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We're trying a slightly new approach to shaft reviews with Fujikura's top-of-the-line Motore Speeder shafts: instead of reviewing one model and making a somewhat random, apples to oranges comparison, we will be reviewing each model in the line to let you know how they differ from one another. With that said:

 

What do you want to know about these shafts?

How can we keep improving our shaft reviews? *Note: the first person who says "robot" or anything like it is getting pistol whipped.

Do you like the full-line review concept, or do you prefer one-off reviews?

 

Enough words, on with the pics:

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Definitely full line reviews. Knowing how they differentiate between shafts is waaaay more valuable than a random "score".

 

 

 

 

Oh...and are you using a robot? :P

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Really, for me I'm sorry to say that shaft reviews are almost meaningless. First, I don't buy new shafts. I do hit them from time to time, and if I find one I like I will note the specs and look for something similar in an older, cheaper version. I'm also not out shopping to change shafts. I realize there are guys here that do, I'm just not one of them.

 

Secondly, a big component of liking a shaft or not comes down to feel and trying to discuss feel effectively is very difficult. A shaft that feels great to you, that you describe as smooth and buttery might feel completely different to someone else with very similar swing stats. It could be that they identify feel differently, it could be that they load the shaft differently, it could be that they just like a different feel. Regardless of the "why", they're still talking a different language! A shaft that you don't like and that you spray all over the yard might be just what the other guy likes!

 

Don't get me wrong, I know the shaft is important and I pay attention to them when I buy my clubs, and I have even changed them from time to time. When I'm looking, I will take the time to check out a review maybe, but what I really want to know is are there any defects to the shaft, does it not play or spec as stated, is there something critically different about it vs. other shafts that spec similar. Barring that, I know that no matter what the review says, I am not going to know what I think about a shaft until I hit it.

 

So for me, I don't think you guys should spend an inordinate amount of time trying to quantify what is to a large part a very subjective thing. I like to see and read about the new stuff, but in general, I don't find shaft reviews very useful.

 

(steps back and waits for the explosion from the shaft junkies!)

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A: Full line review at a time instead of one by one. It lets people see how a .1 differs from a .2 head to head.

 

B: Unlikely but is there any way you could either profile the shafts yourself or get the OEM's to offer it up when you do the review? Calling something a low launch, low spin or mid launch with low spin is meaningless unless the overall profile fits. I know most people don't seem to care, which is amusing since it's really how one is fit into a shaft, but it would be quite helpful for those of us that help others.

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As long as you are doing the pistol whipping and not hooking it to an Iron Byron that is ok.:P

 

Full line.

 

It you use the same head for all shafts, it does not matter whose, and give the actual spin numbers and launch angle than we can compare the data. Of course it will vary head to head but in reality, it will also vary from person to person, we are not robots you know.

 

 

I know when I was looking for a shaft and looking at the Talamonti, all I could find out about was how people said it felt. Feel is so subjective. "Mizuno blades feel buttery soft." B.S. They feel solid to me. What I really wanted was the flight information.

 

Launch angle, Spin rates, apex, Speeds, and distance. Yes, this will vary but it is better than nothing.

 

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Barring that, I know that no matter what the review says, I am not going to know what I think about a shaft until I hit it.

 

So for me, I don't think you guys should spend an inordinate amount of time trying to quantify what is to a large part a very subjective thing. I like to see and read about the new stuff, but in general, I don't find shaft reviews very useful.

 

(steps back and waits for the explosion from the shaft junkies!)

 

Yeah.

 

Utterly and entirely disagree and this is what's wrong with my shaft "reviews". There's no discussion about who the shaft is for, what type of swing does it fit, how they can expect the numbers to alter, what other sorts of shafts does it match against. All this information is out there, it's just to scattered for most people to get.

 

As long as someone has quality information for me or many others (see Doug Mael, Awakespoiled, Marcus, Wishon, etc) there's no reason why one can't get a pretty darn accurate webfit that narrows it down to a very small selection of offerings in a number of price brackets. It's much better to get fit in person with a tech. MUCH. But if that's not an option, there are lots of people out there who CAN tell you that info Tyk even including what you should feel in comparison to what you play now.

 

/Rant mode off.

Shafts are my thing in golf and the amount of mystique surrounding them is just plan annoying.

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Full line. I'd even take it further and have a chart of all shafts you've looked at to compare their stats.

 

Feel is so subjective and based on many factors that I don't always buy it.

 

I think it would be good to post a video of your swing so we can also see how much load you put on a shaft. It would be great to have three different golfers with high to low load on the shaft and see how everything compares for them.

