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JMiller

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  1. I have to agree with everyone that has posted before me that has made comments about the short game / putting being the difference and course management. Gery Player on a playing lesson on golf channel recently said "You take a 15 handicap and have Tiger Woods hit the first 2 shots into par4s / par5s then have them take over they would be a 13handicap, you take that same 15 handicap have them hit the first 2 shots then have Tiger Woods take over they would be a 3 handicap". I have attached the wake forest practice routine, I found it awhile back on "the other site" wake_forest_practice.pdf I use a drill given to me by Bruce Rearick (Burnt Edges Consulting) at putting "guru" called the coin drill. This drill is done by putting a small coin like a dime down on the green 18" in front of the ball then rolling the ball over that coin with different length strokes and the same tempo. It has worked great for me to find my speed, I take the target completely out of play make 5 putts with different length strokes and look at what my resulting distance happens to be. I try to determine speed of the greens in this manner so that when I visually look at greens / targets I can relate it back to feel / length of stroke from this coin drill. I'm not implying that distance is less important then direction in putting, you need both to hole a putt. If you are trying to develop a consistent method, I have tried a lot of things and found that the coin drill works really well. If you start missing the coin one direction or the other on a regular basis maybe there is an issue in your putting stroke or an issue with the putter design for your method? As for short game focus on shots inside 150 yards, whatever clubs you hit to that distance. ~ 0" choke with all clubs at 1/2, 3/4, full swings ~ 1" choke with all clubs at 1/2, 3/4, full swings ~ 2" choke down all clubs at 1/2, 3/4, full swings ~ 3" choke down all clubs at 1/2, 3/4. full swings You might find that 3" choke on a 56* goes same distance as a 60* with 0" choke this gets into controlling spin / trajectory more. If you hit a lower shot it might not fly as far but releases more, if you hit a higher shot it might fly further and stop where it hits. You can really fine tune your distances on your scoring clubs when you get to the pint of knowing stock distances of the above suggestion then starting to control trajectory using the same amounts of choke and swing length. Anyways, just thought I would toss out some ideas, I know with patience and hard work you can get there, just don't force the issue and make silly mistakes. Honestly your biggest asset in golf is patience and your mind. EDIT I had forgotten about some of the silly things that I used to do in college to make practicing fun. ~ 18 shots from various lenghs, lies, etc around the green then putt out the results. This would be to simulate missing 100% of the GIR in a round, I keep track of how many I saved and failed I would be after 18 times. If I save all 18 that's Par, up and two putt bogey, double pitches + 1 putt bogey, double pitches + 2 putts double bogey, etc. ~ 18 putts from around the green with 6 short, 6 medium, 6 long ranges to simulate various length birdie putts, again keep track of your score to par 1 putt = birdie, 2 putts = par, 3 putts bogey, etc. I also totally forgot to mention course management after briefly skipping over it in my first sentence. I think JBones, Rickles covered it perfectly. It's common sense really "keep it in play, eliminate the places on the course where you don't want to be."
  2. I have seen a lot of swings over the years, one thing stays the same... What people FEEL / THINK they are doing is drastically different from what is actually happening. I am personally a Hybrid-plane which would be like the following players roughly: Greg Norman, Adam Scott, Tiger Woods (with Butch), Byron Nelson Well Nicklaus had a two-plane swing model with a lot of lift in the arms, the lateral slide / leg drive he had in transition was to get the hands to drop without the hips rotating. If you have lift in your arms to the top of the backswing you have to counter that in the downswing transition with lateral slide in the hips. If the hips rotate first in a hybrid or two-plane swing model then you'll get the club stuck behind you and result in flipping the club (pushes, hooks when not timed well), or the shoulders rotate open resulting in pulls or pulls slices. Just thought I would comment that maybe completely killing the leg drive is a bad thing for you, I can't recall what swing model I thought you had last time you posted a video. I do remember that it has some lift so I want to say either a Hybrid or two-plane model?
