not for an initial fitting for someone just getting into the game, but maybe it would be more beneficial.  Maybe you need a P790 type club in the top end to make up ball speed, and a P7TW in the 8-PW to keep the gap.

Am I crazy?

I don't at all disagree. Unfortunately the reality of carrying that many demo/club heads will never be the case. 

I have seen a few more places carry 9iron and 6irons for fittings thought and that was nice. 

Wedges I see a lot more options which is expected. 

I will push back on the need for anything past a 4 iron. There are many that still use a 3 iron etc, but there are other clubs that are a lot easier to hit and provide equal if not better results. Even 4 irons are becoming less and less relevant in the bags of golfers as they move towards higher lofted fairway woods, hybrids and utility clubs. 

Of course there could be some options for those looking at a 2 or 3 iron, but it certainly doesn't need to be robust. 

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Posted
11 minutes ago, GolfSpy_APH said:

I don't at all disagree. Unfortunately the reality of carrying that many demo/club heads will never be the case. 

I have seen a few more places carry 9iron and 6irons for fittings thought and that was nice. 

Wedges I see a lot more options which is expected. 

I will push back on the need for anything past a 4 iron. There are many that still use a 3 iron etc, but there are other clubs that are a lot easier to hit and provide equal if not better results. Even 4 irons are becoming less and less relevant in the bags of golfers as they move towards higher lofted fairway woods, hybrids and utility clubs. 

Of course there could be some options for those looking at a 2 or 3 iron, but it certainly doesn't need to be robust. 

Understandable, but at least have the option.  Using the fairway wood example, it would be the same deal.  Find the ones that fill the distances properly.  Or hybrids, whatever it may be.  Utility clubs, etc.

 

Driver: Callway Rogue St Triple Diamond 9*

2 HY: Mizuno STZ 230 16* (set to 13.75)

2 Iron: Taylormade UDI 17*

Irons: 2019 Titleist T100S 3-PW

Wedges: Vokey SM6 54* and SM9 48* / Taylormade MG3 TW 56*

Putter: PING Anser 

Ball: Pro V1

Bag: Jones 

 

Posted
1 hour ago, Shankster said:

Understandable, but at least have the option.  Using the fairway wood example, it would be the same deal.  Find the ones that fill the distances properly.  Or hybrids, whatever it may be.  Utility clubs, etc.

 

There are some shops and places which have more extensive fittings like this, but they are few and far between.

I also know several that will do gapping sessions to help dial in specs lofts and lie throughout the whole bag as kinda a retro-fit.

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Irons:   :titleist-small: T Series - T200 5 Iron
                                          T150 6-9 Iron                                

Wedge:  Toura Golf - A Spec 53,57 or :titleist-small: SM10 45,49,53,57 degree wedges

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Posted

The amount of clubs that would take would be crazy and fittings would be more expensive than a set of clubs. 

I have asked fitters why a 7 iron and why only one and no one really has ever had an answer. I agree it would be beneficial.  I agree with what @GolfSpy_APHsaid about having clubs adjusted once you have them is the best way. 

As for mixed bag... I haven't had an issue building one from a fitting. 

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Posted

I think the fitting you want is available, you just have to get to a tour facility and go single brand.   For those doing the single club fitting,  you can probably do well enough with the one club to estimate that clubs needed and then do a follow up gapping session to dial in each club.  It’s not perfect but I’d say it is adequate.  
 

The cost of maintaining and inventory of current clubs models with every shaft combination would be cost prohibitive.  

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Posted (edited)
8 hours ago, Shankster said:

I’m good for about 300 shots before I start to fade

😳 You’re an animal! I see significant changes once I get near 100. I can’t imagine 300 real golf swings in a single sitting. 

I hadn’t thought about the cost aspect. Ie - keeping every club head and shaft length available for a fitting. That would definitely be prohibitive.

I was fit with a 6i. I asked why and was told that’s usually the longest iron most golfers they see can hit reliably. I guess that makes sense. 

