[2020 Driver center-of-gravity report ?]

OR,

MGS could charge for access to the data.
I would gladly pay extra for a MGS "premium membership" for access to the data.

But telling me I should fund the whole report is complete stupid bs.

[Cobra King Ltd pro(2015) - 2021 Bryson Witb]

The Cobra LTD Pro (and non-Pro model) keep the COG further back right on the neutral axis than any other driver since 2015. (And probably any before 2015)
It is (theoretically) the best combination of low spin and forgiveness in any driver since 2015.

We know this because of the MGS Center Of Gravity reports.

Unfortunately MGS did not create a report for 2020, and have not given any indication of continuing the reports.

[2020 Driver center-of-gravity report ?]

7 hours ago, cnosil said:

I think you need to look at the location that the article was placed on the MGS page.   As new clubs come out the articles about them are in the "New Release" section of the stie.  These articles contain mostly marketing type information provided from the manufacturer and there are generally no tests to verify claims.  Later as testing is done,  they articles are published under "reviews", "most wanted", and "labs".  

Obviously you aren't happy with the product that MGS is providing.  My suggestion would be to contact Adam and tell him that this testing is very important to you and that you are willing to fund the MOI/CoG testing so that you can get the results you are seeking. 

Yeah, see, I'm not the one who decided MGS should have the tag of "Truth Digest". 
They decided to base their brand on that tag, I didn't force them to do it.
They decided to host a forum where readers could voice their opinions, I didn't force them to do it.

And they've done a very very good job as far as drivers are concerned, because the MGS COG reports are the only place where the name brand drivers are actually measured to see if their marketing claims are true. Every years report emphasizes how important COG is to the way a driver performs. And the 5 years of data (2015-2019) paint a very illustrating engineering picture as to what is possible and what is not possible in driver creation.

So if MGS can't do a 2020 COG report because of the pandemic, that's totally understandable. It would be nice to get some statement that it will return in 2021, or maybe they're just dropping it altogether, but whatever.

And if the New Release section is just a regurgitation of the manufacturer's marketing claims, ok fine.

I'm just pointing out that PXG is claiming their new BUDGET driver will have a MOI/COG location that is in impossible territory. 
Every manufacturer has tried for years to get a low/back COG on the neutral axis, and nobody has even come CLOSE to what PXG is claiming to have achieved in their BUDGET driver.
Tony called it "intriguing", maybe that's his polite way of calling BS.

I guess we'll have to wait for the COG report to learn the truth from the "Truth Digest".

[2020 Driver center-of-gravity report ?]

15 hours ago, FrogginBullfish said:

Okay let's break this down.

You are accusing Tony of lying for PXG's benefit. This is not only a flat out lie, but also just so incredibly off-base, it's not even funny. Tony mentions CG locations and MOI numbers given to him by manufacturers in pretty much all of his driver release articles. Why is it only an issue with PXG?

But let's get back to the PXG driver in particular. Tony does not have the club in hand to verify PXG's claims on MOI or CG location. He's doing his job by reporting what PXG says the CG location and MOI is which they determined through the finalized CAD model. You don't believe it, which is fine, but that does not mean Tony is lying for PXG's benefit. He is doing his job and reporting the numbers that PXG is giving him. And again, in any CG report MGS has done in the past, they make it clear to note that the specified CG locations and MOI numbers from manufacturers come from CAD models while the real driver will differ due to manufacturing tolerances and measurement tolerances.

Now you also say Tony says the PXG 0211 will have the same CG/MOI numbers as the Ping G410 LST. This is untrue. Tony says in his article that, on paper, the 0211 is something akin to a higher launching, lower spinning G410 LST. I've included a screenshot of the relevant part of Tony's article with the important words underlined to reinforce the point. Nowhere in that piece does Tony say those two drivers have the same CG or MOI. What he does say is based on the information given to him by PXG, and he clearly notes that it is an on paper comparison, not a real world comparison where manufacturing tolerances come into play, the PXG will be higher launching and lower spinning than the Ping. That is a factually accurate statement based on the information Tony has.

Again, I'm not sure what you're trying to gain here but there is absolutely no evidence to back up your ridiculous claim that Tony is lying in his article for PXG's benefit.

