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Well, ignorance is not bliss, that much is for certain. While I think that this should be an eye-opener on tour, I feel that the PGA Tour should probably react consistently with their treatment of Mark Calcavecchia in a similar matter.

 

The media is frustrating in that they seem for the most part to be trying to hang Singh for oversight. Give him the benefit of the doubt this time, move forward, and stress future penalties for such infractions.

 

This shouldn't be something that is received with such emotional reaction. Watching Morning Drive today, all three of those guys spent some time with Tom Pernice Jr. on the phone and essentially spent the whole conversation trying different methods to get Tom to condemn Singh and cry for suspension like they were. I generally like the show, but I did not appreciate watching them employ tactics like that with a very clear agenda.

 

I guess you could argue that by posting like this that I too am getting emotional about it... It's kind of a contradiction, but oh well.

 

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Damn...I have a garage full of deer antlers. I should get Vj's number.... ;)

 

I thought it comes from the velvet, not the antler itself.... Otherwise I can start eating all my deer antlers I have hanging o the wall. LOL

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I really don't want to delve into the world of PED's, but I will anyway. Until someone fails a test, I will not assume anything about them. Did Vijay admit to this, absolutely, and assuming it's on the PGA Tour's banned list (IGF-1 is, for the record, but SWATS Ultimate Spray isn't listed anywhere I've seen), then he deserves any penalty that's handed down.

 

That said, as the Ray Lewis story was the first to break, then the story from the owner of SWATS that the Alabama football team used it before the 2012 BCS National Championship game, Vijay was last. What was my first response? I immediately pulled all of the banned substances lists. None featured SWATS Ultimate Spray by name on there, IGF-1 appeared on all of them. Thing is, SWATS Ultimate Spray hasn't been tested and evaluated by the FDA, and has not been confirmed to contain IGF-1. Is it claimed? Sure. Do I believe the porn star that started the company's marketing claims? Well, considering their website is vague and the marketing is vague, I'm not sure I even know what I'm supposed to be believing.

 

The next person that will be linked to this, some way or another? Tiger Woods, I'm nearly certain. It may not be SWATS per se', but the rumors will start swirling about his PED usage again. And guess what? He's NEVER failed a test, EVER. But, it's not natural to get that big and strong and dominant without it they'll say. I counter with he's busted his ass since the age of 2 when he was told he couldn't do something (and that something was play golf because of his skin tone). But he got so huge so quick. Well, no, he didn't. If you'll go through pictures (readily available via google, or you can search Getty Images) from 1996 to current, you'll see that he didn't turn into the Incredible Hulk, he in fact put on muscle mass slowly over a period of time, gradually getting bigger. It's also hampered his ability to drive the ball straight (remember his masterful performance fresh out of Stanford when he BLEW the field away at Augusta in record setting fashion? He did it as a wirey kid with a 43.5" steel shafted driver and he was BLOWING it past everyone. AND IT WAS STRAIGHT.)

 

And I didn't get on this to get on a Tiger rant. I'm not really certain where I was going when I started typing, I just let my brain release, and the typed verbal diarrhea above is what you got. I will say that instead of point the finger at every athlete on the planet in today's sports world (as that's what anyone over the age of 40 is going to do more than likely), consider this. Medicine advances. Knowledge of nutrition advances. Training methods and understanding advances. Athletes specialize from a young age. When you were a kid, did you focus on one sport? Unless you're younger (I'm about to turn 30 myself), you likely played EVERY sport out there. Now, kids play 1 sport and they play it their whole life in hopes of turning professional. And they do it in spectacular fashion. With the advancements in nutrition, training, the human body, etc, sorry, but the guys from the 30's, 40's, 50's, pick a generation, are being passed by. Is it PED's? Well, until you can prove it, nope. It's god given talent, and it's dedication to the craft. And NO amount of PED's is going to change a person's DNA or give them superhuman abilities, or even abilities they didn't already have before. Find a bum under a bridge and give him steroids, or choose your PED. If he couldn't hit a 90 MPH fastball before, he won't be able to now. if he couldn't hit a golf ball straight before, PED's won't enable him to. If his fast twitch and slow twitch synapses didn't fire at a high level of a professional athlete's before, no amount of drugs or medicine are going to change that.

 

So go ahead, fire away at my post. This topic has already been beaten to death on a few sports pages I'm on, so I might reply, and I might not. Who knows, depends on what buttons get pushed.

 

Yeah, there's my rant for the day.

 

Oh, and for the record, if he spent $9k on it, he hasn't been on it long because the spray alone is $279 per bottle.

 

 

Nothing against your post, but I just went on the SWATS site and it's 64.00 a bottle and if you buy 3 you get 1 free. So that's so thats $192.00 + 6 for shipping for 4 bottles not $279 per bottle. But then again he bought the Hologram stickers and STROBE light for visuals while sleeping...lol

 

 

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This might seem like a stupid question but can someone explain to me what the hell he took exactly and what is it supposed to do. I'm too lazy to read through the comments or research it.