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Hey Tuna, I did specifically state that I was speaking for myself! I think it's great that all those numbers and mystical terms like "boardy" and "tip stiff" and all that mean something to someone. One would assume they would have to or they wouldn't be there.

 

Personally I think there should be something like a "Geranimals" shaft system. So I could go get fit once, and get my shaft Geranimal "Bear" badge. Then they could just put a Geranimal sticker on each shaft and I could just go to the Bear section. Kind of like a horoscope. Well, I guess it's already like a horoscope, but add some animals or nudity or something and at least make it fun!

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Tyk: Sorry, I sort of used that as a launching platform. That wasn't really at you so much as extrapolating on the theme of things and then exploding like a little bomber man. My bad mate!

 

Though I agree with the sticker. I'm trying to go my own algorithm to make just that though it'll be fairly useless until I can "aquire" a EI machine.

 

Hey Matt, wanna beg Fujikura for one for me?

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It would be helpful if testing was done to see which shaft within the lines would fit certain types of swings (smooth vs aggressive, early vs late release) and based on design which would be lower spin higher spin, lower launch etc.

 

Then you could probably compare to hot shafts (i.e. GD DI) or shafts that were previously hot (i.e V2)

 

I personally have a 6.1 stiff plugged into my new RBZ @45" and my driving has picked up. Still a bit of adjustment but I can see the potential. I would like to see it compared to the other Speeders since I feel it currently is a tad boardy. It would interesting to figure out if that is a flex or model issue.

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I think shaft reviews are a good reference for me.

 

There is no way to know for sure how a shaft might perform for me unless I buy the shaft and have it transplanted on my club head. And this would involve considerable time and expenses. Even a visit to the club fitter without committing to anything is going to cost me as nobody would do it for free. To make it worse, most of them try to push products which they already have in stock and try to "educate" the customer to conform their swing to their available shaft.

 

For people like me, I like to have both comparison between brands, and well as comparison between shafts under the same brand. Also I like to look at objective stats like spin rates, launch angles, whether there's any impact on ball speed. Therefore having the shafts tested on a machine is preferred. Because nobody can swing exactly the same way every time, but with a machine like Iron Byron, you can program it to swing exactly the same speed, same club loading characteristics, same launch angle. And then you compare the results across different brands. That should be how you do a scientific comparison.

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Interesting on the Iron Byron comments because I would say I know 0 golfers that swing like iron Byron. Even the best swings at my club will not be that good (on plane, tempo, etc).

 

I wonder if there is a way to calibrate Iron Byron to simulate certain types of swings so it could result in better comparisons.

 

Maybe calibrate "it" to have a early release or maybe a really late lag. That would really be helpful for shaft companies to designate a certain shaft to fit certain swings.

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Hey I've got a great idea Matt - why not create mechanical devices to simulate the swing of each golfer in the MGS community and then have them hit shots with the new shafts and report the results on a grid - that way we can be sure to select the proper shaft for us! :D :D :D

 

Seriously while I don't often change shafts when I do I prefer to read a review from the MGS staff. The review you did on the excaliber shafts was most helpful and the way I'm hitting my Adams with that SL driver shaft in it is to die for. I do think it would be very helpful to know the profile target of each shaft tested and whether or not the shaft actually succeeds in benefitting that type of swing.

 

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As much as you dislike robots, even Rory McIlroy's swing isn't exactly the same every time. a Robot will give the exact same swing every time for the best head to head comparison.

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As much as you dislike robots, even Rory McIlroy's swing isn't exactly the same every time. a Robot will give the exact same swing every time for the best head to head comparison.

 

Rory's swing isn't the same because he's human...and that's who swings golf clubs.

 

Please don't feel like I'm singling you out here, but every time we do anything new or different, we get people asking (and some demanding) we use robots for our testing. I suppose there's an element of logic to it, and yet, when we talk to the OEMs, the guys who design, engineer, and ultimately sell golf clubs, the all tell us the same thing:

 

They rely much more heavily on their human testing then they do their robots. We actually talked to senior VP level guys at one of the biggest companies in golf about robots and what they told us was "don't go down that rabbit hole". It's essentially not worth the headache, and the data isn't nearly as meaningful as what you get from actual people.

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It will take a lot of convincing for me to give up my Nunchuk shafts. I have my RBZ driver fitted with their first model and my Adams hybrid fitted with the 370 model.

 

So to answer your question, any review would need to be comprehensive enough based on my requirements.

 

You can of course send me a box of shafts to review and they will tested against my Nunchuk's. :D

 

AJ

 

P.S. Written and authorised by AJ on behalf of AJ with no affiliation or conflicts of interest with Nventix and the Nunchuk shafts.

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