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Ok, this explains it for me, thank you.
I misread this paragraph as Tony claiming that the new PXG was 'akin" to the Ping 410LST at 5200MOI 1mm below neutral axis. At a glance this looked to me that Tony was saying the PING G410 LST was 1mm below neutral axis (it's almost 4 mm above). 
Since the PXG MOI/COG claim is a near-impossibility, I made that incorrect claim that Tony was therefore lying for PXG. 
I was wrong, Tony was NOT lying for PXG.
My apologies to Tony Covey, I was wrong on this particular point.

[PXG 0211 driver complete bs lie about COG]

2 hours ago, cnosil said:

Since they haven't produced the report you want,  isn't the best option to do it yourself.   Let us know your findings. 

I'm fine with MGS not being able to produce 2020 COG Report because of the pandemic.
But when Tony just regurgitates PXGs near-impossible claims, and then lies for the benefit of PXG, I'm going to speak up.

1) PXG makes claim that driver is 5200MOI and COG 1mm below neutral axis. Now that claim, if true, would be groundbreaking. There is no other driver in the past 5 years that has even come CLOSE to that territory on the MOI/COG Neutral Axis chart.

2) Having done all of the COG data and analysis for MGS over the past 5 years, Tony would (should) have noticed this immediately.

3) Toney Covey then LIES to support PXGs claim. Tony says that the PXG driver would have the same MOI/COG as the Ping G410 LST, which is absolutely NOT TRUE. MGS data shows that the Ping G410 LST has a COG almost 4mm ABOVE the neutral axis. 

Either Tony misread his own data and misstated the comparison to the Ping G410 LST (and is also missing the near-impossibility of the PXG MOI/COG claim), or Tony is intentionally lying for the benefit of PXG.

[2020 Driver center-of-gravity report ?]

2 hours ago, FrogginBullfish said:

I'm not sure what you're trying to achieve here. Tony is reporting the data that is given to him by the manufacturer. He does not have the head to perform a measurement on yet. And if you've read the CG reports you'd know the CG locations as reported by the manufacturers come from CAD models and may differ from the actual product based on manufacturing tolerances.

Second, if the G410 LST is 5200 MOI with a CG 4mm above the neutral axis, the PXG 0211 having 5200 MOI having a CG 1mm below the neutral axis, means it will launch higher and spin lower than the G410 LST on equivalent strikes through gear effect. Whether the actual head that MGS tests the CG location for has the CG in that exact location remains to be seen and there's certainly nothing that you can take from past CG reports to suggest that Tony is shilling for PXG.

 

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I'm asking why Tony Covey is currently LYING for PXGs benefit.

1) PXG makes claim that driver is 5200MOI and COG 1mm below neutral axis. Now that claim, if true, would be groundbreaking. There is no other driver in the past 5 years that has even come CLOSE to that territory on the MOI/COG Neutral Axis chart.

2) Having done all of the COG data and analysis for MGS over the past 5 years, Tony would (should) have noticed this immediately.

3) Toney Covey then LIES to support PXGs claim. Tony says that the PXG driver would have the same MOI/COG as the Ping G410 LST, which is absolutely NOT TRUE. MGS data shows that the Ping G410 LST has a COG almost 4mm ABOVE the neutral axis. 

Either Tony misread his own data and misstated the comparison to the Ping G410 LST (and is also missing the near-impossibility of the PXG MOI/COG claim), or Tony is intentionally lying for the benefit of PXG.

[2020 Driver center-of-gravity report ?]

4 hours ago, RollingGreens said:

I think you are taking it a little too far. I don’t thing PXG would make baseless claims. It’s open up too much legality with false advertising. Just ask vibram the five finger toe shoe company how much money they’ve had to pay back. Tony is an honest guy, he does his research. MGS has gone out on a limb to debunk any theory or viewpoint and has even rubbed major OEMs the wrong way I.E callaway chrome softs. Bob parsons is a smart guy he has no reason to lie. I highly doubt he needs to sell sub $500 dollar drivers to keep the lights on but he’s doing it and making a larger dent in the market putting OEMs on notice. 

Then why this ? :
On the MGS new release article Tony Covey says   "By contrast, PXG says its 0211 driver should spec out around 5,200 MOI with a center of gravity about one millimeter below the neutral axis. If I’m starting to lose you, understand that, on paper, that projects to something akin to a higher-launching, lower-spinning PING G410 LST"

But that's not true.
The MGS COG data shows the Ping G410 LST is 5200 MOI but almost 4mm ABOVE the neutral axis.
Either Tony Covey doesn't read his own data or he's lying for the benefit of PXG.
 

