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This fellow mentioned he really trys to engage his lats to pull the club but I’m not sure how exactly this would be done, is it supposed to feel like your trying to jerk your lat muscle away from your back? https://youtu.be/yn-g_TRrnh4?t=34
should you try to engage both lat muscles for both the down swing & back swing - or do you only engage the rear lat for the backswing & front lat for downswing
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At 7:37 in this video he says "the shoulders are a touch more to the right", how would you move your shoulders more to the right without also rotating your spine, so your spine stays in the original position?
Here's the exact point
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yes ive watched many of those & copied them but still experience it - could the problem be caused by your front hip muscles not being strong enough to resist being pulled inwards?
I try to keep my front knee in the [almost] same lateral position as the hips while it bends, so that quad muscle could also be to weak, so while it bends allowing itself to get pulled in, which pulls the hip inwards along with it
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Any recommendations on how you can bend your front knee without shifting your hips?
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I'd still think he'd forward press no matter what length the iron is because If you see here on the video in the right [when he still used similar swing technique for both driver & irons] he still has almost as much forward press as he did for his iron
40 minutes ago, CarlH said:If you note, it's a wedge in his hand, it's back in his stance, and his head slightly ahead of the ball. He's not manipulating anything or forcing it...that's just the way the club will align with his body.
Just curious, but what's your goal here? Replicate Bryson?
Trying to do something like that swing yes, plus even if it's a wedge it still would be 37.5" as all his irons are that length
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when looking at his irons he has forward tilt in his club [this is from 2018 but I don't believe he's changed that, I can't find any more recent front view iron videos]
Do you know what's the cause of this? From looking at that picture his wrists are in a straight line so I don't believe he is tilting his wrists to forward press the club
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thanks, is there anyway to know how much tilt you have in your spine without having to watch yourself on a camera, so that you can replicate the exact same amount of tilt each time?
What I do is stand up straight, do the side tilt of my spine away from the target then bend over to address the ball but sometimes I tilt too much
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12 minutes ago, CarlH said:
You'd have an open alignment of the shoulders. Not exactly the recipe for solid ball striking. You'd have to manipulate your swing somehow in order to return it to the ball in a manner to produce decent contact.
And how about the opposite as in having your spine tilted slightly away from the target at setup (so your shirt buttons would be pointing at your rear foot)
I'm trying to do something similar to this swing but I'm not sure whether his spine is tilted or straight up
I know he has forward shaft lean & hip is slightly towards target but I'm wondering if the spine is also tilted at address too
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What effects would rotating your spine slightly towards the target at setup have?
Is your spine rotated towards the target at setup too?
What I mean is rotating your sternum so that it's facing your front foot at setup
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37 minutes ago, russtopherb said:
OK. Why?
I like his swing so thought I'd try replicating it
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3 hours ago, Shapotomous said:
Got any pics or videos of face on and down the line? Proper grip & set up position are a good place to start.
Here's a side video Where I'm trying to incorporate it
https://gfycat.com/WhiteQuaintEgg
I'm trying to get a swing something like this first swing
the camera is lower than normal
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I'm going to try cocking my wrists during my backswing, about when my arms go past parallel to the ground but I'm wondering do you gradually cock your wrists or is it something which insts tly happens? Eg for full swings should your wrists be more cocked than for 3\4 swings?
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What I'm doing is I read hogans book, because bryson incorporates half of that along with moe norman
So I've incorporated the pieces that bryson has in his swing [eg the front arm stays pressed against the outer chest area throughout, one plane] along with the one axis from moe
I believe the reason bryson has external shoulder rotation is because of how he has his rear elbow setup, if you look at this video you'll see he has his rear elbow very externally rotated at setup
I tried this myself but it's resulting in fat shots - maybe I'm not keeping my rear elbow in this externally rotated position throughout the backswing which I think he does until the transition
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I'm trying to get more power in striking the ball
I haven't gone to an instructor as there isn't one nearby
I'm follows parts of his swing method along with decambeaus
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10 hours ago, RickyBobby_PR said:
The spine and shoulder rotation have nothing to do with each other. Externally rotate your right shoulder. This action depending on the type of swing will be done more in going from lead arm parallel to the top of the swing and moving my more so in transition or it can be done from the top of the swing into transition. Someone like a Matt Wolff is going to do it at the top of the swing as would a Jim Furyk. Some others that have a flatter swing will have done it earlier in the swing.