  3. Lessons are never a bad idea, it is rare for tour players to not have a "guru" of some kind may it be full swing, putting, short game or three different people for all of those. I think learning golf takes time and practice / patience. I would recommend buying 5 lessons at a time, teaching professionals normally have a deal buy 4 get one free type of thing. Take only one lesson once every 2 to 4 weeks, this will allow you to focus on 1 or 2 things only and practice them, next time you go in then hopefully you show improvement in whatever you are working on and can start to work on 1 or 2 other things if you are confident enough with the changes. When selecting an instructor don't be scared to ask them about their teaching philosophy and ask them what plan they would take based on your goals. Honestly, finding the right instructor for you is very important. You have to like that person and be willing to accept their advice. It is a lot easier on both of you when you as the student listens and asks meaningful questions that are productive. If you don't buy into a concept or doubt that it will work then you'll have conflicts in what the instructor is telling you and what you think you know. I don't do this for a living but, i wouldn't see the point as the instructor to have a student pay me to tell me what they know or what they think they know, not accepting the concepts / solutions that I am providing them. So maybe even see if they will do a 15 or 30 min trial lesson to see if you enjoy their teaching style. Really at the end of the day you are their client and can take your business other places so if you are not satisfied don't force the issue. Interview them a little just like they will interview you in a way, I look at it more like a team of 2 then instructor / student there is some give and take in both directions a lot of times.
  4. Let me tell a story real fast and this is not directed at anyone other then myself. Let me ramble here for a minute, beer with me. In college I played pretty dang good golf, played down to a 1.1 at my lowest but held a solid 1-3 from late 2007 to May 2009. I had a lot of potential but the state of my game was poor. It wasn't mechanics, it wasn't really poor course management (some of it was but not that bad), it was mostly a very negative / poor mindset that caused me to hit the wall. For me, I played for money all the time in college and lost a lot of money because when it went sideways my mind went to a dark place and I gave my opponents strokes for free "gifts", I had a hard time letting go of the past. It didn't matter how much I played for and if I could cover the bets or not it literally just never "clicked". I couldn't understand why my scores were not lower then what I felt my potential had to offer. Heck 1-3 handicap with a poor mental state is really really good golf. Doing what everyone else does when they hit the wall I figured it was mechanical not knowing any better. I ended up getting worse and worse to the point I didn't play a lot of golf because it wasn't fun to me anymore and I was short on funds from May 2009 to Jan 2012. I was able to keep a 7-9 playing 1 or 2 times a month so that's some sort of accomplishment. The only way I was able to keep that low of a handicap is change my mindset towards the game and change my outlook in life. For me being better mentally on and off the course in terms of being positive and not as hard on myself. Attempting to enjoy life for NOW instead of being stuck in the past and try not to look to much into the future. I figure if i work hard the results that I want in terms of goals will come to me without forcing it. Honestly, without getting real personal about my life off the golf course I was doing some searching for mental game of golf, I found GolfPsych.com, I have not paid them one penny for anything. I printed out their basic 8 traits quiz and had my fiancee (girlfriend at the time) fill in the quiz for me (i had already taken it and didn't get great results, so I wanted to see if my scores were accurate. What happened as a result of the quiz made me feel like I was the size of an ant. Not only did she score me differently on a lot of the questions she scored me way worse then I had scored myself. Right then and there, I committed myself to changing and being a better person, I'm not always perfect and I don't care to be perfect. Life is really a game of playable misses anyways just like golf so why not roll with it and not let it bug me? I still have a little work to do in that department but we are getting there. I make the recommendation that figuring out what your strengths and weaknesses are on the golf course is important to do as soon as you can start it. Don't fall into the trap of being the player like me that has a ton of talent / potential and you throw it away because your not in the right place mentally. Don't go into that dark place and get down on yourself or be a perfectionist. Look at Sergio Garcia as your prime example of how not to be mentally. Bubba Watson also struggled with this same concept on the course but obviously has gotten a ton better about it. Just do what you can to mentally improve off the course, it can help on the course and honestly in life in general. Sorry for the long ramble but the mental side of the game has hit me pretty close to home in terms of one of my weaker points. I'm way better at course management, I'm a lot better at letting go of the past. I'm still working on not worrying about the future at times, but there is always room for improvement. This happens to be one subject I am attempting my hardest to get people not to make the same mistakes I have with their golf game.