 

 

Look at my link above you'll see. It's deer antler stray, supposed to contain a series of special ingredients that help with a number of things when it comes to getting old and recapturing that youthful glow.

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When ask if he was feeling any effects he said that he did feel like he was in a "rut" between November 13 - December 15.

Brother your on a roll. The Buck stops here!

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Rookie - I don't think you're catching what I'm saying about this or maybe you are and you honestly believe that no pro golfer has ever used a PED because there is no benefit to them for golf or because golf is somehow immune to an issue that has plagued other sports.

 

 

If that's the case we disagree - Of course there's a benefit if only for healing and recovery to do additional training. I suspect there's more of a benefit.

 

I suppose this is because we (Rookie and I) have a history on this topic that others here aren't privy too - I'm not accusing Tiger in this thread, I haven't a clue if Tiger ever used or didn't use - I believe Tiger is one of the top 3 players of all time and I would never quibble with anyone who put him in the top spot. I think he worked like a dog to get where he was and continues to work hard to try and get back to the top so that he can reach his life goal of catching Jack. I admire his play and have loved watching him particularly when he was at his best. I'd like to see that again just as I'd love to see Jack play at his best just that one more time. I admire greatness.

 

Can I say anything else so that whenever this topic comes up you wont' think I'm taking a backhanded swipe at Tiger?

 

In regards to PED's I would agree with whoever wrote, (John Barry perhaps), that they should be fine for recovery from injury. They should be fine for whatever their intended medical use is - I have no trouble with that. Good luck figuring out how to write the rule and how to apply it.

 

This issue is really something - consider that a guy who had 3,000 hits in his MLB career and was never linked to any PED use didn't make the baseball Hall of Fame this year in part because of the way a bunch of PED users muddied the waters of the ballot.

 

I'm afraid I see that sort of thing coming for golf - I hope I'm wrong because it's made such a mess out of the sport that was my first love (not any more.)

 

I'd like to know how football coasts through all of it - they had such a problem with steroid use in the 70's that guys were dropping like flies from abusing them and yet very little of it has stuck.

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Alright guys here is what where going to here about for the next month. I can't believe that Vijay had the knowledge of it being illegal. If he did I don't believe he would just come out and admit to it. I don't see deer antler being any type of performance enhancer all that deer antler is is calcium.

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what amazes me is that there is a plethora of sports that seem to think that performance enhancing drugs are an exception in their case and not the norm.

 

MoroGP lets riders take pain killer injections minutes before a race so that a rider can ride, AFL (football here in Australia has 3 strikes rule, WTF)and god knows what else is out there.

 

Cycling ( Lance Armstrong) has been dragged over the coals ( lets not forget they all did it) and lets not forget the Russian Olympic program etc etc.

 

If you think that a drug is not enhancing your performance then pull your head out of the sand (read ARSE) and get with the program.

 

If your body can not handle the pressure of the sport and your body needs a substance to perform then you are cheating, plain and simple and you should be dealt with consistently regardless of the sport.

 

AJ

 

PS 2 year ban for Vjay and learn from your your mistake.

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Nothing against your post, but I just went on the SWATS site and it's 64.00 a bottle and if you buy 3 you get 1 free. So that's so thats $192.00 + 6 for shipping for 4 bottles not $279 per bottle. But then again he bought the Hologram stickers and STROBE light for visuals while sleeping...lol

 

 

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The other day when I looked when the Ray Lewis story broke, it was $279 a bottle. I've listened to this guy's interviews a few times, as local radio has interviewed him a few times. He was on local AM Sports Talk radio yesterday. Seems to me he's trying to restart a company that has been bankrupt and using the largest stage in sports to do it.

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what amazes me is that there is a plethora of sports that seem to think that performance enhancing drugs are an exception in their case and not the norm.

 

MoroGP lets riders take pain killer injections minutes before a race so that a rider can ride, AFL (football here in Australia has 3 strikes rule, WTF)and god knows what else is out there.

 

Cycling ( Lance Armstrong) has been dragged over the coals ( lets not forget they all did it) and lets not forget the Russian Olympic program etc etc.

 

If you think that a drug is not enhancing your performance then pull your head out of the sand (read ARSE) and get with the program.

 

If your body can not handle the pressure of the sport and your body needs a substance to perform then you are cheating, plain and simple and you should be dealt with consistently regardless of the sport.

 

AJ

 

PS 2 year ban for Vjay and learn from your your mistake.

 

 

Since this was a backhanded swipe at my post I'll retort to it directly. Do me a favor, since you said PED's are responsible for all of what you're saying. Go find someone that has never played golf, or baseball, or pick your sport. Pump them up with PED's and have them compete and win at the professional level in the sport of your choosing. PED's don't give you ability that you didn't have before.

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Rookie - I don't think you're catching what I'm saying about this or maybe you are and you honestly believe that no pro golfer has ever used a PED because there is no benefit to them for golf or because golf is somehow immune to an issue that has plagued other sports.

 

 

If that's the case we disagree - Of course there's a benefit if only for healing and recovery to do additional training. I suspect there's more of a benefit.

