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  1. I'm not sure it's even as much science as you're giving credit for. CGs aren't really lower. Whole thing doesn't affect me much. I'm playing old stuff, and probably have enough old stuff to last me until I can no longer play.
  2. I like the driver size idea, but I would think you could do it with MOI even at somewhat larger sizes. Remember all the accuracy complaints about the SLDR, which was in the 3600 range for MOI. That's probably quite a bit more than anything in the 285cc zipcode (picking a number randomly). It's occasionally mentioned on Tour telecasts when a player looks to move the ball a bit more, they may use a fairway wood. MOI!
  3. Probably, yes. Just think the 20+ yards that are due to the average swingspeed increase are a far bigger piece of the puzzle than the half club from a golf ball switch. Which was actually available previously, if anyone had cared to try. Not sure why everyone just *had* to switch when Tiger won the US Open with the Tour Accuracy. It's not like the ball was the reason he won by 15. LOL
  4. I've found similar when playing yellow balls, or with folks who are playing yellow. Don't like the matte finish balls, personally. Find they mess with my depth perception. Which I found odd.
  5. Bit confused. You told me you disagreed, but now you're showing the data that illustrates my position. I am of the opinion that 6 yards is essentially much ado about nothing. <shrug>
  6. For what little it's worth, here's the data I pulled: PLAYER 99 avg 02 avg change Andrew Magee 279.93 282.94 3.02 Billy Andrade 269.54 279.76 10.22 Billy Mayfair 269.73 270.87 1.14 Blaine McCallister 270.32 274.86 4.54 Bo Van Pelt 280.69 290.75 10.06 Bob Burns 274.80 273.87 (0.94) Bob Estes 269.16 279.83 10.67 Bob Tway 274.36 283.62 9.26 Brad Faxon 265.87 269.60 3.74 Bradley Hughes 274.18 281.18 7.00 Brandel Chamblee 268.65 272.55 3.90 Brent Geiberger 273.90 282.80 8.90 Brett Quigley 276.71 282.28 5.57 Brian Gay 268.88 272.26 3.38 Brian Henninger 272.01 278.26 6.25 Brian Watts 267.39 272.79 5.40 Briny Baird 274.76 282.19 7.43 Cameron Beckman 280.09 282.19 2.10 Carlos Franco 277.93 290.71 12.78 Chris DiMarco 274.98 279.69 4.71 Chris Riley 271.60 272.69 1.09 Chris Smith 287.20 292.24 5.04 Corey Pavin 252.48 258.07 5.60 Craig Barlow 280.42 284.67 4.25 Craig Parry 269.97 278.29 8.32 Craig Stadler 277.22 280.43 3.21 Dan Forsman 274.82 274.71 (0.11) David Duval 286.75 290.84 4.09 David Frost 268.24 269.49 1.25 David Toms 275.35 279.17 3.82 Davis Love III 283.05 287.65 4.60 Deane Pappas 274.96 283.91 8.95 Dennis Paulson 286.28 293.72 7.44 Dicky Pride 265.94 276.27 10.32 Dudley Hart 276.32 276.74 0.42 Duffy Waldorf 279.90 284.51 4.62 Ernie Els 278.18 281.38 3.20 Esteban Toledo 261.25 264.94 3.69 Frank Lickliter II 267.79 283.01 15.22 Frank Nobilo 265.38 274.71 9.33 Franklin Langham 270.46 276.06 5.60 Fred Couples 283.45 288.63 5.18 Fred Funk 269.66 272.98 3.32 Fulton Allem 261.91 267.53 5.61 Glen Day 271.77 270.04 (1.73) Grant Waite 280.42 283.91 3.49 Greg Chalmers 276.04 280.79 4.75 Greg Kraft 267.11 267.70 0.59 Hal Sutton 276.38 277.33 0.94 Harrison Frazar 290.52 290.46 (0.06) J.L. Lewis 279.46 285.84 6.38 J.P. Hayes 277.07 277.11 0.04 Jay Don Blake 266.84 271.22 4.37 Jay Haas 266.55 273.31 6.76 Jay Williamson 273.62 275.76 2.15 Jeff Brehaut 269.76 280.23 10.47 Jeff Maggert 269.90 274.86 4.96 Jeff Sluman 269.07 272.94 3.87 Jerry Kelly 272.70 273.95 1.25 Jesper Parnevik 272.41 279.16 6.75 Jim Carter 266.30 275.31 9.01 Jim Furyk 265.54 271.81 6.26 Joe Durant 269.97 274.83 4.86 Joe Ogilvie 277.64 279.15 1.51 Joey Sindelar 269.02 285.77 16.75 John Cook 265.33 263.99 (1.35) John Daly 305.56 306.84 1.28 John Huston 272.40 281.59 9.19 Jonathan Kaye 279.95 286.06 6.11 Justin Leonard 271.20 278.69 7.49 Kenny