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     Hzdrus RDX Red 5.5 60g 
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Posted

This is an absolute cost issue. As has been mentioned, having 4-PW of every club that a fitting company like CC carries on hand plus all the shafts would be extremely expensive. Especially when you take into account that many companies come out with new irons every year. Plus, 99.999% of amateurs can't get more than about 75-100 swings in an iron fitting before performance tanks. You're an anomaly, but fitters know that once they hit 75 swings they're running out of time.

I think any fitting company should offer a follow-up gapping session at no cost to anyone who buys clubs from them. That would all but guarantee that the clubs will be set up properly for the golfer on loft/lie to allow them to get the most out of their original fitting and the clubs themselves. Some do (PXG does a spec check), but most don't. You have to pay an additional fee for that gapping session. I think if the companies offered it to their customers, I think they'd see more sales (just my opinion).

But it's a dollars and cents discussion, not a want to discussion for companies.

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I get the cost yeah, yeah.  But I think you are missing my point.  You go hit this 6 iron beautifully.  You get these new clubs that you’ve spent 1500+ on, and your 6,5,4,3 iron all go around the same distance.  So you spent 1500 for 5 useful yardages.  You then have to go buy new stuff or have the stuff you’ve already bought altered, changing the intended design when you could have just gotten the correct set off the get go.

Driver: Callway Rogue St Triple Diamond 9*

2 HY: Mizuno STZ 230 16* (set to 13.75)

2 Iron: Taylormade UDI 17*

Irons: 2019 Titleist T100S 3-PW

Wedges: Vokey SM6 54* and SM9 48* / Taylormade MG3 TW 56*

Putter: PING Anser 

Ball: Pro V1

Bag: Jones 

 

Posted
2 minutes ago, Shankster said:

I get the cost yeah, yeah.  But I think you are missing my point.  You go hit this 6 iron beautifully.  You get these new clubs that you’ve spent 1500+ on, and your 6,5,4,3 iron all go around the same distance.  So you spent 1500 for 5 useful yardages.  You then have to go buy new stuff or have the stuff you’ve already bought altered, changing the intended design when you could have just gotten the correct set off the get go.

Those clubs wouldn't be $1500 anymore though.  Are you thinking you would end up in a completely different shaft for each club?

 

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Titleist TSR2 5w 18.75*

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MKII ZX 7's (7-PW) w/ KBS Tour V

 Vokey SM9 Wedges 50* 54* 58*

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Posted
2 minutes ago, Josh Parker said:

Those clubs wouldn't be $1500 anymore though.  Are you thinking you would end up in a completely different shaft for each club?

 

No.  This already after you have figured out which head you want, shaft etc.  so you are at $1700-1800 with the fitting, but if you needed to buy 4-5 different clubs at the top instead of what you bought, you are saving likely a thousand of you needed hybrids or woods at the top.  Or your wedge gap is too close together and you need to buy yet another wedge.

Driver: Callway Rogue St Triple Diamond 9*

2 HY: Mizuno STZ 230 16* (set to 13.75)

2 Iron: Taylormade UDI 17*

Irons: 2019 Titleist T100S 3-PW

Wedges: Vokey SM6 54* and SM9 48* / Taylormade MG3 TW 56*

Putter: PING Anser 

Ball: Pro V1

Bag: Jones 

 

Posted
2 hours ago, cnosil said:

I think the fitting you want is available, you just have to get to a tour facility and go single brand.   For those doing the single club fitting,  you can probably do well enough with the one club to estimate that clubs needed and then do a follow up gapping session to dial in each club.  It’s not perfect but I’d say it is adequate.  
 

The cost of maintaining and inventory of current clubs models with every shaft combination would be cost prohibitive.  

Well, I doubt they’ll let Me on a tour facility.  😂

This would not be your average fitter dragging a pelican case to a course, but as an option I think it would probably help a lot of people make a better informed purchase.  