  5. It sounds like it's a stuck club but I could be way wrong. I don't know what your swing looks like only going off what I am reading Sorry if you already knew this but the two most common shots that result from a stuck downswing position are a push (late timing the flip) or a hook (early timing the flip). With you rotting the body to swing down the third base line and feel like you are coming outside to inside this sort is the other option you have with a stuck club in the downswing, shoulder rotate open pulling the club into impact and you don't flip this way. You can get into a stuck position on the way down multiple ways so if that is the problem, I am not 100% sure that it is, then you would probably need to get video or talk to an instructor about properly sequencing your swing model whatever it is. It might involve tweaking the backswing positions a little and leaving the downswing alone. It might be changing the downswing sequence and leaving the backswing alone. It just sounds like you are in a sequence of motion conflict here.
  6. Maybe they would agree with me or not, they were the ones that did add the rule for the reason of PGA of America / Rules officials could call in if they saw something. So that really goes against what I think We are the only sport that allows the score to be determined by someone not on the field of play. You call into a football game because they missed a call like holding a play or two before the offensive team scores a touch down, they laugh at you and say "we are human and can't catch everything". It's not like they are going to adjust whom won the game by removing the 7 points for the TD and PAT the play or two after the missed violation happened. I guess I'm just trying to find a little logic in a game where some of the rules are far from logical. Really, a lot of us here play serious golf by the rules, if we know we violated a rule we call it on ourselves. If we are not sure of a rule we ask our playing partners or a rules official when available. i carry a rules book in my bag so that I can look up a rule if needed for someone. I think it is WAY over kill to have TV callers aka "sofa officials" watching every move of the stars and letting the John Doe off because they not on TV for the same violation.
  7. That's fine, we figured it out I think... Getting back on topic, it is my opinion not that apprenti23 doesn't have a valid point here in terms of his opinion. It might be useful to at least start the mental training prior to playing in your first tournament, you can at least get the theory behind the concepts then play tournaments learning how to apply them and in return know what you need to work on that is a weakness. EDIT: it just doesn't "click" for everyone on how to break through a mental barrier, the point I am making here is that some people need to do the homework and practice before stepping foot on the course and then just apply that knowledge. I don't think you need to sit there and think about anything other then "being present" or "in the moment" in any round of golf if you want to score well. So I guess I needed to be a bit clearer on my opinions here. My apologies.
  8. fsav, no you are correct in the since the weight do have an effect on the shaft. With the same shaft a heavier head weight will get the shaft bending slightly more then a lighter shaft (amount of load). With the same weight head a softer shaft will bend more then a stiffer one. So I'm not 100% sure where to point the finger. That was way I recommended just checking everything. Maybe the swing-weight comes out D2 on both, but one shaft is say 255CPM where the other is 260CPM they are going to play differently as the shaft profiles / flex are not the same. Sorry if I wasn't clear before.
  9. So what you are saying this that true stiffness of a shaft, shaft droop, shaft profile can't create a miss-hit? It is my opinion that you have to eliminate that possibility. A number of things can change ball flight and cause mishits outside of swing weight. I will politely disagree with that statement why else would custom fitting benefit 90% or more of the golfers out there?
  10. If you are going to check swing weight check the other specifications as well at the same time on both clubs, why not ~ Length ~ Shaft CPM (Butt stiffness) ~ Shaft profile (kick point / torque rating) If they are both practically the same in the above then I'm not sure if it's the equipment and then it might be something else going on to cause the chilli dips.
  11. This is fucking hilarious to me, you sit there not a day ago and make a comment on one of my posts about perception of putting / wedges in an attempt to rebuttals when opinion on my thoughts. All I did was sit there and give a detailed explanation of my thought process where your interpretations were incorrect. The rules are now reversed, I post my opinion about something you said because it appeared it was directly related at my post with reading materials, so really it appeared that once again YOU started the rebuttals s*** of one of my posts. All I did was again express my opinion on your comments towards what I felt was an opposite opinion / direct response to my posts. So what your suggestions are 1) ignore you, which if I wanted I could easily do but don't feel it is warranted. 2) Go **** myself because my opinion doesn't matter. Interesting, coming from someone that is a "Class A". This just shows me right there what kind of person you are. Thanks for bring that to light and I will once again tell you this: I appreciate your comments as they let me post my opinions and thought process on various subjects. I might come off like an ******* at times, but I'm just being bluntly honest it's nothing against you personally or anyone else, hell I don't even know you how could it be personal? Anyways, I'll apologize to the OP for getting Off-topic to tournament golf and mental game, EVERYONE please feel free to continue your opinions if you have them.