The issue is if you have to much too early you won’t be able to shallow the shaft because it won’t be able to rotate anymore and will actually move back towards internal rotation and steepen the shaft and cause the body to stall and arms react to the steep shaft and make contact less efficient.
but again you are chasing a position probably for the wrong reason and will end up going down a rabbit hole and not solving whatever swing issue/ball flight pattern you are working on
One more question about that, from looking at the start of this video when does this player externally rotate his rear shoulder
Is it done earlier or later in the swing?
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4 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said:
By externally rotating the shoulder. Your current positioning isn’t a bad thing. You would just have to externally rotate as you shallow the shaft.
In all of your posts so far about the swing so far your focus in on the symptoms in a swing and not the cause. You need to figure out what you are doing that puts you in those positions.
Thers lots of ways to swing a club and what happens from between shaft parallel and top of the swing is compensation for what happened between address and shaft parallel.
Some questions.
What ball flight problem are you trying to fix?
Are you just leaning the golf swing and if so have you gone to an instructor at all?
One of your posts was about Hogan’s method of swinging? Have you read his book and followed his approach from the book?
when you say "By externally rotating the shoulder." that means more spinal rotation? So if your spine was rotated about 80*, rotating it 100* would externally rotate your rear elbow more?
I'll get back to you on the other things later
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I'm trying to get my elbow like this at the top
Currently it looks like this
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Like in this video this righty says he swings the club back to 10 o clock , 11 o clock etc https://youtu.be/IcZp9UcfnTI?t=78
Would lefties do it the opposite way? E.g. 1 o clock, 2 o clock etc.
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When players waggle is that caused by them bringing their arms back or rotating their spine back?
I've read your shoulders are what moves your arms, so that must mean the waggle is started by rotating your spine \shoulders back
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From looking at that video the spine & hips is rotating first, and the arms start to lift when he bends his knee [nearest to the target] forward
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I'm trying to emulate hogans method where left arm just elevate and the spine rotates it, but I'm having trouble getting consistency lifting the arm in the same 3d position during the takeaway, because I either lift my arm quickly causing it to be far ahead or slowly causing it to be near my body
Should the arm start to elevate at the exact same moment as your shoulder and hips turn, or should you turn the hips & shoulders followed by a split second later elevating the arms?
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Do you know any dynamic stretches /regular stretches you can do to increase your spines rotation more than 90*? I can only rotate my spine slightly more than my hips, maybe 80* because I'm not flexible enough
I'm not sure if it's caused by my back not being flexible enough or my shoulders not being flexible, maybe both
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Im trying to learn to swing my wedges equally as fast as the irons for full & partial shots, because I'm subconsciously swinging the wedges slower than the ironseg I'd like to swing a 4 iron at equal speeds as a lob wedge for full, 3\4, half swing shots, to improve consistency
I think it's because I can see that I'm nearer to the flag\green which Is making me slow my swing down
Any tips in how to do this?
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What % of the time do you think you'd use it for partial shots as opposed to bunker/chip/pitch/flop shots?
using lats to pull club down and up
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Posted · Edited by Timmytoe
He has a very unconventional swing and no one around my area teaches it, but it's no problem as I'm not to far away from figuring it out/replicating it , albeit a rough version
When I'm at an area that does teach his swing I'll visit them and they'l sharpen it up but in the meantine I'm trying to figure it out myself