 

I suppose this is because we (Rookie and I) have a history on this topic that others here aren't privy too - I'm not accusing Tiger in this thread, I haven't a clue if Tiger ever used or didn't use - I believe Tiger is one of the top 3 players of all time and I would never quibble with anyone who put him in the top spot. I think he worked like a dog to get where he was and continues to work hard to try and get back to the top so that he can reach his life goal of catching Jack. I admire his play and have loved watching him particularly when he was at his best. I'd like to see that again just as I'd love to see Jack play at his best just that one more time. I admire greatness.

 

Can I say anything else so that whenever this topic comes up you wont' think I'm taking a backhanded swipe at Tiger?

 

In regards to PED's I would agree with whoever wrote, (John Barry perhaps), that they should be fine for recovery from injury. They should be fine for whatever their intended medical use is - I have no trouble with that. Good luck figuring out how to write the rule and how to apply it.

 

This issue is really something - consider that a guy who had 3,000 hits in his MLB career and was never linked to any PED use didn't make the baseball Hall of Fame this year in part because of the way a bunch of PED users muddied the waters of the ballot.

 

I'm afraid I see that sort of thing coming for golf - I hope I'm wrong because it's made such a mess out of the sport that was my first love (not any more.)

 

I'd like to know how football coasts through all of it - they had such a problem with steroid use in the 70's that guys were dropping like flies from abusing them and yet very little of it has stuck.

 

 

Barry Bonds was a hall of Famer before he took anything (which they never were able to prove). He was a 2 time MVP and the best player in baseball at the time he signed with San Fran. McGwire and Sosa were jacking HR's at an astronomical rate and he wanted to prove he was not only the best player of all time, but also the best slugger. The guys voting on the HOF? 90% of them have never played the sport. They should let the players and only the players vote. Regardless of what you use, PED's don't give you ability. If Bonds doesn't deserve to get in, no one in his class does. See baseball turned a blind eye because they were making money hand over fist during the era of the long ball. When the govt got involved is when they wanted to do something after letting it go on and on and on. At that point, it was too late. Then they let a bunch of writers black ball players in their HOF vote. The media would've voted Bonds in regardless if he'd have been friendly to them and done interviews and joked. But he didnt, because he didnt trust not like them because he knew their nature of twisting the narrative to fit. So he'd give them a no comment and go out and hit another homerun. He was selfish with his life and that's his right. Had he been all open and joking and laughing with them, they'd have voted him in. Not voting him exposes the system and makes it a joke. The bigger issue IMO? The fact that they let players step to the plate in riot gear.

 

As for Tiger, he's never failed any test. Tim Finchem said if he's not failing a test, then testing everyone else is pointless.

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I don't disagree with a thing you've written Rookie. I'd vote for Bonds if I had a vote for the reason that you gave - I don't know that he was the best player in baseball prior to his use but he was clearly on a Hall of Fame path, same holds true with Clemens although the evidence of his use points back further in time to where you might have a reasonable doubt. And I'm unconvinced by a botched federal prosecution of a perjury charge - remember it wasn't a did he use PED's charge it was a did he lie about it to congress.

 

To try and stop his name from coming up and to get the discussion to be focused on the main issue I will reiterate that I've said nothing about Tiger other than to say I'm assuming he has not used PED's. Instead I will say that I'm concerned that golf is in the process of doing the same thing as baseball only on a smaller scale.

 

If you've read anything I've written on PED use in baseball elsewhere you know full well that I think the wrong group is getting all the blame. It's not the MLB players shouldn't shoulder some of the blame it's that had owners and those charged with guarding the game of baseball actually been concerned about PED use they could have stopped it or at least tried when the smoke first started surfacing.

 

Among the players - at least in the minor leagues - it is assumed that all latin players - all - use PED's - that comes directly from any minor league player I've spoken with in the past two years and it's a signficant number 20-30. Even if their assumptions are wrong or they are filled with bias the suspicious will lead non-Latin players to use - doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out. There is no confidence in MLB's drug testing policy among those players who want to go at the game honestly.

 

At any rate this is a golf forum so enough of that - lets say very little has happened in golf in the past for some reason and here's the smoke in golf - What they do now will demonstrate how serious they are about putting out the fire and also the way the players respond will tell you how serious they are about wanting it to stop.

 

Will they submit to blood sampling? It will be easier for them to do that than team sports where there are labor agreements.

 

Golf could become the model for professional sports in this country.

 

I'm very hopeful because as frustrated as I am with PED use and as much as I want to say - just let them do it because if some are and not getting caught it's the only way to level the field that's not the right way to go. It's a very slippery slope once we start down that one.

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Some of you guys clear me up on this. What is the difference between a steroid that your MD gives you for a legit injury and this other stuff? I do know in the course of my job now we we have to deal with DOT drug testing regulations for truck drivers. I just went to a seminar on it a couple of weeks ago but this sports doping thing confuses me. I have also heard the rumor that Red Bull has ground up deer antlers in it like the spray

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