[PXG 0211 driver complete bs lie about COG]

3 hours ago, TBT said:

All Tony and MGS are doing is publishing the “press release” provided to MGS and every other golf media outlet about new clubs from PXG.

MGS has not come out and a verified any claims by PXG at all, it’s a press release pain and simple.

I can promise you that as soon as they can get their hands on the new PXG line they will put all their claims to the test.


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Are you sure ?
MGS has had access to all the 2020 models and haven't produced COG data on any of those.

[PXG 0211 driver complete bs lie about COG]

2 hours ago, blackngold_blood said:

I’m bored so what the heck I will bite. 
 

I looked quickly at the results from 2015 til now and perhaps I missed it but where does it show or state that 5200moi and -1mm below neutral axis is impossible?

PXG even says that they found by raising the face height they could lower the cog.  

Look at the cumulative data (2015-2019).
There is no driver anywhere close to 5200 MOI and 1mm BELOW the neutral axis, even though several manufacturers have tried.

Cobra LTD showed the furthest back on the neutral axis you can go is about 4600MOI.
Ping and PXG have shown that you can max out MOI at 5600 by putting maximum weight at the very rear of the head, but COG is for sure going to be 2-3mm ABOVE the neutral axis, because that weight itself is above the neutral axis at the very rear of the head.

Since the neutral axis starts going into the ground (and going into the ground even quicker with a 10.5* + head), you would need weight below the surface of the ground to get the COG 1mm below the neutral axis at 5200 MOI.

If PXG made their face taller, all that does is raise the COG and bring it forward, because the face is the heaviest part of the head.

[PXG 0211 driver complete bs lie about COG]

And here is a perfect example of the why the MGS center-of-gravity reports are important:

The new PXG 0211 driver claims to have a COG of 5200 with cog 1mm below the neutral axis. (Jan 7 MGS new release)

But if you view the 5 years (2015-2019) of MGS COG data, you can plainly see that 5200MOI and 1mm below the neutral axis is in impossible territory. It would require weight below the surface of the ground !

PXG is flat out lying about their latest driver and Tony Covey is letting them do it on MGS.

Tony Covey might as well start accepting advertising $$ from manufacturers, because if he's just going to repeat their marketing lies to us, then he's basically advertising for them for free !

[2020 Driver center-of-gravity report ?]

And here is a perfect example of the why the MGS center-of-gravity reports are important:

The new PXG 0211 driver claims to have a COG of 5200 with cog 1mm below the neutral axis. (Jan 7 MGS new release)

But if you view the 5 years (2015-2019) of MGS COG data, you can plainly see that 5200MOI and 1mm below the neutral axis is in impossible territory. It would require weight below the surface of the ground !

PXG is flat out lying about their latest driver and Tony Covey is letting them do it on MGS.

Tony Covey might as well start accepting advertising $$ from manufacturers, because if he's just going to repeat their marketing lies to us, then he's basically advertising for them for free !

[2020 Driver center-of-gravity report ?]

Anybody hear/read anything about a possible 2020 COG report ?

[CG2’s 2020/2021 Driver Testing]

When will we see the 2020 COG data ?

[2020 Driver center-of-gravity report ?]

On 9/17/2020 at 1:38 PM, Kansas King said:

"What I am most curious to see is how many drivers actually have their COG directly in the middle of the face or where they have it marked. I feel that could be a big factor in regards to performance but I don't know if it is a good or bad thing without context."

 

The MGS COG reports DO show where the COG is in relation to the face.

[The 120th U.S. Open]

Announcers slobbering over Bryson's driving but he was actually only 7th in driving distance for the week.

He won because he was top 3 in strokes gained off the tee, approaches, and around the green (18th in putting).
Meaning he won because of a solid all-around game, not because of his driving.


(But he's still a huge Trumper, so screw that guy).

[2020 Driver center-of-gravity report ?]

2020 still not out yet, is MGS going to discontinue these reports ?

I feel these are extremely valuable reports, it's info that is not available anywhere else. Without it we just have to believe every manufacturer's marketing BS.

With these reports we can see WHY some drivers outperform or underperform, and it helps golfers make an informed decision.

I don't think I would have tried the 2016 Cobra King LTD Pro without seeing the MGS report showing it had the most MOI while keeping the COG right on the neutral axis.

I think these reports set MGS apart from every other site, because now everybody can test drivers with launch monitors to show launch data, but nobody else is actually measuring COG like MGS has been.