  12. I agree with you, I have beat this down like a dead horse. I am willing to bet 90% or more of the people reading this would just have dropped in the drop zone and not even contemplated the other two options if they even knew them by the rules. They would have never even found themselves in the situation Tiger did because of the logic / decision making of the average player. With that said if John Doe makes the same mistake when the cameras are not pointed at him, I have a feeling that the player doesn't get caught by the rule. The problem is more that the stars / leaders are under the microscope way more then the no-names that still make a living on tour but don't often win, they just truck along and keep themselves in the top 100 on the money list. It's more unfair to the stars / leaders then it is the "nobody". I think that Rule 33-7/4.5 has set the expectations for the stars / leaders of a golf tournament that are under the microscope the DQ will always be waived when a rules infraction happens that they are not aware of. I mean honestly, I can't say that anyone that is on Tour is going to attempt to violate a rule on purpose to gain an advantage over the field and flat out cheat. You might see that kind of crap on your local Mini Tours from time to time but those guys will never make it past where they are at. So the guy not under the camera gets no penalty and the guy under the camera looks down the barrel of a 2 shot or DQ because they are a star. I don't really think it's fair to the field / competition to have only a select group of people "caught by the rules". The USGA / PGA Tour need to figure out a way that will give a even playing field across the board for everyone in every tournament. If that means putting a walking official with every group using shot tracker / technology to confirm scores for everyone while they are still on the course, whatever it takes to gain the level playing field again. Maybe the simplest answer is to stop allowing the stupid ass call-ins on rules violations as it only effects what is shown by TV Networks and no one else, bring in "caught by the rules". Oh well just my 2cents, this is the third time I have posted something about this situation on this site alone, I got asked about it at the Golf Course by employees and members that know me as well what I thought about it. Almost seems like hell has frozen over
  13. I now that majority of people can not feel 1 point on any club. I think really as the handicap gets higher the less of a feel the person will probably have. I wouldn't expect most 20 handicaps for example to tell the different in even 3 points they might start not notice at 4 or 5 points or higher amounts of change getting into the drastic amounts. I would imagine that their is someone out there wouldn't be able to tell between a 5 to 6 points even. If you look at the different lengths and swing weights of the putter you start to get a little more of a picture of really what weights and lengths come standard: Scotty Cameron Newport 2 Loft : 4° Lie : 71° Length : 33", 34", 35" Headweight : 360g, 350g, 340g Swingweight : C9-D1, D2-D4, D6-D8 I think this tells you that the manufacture feels that majority of it's users will not feel within 1 to 2 points of swing weight change in a single length. Which I would tend to agree with for majority of players that they won't feel the difference between C9 and D1. I just had my Scotty Cameron Newport 2 (Carbon >> original finish was the oil can finish) it sits at 33", the loft was 2* I had that moved to 4* then I had to re-figure out what weight I needed at the new loft. Tried things like 340g, 346g, 350g, 360g, 370g to see where my stroke smoothed out and my distance control / feel was the best. I'll see what happens with it, currently It's at 370g (the head weighs 332g, there is a 8g tip weight in it, now there is 30g of powder weight / cork down the shaft to get the feel / swing weight up), It would swing weight something around D2-D5 I would imagine. I haven't actually tested teh swing weight so I can't give you a specific conclusion on it. If I were to make a guess at it probably D3 or D4 is my best guess. But you are right it is an interesting topic, like I said I think people might be more sensitive on a putter as the swing is a lot slower.
  14. lol yea, I guess you can sum my ramble up in these words
  15. No it's fine, I was just completely confused as to the question your were after getting answered. Well it could be a combination of equipment and swing flaw. Without eliminating one or the other I can't tell you one way or the other what it might be. I would suspect a swing flaw more then equipment issues but it could be an equipment issue causing the flaw.
  16. I'm not really sure why this is in the Golf Lessons, Mental Game & Fitness Tips section? You are asking about equipment not why you are chilli dipping the club you are asking about shafts? Anyways, I know that the 14.5* in the Adams XTD is 43.5" I'm not sure what the R11 happens to be in the loft that you have it could be 43.00" so the issue could be something like length and/or weight between the two clubs. Have you had the specs checked on both of them to see if they are roughly the same?
