I started with S&T in 2011 and went from a 2 hcp. to a plus 2 in four months. I also won a state senior amateur and was one of the better senior players in the state for many years. Anytime my game goes downhill, I revert to the basic S&T principles because they work. As I tell people, it works for me, you do what you want. I have two observations on many of the prior comments on this thread. First, while some tour players have tried it and haven't gotten to the next level, that's a very limited group. Once someone has spent their life getting that good, it's pretty tough to get a lot better. So, maybe it's better to start with it before you're good enough to play on tour. At some point natural talent is required. Remember, in any activity, a few people are the best in the world and the rest of us aren't. Second, if you focus closely on the basic S&T principles, you'll notice that most of the world's best players and many of the high profile teachers use them. They don't call it S&T, which I always thought was a bad name anyway. Still, the basics work for almost everyone.