Jump to content

The wrists... Do you turn them over?


Recommended Posts

Our Sponsors

Played from the tips today and shot an 80. With the new wrist flipping swing. :lol:

I'm actually crisp on the ball, more so than before. I also choked up to where my top hand is about an inch from the top of the club. I used to have my left hand holding the end of the club so nothing stuck out. Now in my fingers as opposed to my palm, thanks to a few tips from the regular know it alls in here, and I mean that in a positive way, so don't take offense. You know who you are..... RP...lol

 

Anyways, the swing is probably just more of a proper swing now, regardless of how I tried to describe it, actually better balanced to boot. I almost swing easier, let the hips flow out and bang.

 

Best part is I was totally crisping my 4 and 5 irons as well, all day. The only real difference is I lost a club in distance, like now I need an 8 for 150 instead of the 9, but that might also just be from choking up about two inches...

 

But overall it's a big difference, and it's super easy. I think it's probably just a more correct swing in reality, but I can now see it helping overall.

 

To be continued.....

:callaway-small: MavriK Sub Zero 9* on EvenFlow RipTide 6.0 50g

:cobra-small: Speedzone 3-wood on Tensi blue S

:cobra-small: F8 5/6 wood on Aldila NxT GEN MLT R

:Hogan: Combo iron set -8,9,per Icon 5,6,7 PtxPro 4-UiHi on Recoil 780 ES f4 Stiff shafts (best clubs ever)

:benhogan-small: Equalizer 50°, 54°, 60° wedges on Recoil 780 f4

 :EVNROLL: ER3 34”

:titelist-small: ProV1x

:callaway-small: .Org 14 cart bag

Adidas Tour 360 shoes

 

 

Link to post
Share on other sites

Sometimes I wonder about this. Is this the little secret that creates distance and draw? I think that many don't roll their wrists into ball contact, and that it's more of a tennis stroke, as opposed to perhaps a baseball swing.

To me, it seems that is the power source...

 

I dunno, maybe I think too much...

 

You're going to rotate your wrists in the downswing to some degree. However, it's not what produces an accurate draw towards the target. If you're hitting a draw that starts to the 'push side' of the golfer (i.e. out to the right for a right handed golfer) and draws back to the target; the clubface HAS to be *open* to some degree with relation to the target, at impact.

 

All purposely rolling the wrists over creates is a greater likelihood the that the clubface will be close at impact...which is actually needed for a fade that starts to the pull side and fades back to the target.

 

Also, all things being equal a draw does not go further than a fade.

 

The rotating of the wrists is a power source. It's one of the many ways we generate more club head speed. But if you don't rotate the wrists, the face will be wide open and impact and you will almost be assured to miss the shot well to the right.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

3JACK

Author of Pro Golf Synopsis. The Moneyball approach to golf strategy and analysis.Driver: Wishon 919THI, 10° loft, UST Mamiya VTS Red 7x, 44-3/8” long, 2,825 kg/cm^2 MOIGONZO WOOD: confidential2-Hybrid: Mizuno Fli-HiCLK, 17° loft, 40-7/8" KBS Tour Hybrid shaft (stiff)3-Hybrid: Mizuno Fli-HiCLK, 20° loft, 40" KBS Tour Hybrid shaft (stiff)4-6 iron: Wishon 575MMC (CB)7-PW: Wishon 575MMC (MB)SW: Edel Golf driver grind, 52° loft, 16° bounce, Nippon WV 125 shaft.LW: Edel Golf Digger Grind, 60° loft, 27° bounce, Nippon WV 125 ShaftPutter: Edel Golf Columbia Custom Made, 35" long, 72° lie angle, 3° loft. Ball: Titleist Pro V1xGrips: PURE Grips P2 Wrap (red)Shoes: FootJoy Dry-Joy (black, size 14)3Jack's Golf Blog - http://3jack.blogspot.com

Link to post
Share on other sites

You're going to rotate your wrists in the downswing to some degree. However, it's not what produces an accurate draw towards the target. If you're hitting a draw that starts to the 'push side' of the golfer (i.e. out to the right for a right handed golfer) and draws back to the target; the clubface HAS to be *open* to some degree with relation to the target, at impact.

 

All purposely rolling the wrists over creates is a greater likelihood the that the clubface will be close at impact...which is actually needed for a fade that starts to the pull side and fades back to the target.

 

Also, all things being equal a draw does not go further than a fade.

 

The rotating of the wrists is a power source. It's one of the many ways we generate more club head speed. But if you don't rotate the wrists, the face will be wide open and impact and you will almost be assured to miss the shot well to the right.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

3JACK

 

You have confused me Jack. I thought an open face created a fade, and a closed face creates a draw. And I also thought a draw , all things being equal, goes further because the ball is going to run forward on the ground, and a fade runs away...