Driver: Callway Rogue St Triple Diamond 9*

2 HY: Mizuno STZ 230 16* (set to 13.75)

2 Iron: Taylormade UDI 17*

Irons: 2019 Titleist T100S 3-PW

Wedges: Vokey SM6 54* and SM9 48* / Taylormade MG3 TW 56*

Putter: PING Anser 

Ball: Pro V1

Bag: Jones 

 

Posted
3 minutes ago, Shankster said:

No.  This already after you have figured out which head you want, shaft etc.  so you are at $1700-1800 with the fitting, but if you needed to buy 4-5 different clubs at the top instead of what you bought, you are saving likely a thousand of you needed hybrids or woods at the top.  Or your wedge gap is too close together and you need to buy yet another wedge.

But you can currently do a woods, hybrid or wedge fitting which has all of the options available.  Irons are the only thing you currently don't have a full set.  I don't ever buy a full set.  I do 5-PW and based on history and lofts, know what my general distances will be.  I know that my PW needs to be 45/46* if I want to continue using 50,54,58 wedges.  I also know if my 5 iron is 24/25* and my 5w is 18.75* that I can either adjust the new irons a degree to bring gaps closer or know that when I choke up on the 5w an inch I can drop my distance on it to cover the gap.

Inventory would be insane for a fitter to have every club on the market.  As fast as these companies change out irons, the cost of a fitting would be crazy expensive.  I'm not saying I wouldn't like to test out the entire bag, just saying financially all the way around it wouldn't make enough sense.

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 Titleist TSR2 4w 16*

Titleist TSR2 5w 18.75*

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MKII ZX 7's (7-PW) w/ KBS Tour V

 Vokey SM9 Wedges 50* 54* 58*

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Posted

Yeah.  I get all that. This last demo day I went to. Titleist and PING had full sets of every club to hit.  Stock shaft and lie.  It was great I loved it, but having the option to hit it with your fitted shaft shaft would be better.  It can be done, and I don’t think it would be as expensive as it sounds.  Have only the factory reps with this ability.  

Driver: Callway Rogue St Triple Diamond 9*

2 HY: Mizuno STZ 230 16* (set to 13.75)

2 Iron: Taylormade UDI 17*

Irons: 2019 Titleist T100S 3-PW

Wedges: Vokey SM6 54* and SM9 48* / Taylormade MG3 TW 56*

Putter: PING Anser 

Ball: Pro V1

Bag: Jones 

 

Posted

Even their driving irons were there.  But they didn’t have a launch monitor so, you just had to guess

Driver: Callway Rogue St Triple Diamond 9*

2 HY: Mizuno STZ 230 16* (set to 13.75)

2 Iron: Taylormade UDI 17*

Irons: 2019 Titleist T100S 3-PW

Wedges: Vokey SM6 54* and SM9 48* / Taylormade MG3 TW 56*

Putter: PING Anser 

Ball: Pro V1

Bag: Jones 

 

Posted (edited)

I think it’s an awesome idea to have in a perfect world, but that $1500 set of clubs would probably end up costing more like $2500 by the time you pay for the cost of a fitter having all those clubs and shafts, mfgs having to produce them, and the man hours to go through the fitting that way. 

Clearly it would be a great way to get the absolute best setup for an individual golfer…but I think it would elimate fittings for a lot of people based on cost, and maybe push people out of the sport if the clubs had to get more expensive on the retail side. 

I’d actually support the opposite approach: a much less expensive, more available fitting model so more people would get fit and have a better game. Maybe an AI generated starting point from video as a way to narrow down potential options and reduce fitting time? I dunno…but some way to make it better, cheaper and faster would allow more folks access to it. 

I think it would keep more folks in the sport and drive technology forward. Although it might really hurt the ‘These are less than a year old’ used market!

Edited by RyanGi

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     Hzdrus RDX Red 5.5 60g 
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     Hzdrus RDX Red 5.5 70g
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Posted
1 hour ago, Shankster said:

Well, I doubt they’ll let Me on a tour facility.  😂

This would not be your average fitter dragging a pelican case to a course, but as an option I think it would probably help a lot of people make a better informed purchase.  

You can go to the Kingdom (Taylormade) and the Titleist performance center.   

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Hybrids:   915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype
                 915H  24*  w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype        
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