BK in TEXAS Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 Does etching between the grooves actually add any spin? I was looking at one of these tools: http://www.ebay.com/itm/GV1-GOLF-GROOVE-TOOL-4-titleist-vokey-wedge-sand-gap-/290468741183?pt=Golf_Clubs&hash=item43a149403f MENTOR, L4 COACH & TRAINER FIRST TEE GREATER HOUSTON HDCP: 8.3 (GHIN: 3143312) In my bag, April 2023 TS3 Driver & 4 Wood Hzrdous Smoke Shaft (Stiff Flex) TS2 Hybrids Mitsubishi Tensei Shaft (Stiff Flex) MP-59 5-PW; KBS Tour (Regular Flex) SM8 Wedges EVNROLL ER2 Putter SRIXON Z-STAR DIAMOND BALL Sun Mountain Cart Bag 4.0 Push Cart (I'm walking 9 outta 10 rounds!!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoverRick Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 I would say yes, provided that they are new, clean, absolutely no grass between the face and ball, and there is no moisture on the ball. I would imagine that they really do not have much effect after several rounds. If there is any grass or moisture it will act as a cushion and quickly negate any effect of this etching. The principle behind the groove rule was to limit the size of the grooves because the bigger grooves were large enough for water and grass to not have as much effect. With the different face textures they were able to get more spin from the clean lie but are still small enough to be overcome by the grass. I had a friend that used to roughen up the face of his wedges on a belt sander. He would get a bunch more spin. G430LST 10.5° on T P T POWER 18 Hi Driver G430MAX 3w on T P T POWER 18 Hi Fairway G425 3H on T P T POWER 18 Hi Hybrid G425 4H on TGH 80S i525 5-U on TGI 90S SM8 54 & 60 on Wedge DF2.1 on White ProV1 Precision Pro NX7 Pro All Iron grips are BestGrips Micro-Perforated Mid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silver & black Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 I noticed the tool in the link says "groove sharpener". Is it possible to sharpen the grooves with such a tool, and is it legal to sharpen the grooves? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Artful Duffer Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 You can re-sharpen grooves but be careful and note what grooves the tool on question is designed to cut. There are different tools for the old u grooves and for the conforming ones. Groove sharpening is easy but can end up disastrous if its your first go round. Practice on an old wedge first. In Nick's Ogio Edge Stand BagDriver: Taylormade Rocketballz 9.5* Aldila Rip'd NV StiffFairway: Tour Edge CB4 15* Rip Gamma StiffHybrid: Adams Idea Pro A12 18* KBS Tour XIrons: Mizuno MP-53 3-PW DG X100Wedges: Mizuno MP R-12 52* & 56* DG SpinnerPutter: Taylormade Ghost Spider Si 38" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
furu Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 If micro grooves had any effect they would be banned by the USGA. They are not deep enough to do anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul S Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 If micro grooves had any effect they would be banned by the USGA. They are not deep enough to do anything. I disagree. After seeing the new Wilson groves compared to the new Cleveland ones there is a huge difference. Even just running your hand along the face it's extremely apparent that the Wilsons are more aggressive. It almost feels sticky because they're so small. Driver: TaylorMade R9 9.5* with a Diamana Kai'li 70 S shaftFairway: TaylorMade R9 TP 13* with Graphite Design Tour AD YSQ-st X flex Utility: Wilson Staff FYbrid 19.5* Aldila RIP Sigma Stiff Irons: Wilson Staff FG Tour V2 KBS Tour X flex 4-pw (soft-stepped)Wedges: Wilson Staff FG Tour TC 50* (standard grind, bent to 51*) TT DG Spinner, 56* and 60* (tour grinds, bent to 55* and 59*) Dynamic Gold Wedge flexPutter: Yes! Abbie Tour Forged Pro Series 33" Ball: Wilson Staff FG Tour, Maxfli U4 Bag: Wilson Staff NeXus 100th Anniversary carry bag Backup Irons: Wilson Staff FG-17 Tour Blades with TT Dynamic Stiff 3-PW Backup Utility: Mizuno MP-H4 2 iron TT Dynamic Gold R300 Backup Putter: Pro Gear CG 100 33" (Pro Gear is what turned into Yes!