  17. I don't persoanlly think it's great advice to tell someone that if they don't perform in the first couple of tournaments that play in and don't do well then they should quit tournament golf all together. Honestly, all that needs done is a little diagnosis of the reason that the player is not performing up to expectations. If you just go out an "do" and never learn anything then you'll never improve. I don't see the harm in reading some materials to help yourself understand the mental side of the game. It is really no secrete that tour guys a lot of them have sports psychologists on their team of coaches. Dr. Bob Rotella happens to be a perfect example. Quitting playing tournaments or golf based on performance would be ridicules. I don't think I have ever learned anything from the great rounds of golf only the bad ones.
  18. Well, a swing weight in a driver not mattering is a matter of opinion, i got into that debate over in the blog post. For me as a better player I can normally pick up the difference between 1 point when I swing the club, it effects my timing into impact slightly / my control of the shot or consistency on the face of the club. I can see where some people are a lot less sensitive to swing weight espesually with a driver at the speed / tempo they swing it or I mean try to kill it. If you don't have tempo / consistency in the swing then it's less likely you'll be able to pick up on subtitle things like 1 point swing weight change. For me I can't play clubs once they get down bellow D2, I get in front of the ball at D0-D1 which causes nasty results. I also can't play something once it gets to D7 or heavier it tends to slow down my hands too much and i get behind in my timing. So finding the happy middle is right around D3-D6 for me more preferably D4 / D5. If you cut down a driver from 45.00" to 44.50" you are likely to lose about 2 or 3 points, so to get the same heavier feel that you had at 45.00" you need to add 2g per 1 swing weight point lost. As for a putter: I think people might be more sensitive to the head weight as the club is a slower stroke / swing. There is a delay between what you see / feel and what is really going on. With the slower stroke the delay is short enough people will manipulate the head when the weight is off and something looks or feels off. At least that;'s my best guess at it in terms of weight on a putter changing. My logic and from my own putting experience of my model: When the putter is too light I tend to accelerate it too much or take too long a back stroke / decelerate coming through. I don't have the resistance / feedback in head weight I need to stay in tempo. I will almost always bee long and / or left of my line when the putter gets a touch light. When the putter gets too heavy a lot of times the player will leave the putt short on even 10 foot putts and really short on lag putting. For me I tend to leave the ball short and right of my target line, I will tend to hit blocks off the putter. It's really about finding the perfect balance in weight to satisfy what you need to feel in the stroke not to manipulate the putter head 100 different ways. You just have to find a putter design the satisfies: weight, rotational requirement, offset bias. A stroke that the face stays somewhat square relative to the path is more stable then one that gates closed to open (SBST theory) or open to closed more so then the arc calls for. It can get pretty complex and individual when weight of the head directly influences the players feel.
  19. Well think of it this way. Well think about it, if your hips don't rotate this leaves the shoulders closed, your arms can get out in front of the body rotation causing the club to come inside to outside, where the face is positioned to the path is where the ball will end up. Closed to the path = draw / hook, square = push, open to the path = push cut/ push slice. You can hit a ball putting you butt/ back pointing at the target placing the ball to your lead side (left side on RH golfers) then make a pure arms swing and hit the ball straight to a draw or hook. If you make good contact there is not really a way that is going right unless you have rotated your body out of the start position. This position is actually a release drill a instructor in college taught me. This video pretty much explains the drill well and what happens in a draw and slice. If the body leads the club into impact it is going to create a outside to inside path. If the club leads the body it will create a inside to outside path. You just have to control the face to the path to hit shots, if you over cook one then just learn to time the combination of the two to tone down the curve.
  20. You are likely to get a lot of different answers here for everyone that might respond. Everyone seems to have a different FEEL on how to shape shots. I can offer only what I have experienced in the one-plane swing and Hybrid plane swing now to shape shots and what I know / feel about my swing. Draw Swing more with the arms then the body. The arms have to lead into impact to get inside to DTL or inside to outside. Hybrid-plane >> My weight sift stays back a split second longer the hip rotation feels very passive, the arms swing freally in front of the body. One-plane ~ rotational hips are still there but my arms felt like they did more work them my body. Fade Swing more with the hips / upper body, less with the arms. The hips / shoulders lead into impact with the arms passive. Hybrid-plane >> My weight shifts forward a little sooner, my hips rotate a little sooner pulling my shoulders open and outside to inside, I hold off the release of the head a little as well. One-plane >> I just ripped as hard as I could with my hips and upper body holding off the release a little. So really for me in two different models "arms lead into impact in a draw, hips / body lead into impact in a fade".