 

But what do I know, I'm a wrist flipper....

:D

:callaway-small: MavriK Sub Zero 9* on EvenFlow RipTide 6.0 50g

:cobra-small: Speedzone 3-wood on Tensi blue S

:cobra-small: F8 5/6 wood on Aldila NxT GEN MLT R

:Hogan: Combo iron set -8,9,per Icon 5,6,7 PtxPro 4-UiHi on Recoil 780 ES f4 Stiff shafts (best clubs ever)

:benhogan-small: Equalizer 50°, 54°, 60° wedges on Recoil 780 f4

 :EVNROLL: ER3 34”

:titelist-small: ProV1x

:callaway-small: .Org 14 cart bag

Adidas Tour 360 shoes

 

 

Link to post
Share on other sites

I thought an open face created a fade, and a closed face creates a draw.

 

A closed face to your swing path is what creates a draw shot shape just like the open face to path makes the ball fade

Driver:   :callaway-small: Epic 10.5 set to 9.5 w/ Tour AD-DI 44.5

FW:   :cobra-small: F6 baffler set at 16º

Hybrid:  NONE
Irons:   :taylormade-small:  3i 2014 TP CB  4-PW 2011 TP MC w/ TT S400

Wedges:   :nike-small: 52º :nike-small: 56º  :edel-golf-1: 60 º w/ KBS C-Taper XS Soft-stepped

Putter:   :ping-small: Sigma G Tyne 34 inches Gold dot

 

 

Link to post
Share on other sites

Am I correct that the face angle dictates where the ball starts and swing path relative to face angle determines if it fades or draws?

 

Richard

 

I am good mate, just been very busy. Thanks for asking.

 

AJ

WITB

Driver: Ping G25

FW: TM RBZ

Irons: Miura 57 Series w/KBS C-Taper

Wedges: Vokey SM4 52-08,56-12,60-04

Putter: Watch This Space

Ball: SRixon Z Star

Other: Tourstriker 7i

 

"Go Hard or Go Home"

 

"Do or Do Not. There is NO "TRY"

 

"Be normal, and the crowd will accept you. Be deranged, and they will make you their leader"

 

"I don't fail. I succeed at finding what doesn't work"

Link to post
Share on other sites
  • SPY VIP

Am I correct that the face angle dictates where the ball starts and swing path relative to face angle determines if it fades or draws?

 

Richard

 

I am good mate, just been very busy. Thanks for asking.

 

AJ

 

There ya go...for all intents and purposes face angle (relative to target line) is responsible for where the ball starts, and the path...(actually relationship of said face angle to path determines curvature.

 

Open to the target and closed to the path produces a draw/push hook

Open to the target and open to the path produces push fade/slice

Closed to the target and open to the path produces pull fade/slice

Closed to the target, closed to the face pull hook/snapper

 

This is a matter of physics (as opposed to some instructor's opinion), flipping, rotating, whatever doesn't change the above absolutes.

 

I'm a big fan of the soccer analogy. If you want to bend the ball into the far corner post, you open your foot, and swing inside to out at the ball. If you apply the old ball flight laws (face angle determines curvature, path determines starting line) to soccer, the application would be closing your foot (outstep if you will), and, kicking it towards the near post...Those of us who have played soccer know that this produces basically the absolute opposite of the desired result (and yet, some golf instructors still argue to the contrary).

 

Once you realize and accept that there is no golf exclusion to the laws of physics, the basics of ball flight are pretty simply. We can talk about the takeaway, and positions at the top, and transition moves until we're blue in the face...and yes, being in certain positions at certain points in the golf swing can be advantageous to producing the desired results, but the reality is, the totality of ball flight is determined at the moment of impact (1/4000 faster than the blink of a human eye), and nowhere else.

MyGolfSpy is only major golf site that refuses advertising from large golf companies. With your support we can keep it that way. Donate Today
 


Subscribe to the MyGolfSpy Newsletter

Link to post
Share on other sites

Okay this is a conversation that I'm sad I missed out on.

 

I'll try a hand at it - I would think that its entirely possible you feel as if you are releasing your wrist as a by product of a sound swing. Like lots of things in golf this "move" can't be artificially created and if you do and if you do - trouble ensues.

 

At some point you have to see the ball, be the ball and let it happen - if your still in the learning the swing phase its a different matter but I doubt that's the case for a lower handicapper.

 

Having written that I know that there are plenty of people who stumble on being good at golf because I was one of those - did it by reading, trial and error, I did a Jimmy Ballard 3 day when I was in my early 30's but had no follow up and then took lessons in my mid 40's because I had a pro in my congregation whom I played with alot - those lessons were more of the course management, set make up, fitting variety than anything else though because he was satisfied that my swing works.