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul S Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 On a somewhat related note... What do you guys use for groove cleaning brushes on the course? Do they wear the grooves down more quickly? Driver: TaylorMade R9 9.5* with a Diamana Kai'li 70 S shaftFairway: TaylorMade R9 TP 13* with Graphite Design Tour AD YSQ-st X flex Utility: Wilson Staff FYbrid 19.5* Aldila RIP Sigma Stiff Irons: Wilson Staff FG Tour V2 KBS Tour X flex 4-pw (soft-stepped)Wedges: Wilson Staff FG Tour TC 50* (standard grind, bent to 51*) TT DG Spinner, 56* and 60* (tour grinds, bent to 55* and 59*) Dynamic Gold Wedge flexPutter: Yes! Abbie Tour Forged Pro Series 33" Ball: Wilson Staff FG Tour, Maxfli U4 Bag: Wilson Staff NeXus 100th Anniversary carry bag Backup Irons: Wilson Staff FG-17 Tour Blades with TT Dynamic Stiff 3-PW Backup Utility: Mizuno MP-H4 2 iron TT Dynamic Gold R300 Backup Putter: Pro Gear CG 100 33" (Pro Gear is what turned into Yes!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
furu Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 I disagree. After seeing the new Wilson groves compared to the new Cleveland ones there is a huge difference. Even just running your hand along the face it's extremely apparent that the Wilsons are more aggressive. It almost feels sticky because they're so small. It is not possible to judge spin based on how grooves feel by "running your hand along the face". The etching between grooves are not deep enough. They need to be double the depth allowed. I have to find the article I read. Don't have the link at the moment. Sorry. Would be great to see an independent test of this. Not by someone who makes and sells wedges....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kor.A.Door Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 I looked up the rules on the clubs and it shows in rule 4 appendix II A club that conforms with the Rules when new is deemed to conform after wear through normal use. Any part of a club that has been purposely altered is regarded as new and must, in its altered stated, conform with the Rules. So what it sounds like to me is that if you alter the face of the club it needs to be re-certified as conforming after the alteration. So sanding the face with a belt sander sounds lie it would be illegal unless it was checked to be conforming. Somehow this ended up in a different thread this morning, so I am repostint this here where I thought I was earlier Lefties are always in their Right Mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul S Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 I'm sorry, I didn't mean I was judging the spin that way. Just hypothesizing. I was implying that they seem like they will grab the ball more easily. Driver: TaylorMade R9 9.5* with a Diamana Kai'li 70 S shaftFairway: TaylorMade R9 TP 13* with Graphite Design Tour AD YSQ-st X flex Utility: Wilson Staff FYbrid 19.5* Aldila RIP Sigma Stiff Irons: Wilson Staff FG Tour V2 KBS Tour X flex 4-pw (soft-stepped)Wedges: Wilson Staff FG Tour TC 50* (standard grind, bent to 51*) TT DG Spinner, 56* and 60* (tour grinds, bent to 55* and 59*) Dynamic Gold Wedge flexPutter: Yes! Abbie Tour Forged Pro Series 33" Ball: Wilson Staff FG Tour, Maxfli U4 Bag: Wilson Staff NeXus 100th Anniversary carry bag Backup Irons: Wilson Staff FG-17 Tour Blades with TT Dynamic Stiff 3-PW Backup Utility: Mizuno MP-H4 2 iron TT Dynamic Gold R300 Backup Putter: Pro Gear CG 100 33" (Pro Gear is what turned into Yes!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZenGolfer Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 IMO, the etchings are all marketing hype. They look cool, yeah but they arent deep enough to not fill with grass at impact. "I suppose its better to be a master of 7 than to be vaguely familiar with 14." - Chick Evans Whats in my Sun Mountain 2.5+ stand bag? Woods: Tommy Armour Atomic 10.5* Hybrid: Mizuno MP Fli-Hi 3H Irons: Mizuno T-Zoid True 5, 7 and 9-irons Wedge: Mizuno S18 54* and Top Flite chipper Putter: Mizuno Bettinardi A-02 Ball: Maxfli Tour X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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