  21. Do you have specific questions or weaknesses that you want some advice on or are you just nervious about not practicing prior to this round? To sort of talk about the Physical more here, if you are a 4 or less handicap regardless of if you have played 1 time or 100 times that year, each day is a new day. Having not played is a perception of a negative impact on the scores. You really can't go into the round thinking that you are going to play bad or you will. Go into it thinking you are the best player around and the practice wouldn't have mattered. Obviously, you know I am full of s*** that practice doesn't matter but lie to yourself and stay in a positive mind set at all times. If you come into the round with a good pre-round strategy and you adjust the shots on each hole to your tendency of the shots that day then you grind out the best score without being perfect. For example if you miss is to hit a cut instead of a draw don't force the draw play the cut. If you absolutely have to play a draw, good players figure out how to make that swing. For me if I am hitting cuts I have to slow down my body a hair and FEEL like I have a very arms swing without the body moving. The I know it can't go right, it might over draw turn into a hook but I build in a straight to left miss when I try that shot.
  22. Well, I agree with Richard and I can provide you with some reading material that might help on the mental side of the game. GolfPsych.com has a lot of great materials for free that you can read and get you thinking about the mental side of the game. Mental / Physical Being Present >> http://www.golfpsych.com/blog/being-present-critical-key-amazing-golf-improvement/ Failing to perform in competition >> http://www.golfpsych.com/blog/failing-perform-competition/ The arousal problem and your golf performance >> http://www.golfpsych.com/blog/arousal-problem-golf-performance/ You left brain is a lousy golfer >> http://www.golfpsych.com/blog/left-brain-lousy-golfer/ Practice advice for playing your best golf >> http://www.golfpsych.com/blog/practice-advice-playing-best-golf/ Mental pre-shot routine >> http://www.golfpsych.com/blog/good-mental-pre-shot-routine/ Golf Mental Game >> http://www.golfpsych.com/blog/golf-mental-game/ Nutritional Advice most common nutritional deficiency in competitive golfers >> http://www.golfpsych.com/blog/most-common-nutritional-deficiency-competitive-golfers/ Personality Traits Eight Traits for great golf >> http://www.golfpsych.com/blog/eight-traits-for-great-golf/ Eight Traits Free Quiz >> http://www.golfpsych.com/blog/free-8-traits-quiz/ (enter e-mail) OR http://www.golfpsych.com/quiz/?Id=16958&FirstName=John&LastName=Doe&Email=jdoe%40test.com (bypass e-mail) GolfPsych.com has a number of really good material for free in their articles to get you thinking about the mental side of the game.
  23. I think for me in my peripheral vision I'm mostly sensitive to motion and sudden color change. I don't know if you go to the eye doctor or do those DMV eye tests for your license some of them flash a light up and ask you where the light was to test you have a particular degree of sensitivity to motion / sudden changes in light or color out the corner of your eyes. I think for me if the putter, fairway / hybrid are swung with the entire stroke being with-in my vision range I notice the movement of the head on a path but not really the color scheme if it's a single color on the crown or the top of the putter. When I picked up the Versa, I did notice both the orientation of the stripes and the path of the putter. I don't notice that my all black heads appear to rotate open i just see them come to the inside of the line, I was more aware with the stripes of white, black, white or black, white, black (I tried both for kicks) that I was more aware the face had rotated open to the original target line. I think the more arc you have in your stroke the more it's going to open that the face opens to the target when in reality it just stays square to the path you are swinging the putter on. It was kind of hard fighting the tendency to not rotate the club so that the stripes stayed square to the target because sub-continually you think back you are going to block it and through you are going to pull it. I think a lot of people have about 160* to 180* worth of total vision, if you stair straight head with your arms out in front of you spread them slowly wiggling you fingers and stop moving your arms once you lose the fingers motion on one or both sides. Where you arms are at is your field of vision, you just tilt that field of vision down when playing golf. You'll see out and up more then you will see down and around. If I take a swing slow enough so that it stays less then 2 or 3 feet back and through i see the motion of the head without trying to focus on it. Now a full swing, honestly I don't really notice much as the takeaway is so fast, I think speed is a factor in this thought process. slower the more you notice the fast the less?