 

But it is what it is and the only way to hit the ball farther is to swing the club faster - there's no secret to that - if I want to hit it farther I need to hit the gym - that's more than likely the case for most of us here - its not as much our swings as we need the swings we have to go faster at impact.

Ping G410 - set at 12 degrees, fade setting - Fujikura Motore X R flex

Ping G410 5-9 wood

G30 6-PW -  Aerotech FT 500 shafts

SCOR 48,52,56,60

EVNRoll ER 5

Titleist Pro VIx optic yellow with revkev stamped on them

Link to post
Share on other sites

Going to the gym can help some people. Now we are seeing more studies showing how the golfer's ability to use the ground helps with generating more club head speed. So more explosive legs can theoretically push off the ground with more force and generate more club head speed. When we think of a few of our longer hitters on Tour over the years, Nicklaus...Woodland...Bubba....Dustin.....all had legitimate basketball experience. Guys that generated big-time club head speed like Tiger and Mac O'Grady were avid runners.

 

However, all of it is for not if one cannot incorporate the mechanics to use the ground more.

 

For example, a former teacher of mine named Ted Fort worked with a guy who played college football and was a champion downhill skier. They went to TPI to test him out and TPI said he tested extremely well by them. But, he could only generate 85 mph of club head speed with the driver. Eventually they worked on his swing enough and got him clocked near 120 mph. In fact, he was clocked once at 119 mph with a 5-iron, which obscene.

 

But if you really want to improve your game I recommend understanding the D-Plane, the low point, vertical/horizontal gear effect and how it changes the ball's flight and the geometry of a circle. Those are 'laws' that don't change and can't be argued. The rest is theory, application and trying to convey the point to the golfer so they can understand and execute. But if you know those 'laws', one can always understand what is going on at impact and get started in a good direction of what needs to happen in order to hopefully improve their results.

 

 

 

 

 

3JACK

Author of Pro Golf Synopsis. The Moneyball approach to golf strategy and analysis.Driver: Wishon 919THI, 10° loft, UST Mamiya VTS Red 7x, 44-3/8” long, 2,825 kg/cm^2 MOIGONZO WOOD: confidential2-Hybrid: Mizuno Fli-HiCLK, 17° loft, 40-7/8" KBS Tour Hybrid shaft (stiff)3-Hybrid: Mizuno Fli-HiCLK, 20° loft, 40" KBS Tour Hybrid shaft (stiff)4-6 iron: Wishon 575MMC (CB)7-PW: Wishon 575MMC (MB)SW: Edel Golf driver grind, 52° loft, 16° bounce, Nippon WV 125 shaft.LW: Edel Golf Digger Grind, 60° loft, 27° bounce, Nippon WV 125 ShaftPutter: Edel Golf Columbia Custom Made, 35" long, 72° lie angle, 3° loft. Ball: Titleist Pro V1xGrips: PURE Grips P2 Wrap (red)Shoes: FootJoy Dry-Joy (black, size 14)3Jack's Golf Blog - http://3jack.blogspot.com

Link to post
Share on other sites

I think I need to go to golfsmith on their monitor to see what this "new" swing is doing... Will be interesting to see if anything changes...

:callaway-small: MavriK Sub Zero 9* on EvenFlow RipTide 6.0 50g

:cobra-small: Speedzone 3-wood on Tensi blue S

:cobra-small: F8 5/6 wood on Aldila NxT GEN MLT R

:Hogan: Combo iron set -8,9,per Icon 5,6,7 PtxPro 4-UiHi on Recoil 780 ES f4 Stiff shafts (best clubs ever)

:benhogan-small: Equalizer 50°, 54°, 60° wedges on Recoil 780 f4

 :EVNROLL: ER3 34”

:titelist-small: ProV1x

:callaway-small: .Org 14 cart bag

Adidas Tour 360 shoes

 

 

Link to post
Share on other sites

I think I need to go to golfsmith on their monitor to see what this "new" swing is doing... Will be interesting to see if anything changes...

 

I went to my local GolfBox here in Perth and they have all the latest in swing monitoring equipment and it is amazing to see the mathematics of my swing compared to what I am feeling in the swing.

 

They also have the floor sensors that can tell you where your weight is being distributed throughout the swing. This information alone improved my swing 10 fold.

 

AJ

WITB

Driver: Ping G25

FW: TM RBZ

Irons: Miura 57 Series w/KBS C-Taper

Wedges: Vokey SM4 52-08,56-12,60-04

Putter: Watch This Space

Ball: SRixon Z Star

Other: Tourstriker 7i

 

"Go Hard or Go Home"

 

"Do or Do Not. There is NO "TRY"

 

"Be normal, and the crowd will accept you. Be deranged, and they will make you their leader"

 

"I don't fail. I succeed at finding what doesn't work"

Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

×
×
  • Create New...