  24. Does anyone here swing a driver short enough to keep the club inside their peripheral vision? I sure as hell don't hit a bump and run with it or try to make a 10 yard shot with a driver personally. So lets just go ahead and toss that out of you making a point to manipulating the face compared to a wedge / putter because the stroke length don't match where a wedge and putter are hit short enough to notice bold visual aspects on the club. As for the Fairway / Hybrid that have the white crown black face scheme. How many people here hit a bump and run with these clubs on a regular basis. I might do it once in a blue moon, it's pretty rare for the situation to call for it at least for me. If you do hit the bump and run with the club does it have a bold visual alignment aspect to it on the crown of the head? a white, black, white combination? NO, clearly the alignment aid is a small mark and the graphics don't aid in keeping the head square. So when yo do make that stroke it is less likely to catch the scheme on the crown. The black face and white crown in the peripheral vision of myself when I have used one doesn't pop out like the black, white, black or white, black, white putter scheme of the versa putter when I went to test one in the store. Yes I have read Bruce's opinion on it, I base MY opinions of MY experience with a concept, I don't take people's word for it, I go and see if I find the same results as the person talking or if I find different results. Getting to your comment that I based my opinion of what Bruce wrote that's not exactly correct. Yes it got me THINKING about it, then I happily walked into a golf store and picked up the putters for myself gave them a try to see if I had the same findings that in my peripheral vision it messed with me in the stroke. It did, the only way I could get the thing not to mess with me is to completely ignore my need to see the path / putter in my peripheral vision and nearly close my eyes. I have the mentality to think for myself. I will take any concept that sparks my interest in my career / hobbies THINK about the concept on a LOGICAL level based on what I know. If I don't know enough about it then I RESEARCH the concept more to try to prove or disprove the concept / opinion from other sources. If I find the THEORY to be accurate then I attempt it in PRACTICE to see if theory translates to real world application. This entire process is how you actually LEARN something and be able to think for yourself while having the ability to have conviction of your opinion on the topic. If someone comes along with newer or better research then you have to re-think your opinion by starting that process over again, maybe you draw the same conclusion as before maybe you come to a new conclusion. That is just my process in learning new material regardless of topic and drawing my own opinions / conclusions. I would assume that people like myself that don't take much at face value do the same thing if they care to take the time to do it and are passionate about the topic / subject. I don't believe in much blindly and if i don't know the answer to a question I flat out say "I don't know the answer to that at the moment I need to do a little research." I appreciate your comments because it got me talking about my thought process and hopefully I have given you enough so that you now know that I'm not one of those people that just draws my conclusions of only what I read or hear to be true. I actually THINK and APPLY it to myself THEN draw my conclusions. If you read I said "I almost wounder if the same effect for a wedge can take place". I did not say IT DOES take place, they are two different things completely. Meaning, I would like to go test the wedge and see if i have visual manipulation issues on chip shots with it. I still don't like the looks of it regardless of manipulation or not. I am not sure whom bags it so I really can't comment on the "killing it" in terms of victories and top 10s since it has come out. I assume that's what you mean by "killing it", or does that just mean "buzz on tour"? Having tried the SBST stroke at one point because I thought it was the only way to putt before meeting Bruce and doing his online instruction and working out my own method. I know that it can be successful in application but it can be disastrous as well. I was highly streaky of a putter, all Bruce's research did was confirm what I saw in my own application once I did start working with him. As for me arguing against the success of the TMaG driver on tour... Well, that sounds like a ad from TMaG "number 1 driver on tour". Success on tour is nothing more then either how many people you pay to play the clubs or how good the players you pay to play the clubs are, purely marketing strategy. I can sit here and pick out any major OEM and give a number of players that are successful on tour and point out what equipment they play regardless of company. I would only agree with your statements that it is hard to argue with the success of a piece of equipment on tour IF AND ONLY IF no one was played to play any brand, they were able to get any brand for free and play what best performed for them. You flat can not draw the conclusion that a club is successful when money in endorsements deals are in the mix for the group of people you are pointing out.
  25. If someone here wants an indoor putting green go for it, that person will likely fall into the loop of grooving a stroke from a single speed / distance of the putt they are practicing. I think it's pretty clear we know the end result of that situation. Different strokes for different folks on how to practice I guess, I personally don't find making X amount of putts in a row as good productive practice.
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