Perry 280.45 286.38 5.93 Kent Jones 270.13 277.76 7.64 Kevin Sutherland 272.48 275.00 2.52 Kirk Triplett 276.40 275.02 (1.38) Lee Janzen 267.39 283.71 16.32 Lee Porter 259.00 265.04 6.04 Len Mattiace 270.12 276.91 6.79 Loren Roberts 254.80 267.99 13.20 Mark Brooks 265.00 270.09 5.08 Mark Calcavecchia 274.69 285.53 10.85 Mark O'Meara 266.88 274.98 8.11 Mike Hulbert 266.37 272.42 6.05 Mike Sposa 268.37 274.66 6.30 Mike Weir 274.79 280.03 5.24 Neal Lancaster 272.83 281.94 9.11 Nick Price 273.98 272.67 (1.31) Notah Begay III 283.79 280.78 (3.00) Olin Browne 265.44 268.07 2.63 Paul Azinger 273.08 276.17 3.09 Paul Goydos 265.82 271.34 5.52 Paul Stankowski 279.56 286.96 7.40 Pete Jordan 264.75 256.63 (8.12) Peter Jacobsen 276.20 281.54 5.34 Phil Mickelson 285.69 288.80 3.11 Phil Tataurangi 270.81 288.64 17.83 Rich Beem 272.88 292.05 19.18 Robert Allenby 279.50 286.70 7.20 Robert Damron 276.17 277.99 1.82 Robert Gamez 264.34 282.60 18.26 Robin Freeman 271.85 281.99 10.15 Rocco Mediate 271.44 277.33 5.89 Rory Sabbatini 292.68 289.00 (3.68) Russ Cochran 275.43 282.46 7.03 Scott Dunlap 273.66 272.47 (1.19) Scott Hoch 267.50 269.98 2.48 Scott McCarron 287.09 285.49 (1.60) Scott Simpson 256.85 264.64 7.79 Scott Verplank 270.77 268.52 (2.25) Skip Kendall 270.30 271.49 1.19 Stephen Ames 270.86 282.13 11.26 Steve Elkington 269.55 280.51 10.97 Steve Flesch 274.72 285.68 10.96 Steve Jones 274.38 276.85 2.47 Steve Lowery 271.90 280.54 8.64 Steve Pate 269.74 281.06 11.31 Steve Stricker 275.21 285.11 9.90 Stewart Cink 276.92 279.62 2.70 Stuart Appleby 280.11 289.04 8.93 Tiger Woods 293.07 293.33 0.26 Tim Herron 284.80 293.24 8.44 Tom Byrum 263.07 270.51 7.44 Tom Lehman 275.62 283.04 7.42 Tom Scherrer 276.38 279.26 2.88 Tommy Armour III 281.18 282.01 0.83 Tommy Tolles 276.24 289.28 13.04 Vijay Singh 284.31 285.64 1.33 Woody Austin 275.99 279.94 3.95 column totals 273.44 278.99 5.55
  7. You *think* it is. Others do also. The data, not so much. I said it before, this is a data driven site. Show us the data. I'm willing to be convinced if the data exists, and is solid. I've never seen anything, just a lot of opinions based on anecdotes. Which aren't much different than Phil Mickelson saying the Pro V1 gave him 20 or 30 yards, while the driving distance stat showed him +3 (from 1999 to 2002) (Youtube videos showing a comparison between a 20 year old wound ball and a new solid core ball don't count, LOL)
  8. My view works perfectly fine, because it's related to the ball, which is what you were talking about before this post. In 1999, the vast majority of Tour players were using a wound ball. Talking about the clubs more or less supports my point. Generally speaking.
  9. NRJyzr

    Yes! putters

    I have a Nicky, its the Wizard style heel shafted blade. Think Geo Low. Rather like it, but keep switching around too much to stick with it. And, I've had to live with the fact that I seem to putt better with something such as my Huntington Beach, or my Mizuno TPM-2. Have a Snake Eyes Viper Tour, the 8802-ish model. The MOI on it is surprisingly higher than that of the original Anser. Might give it some play again this season...
  10. A few years ago, I got curious and ran a comparison of the PGA Tour Driving Distance stat, between 1999 and 2002. The idea was to isolate it down to only those players who had played in both seasons, in an attempt to show the change for those guys who switched from wound to solid. I'd picked 2002 to try weed out the slow adopters, but there's no guarantee. I also didn't account for those guys using the Stratas or solid core Bridgestones/Precepts, not having much beyond Furyk and O'Meara. That difference was less than 6 yards (hence my earlier 5.5 yds comment). My take is, anything since then is related to something else, like fitness, launch conditions, shaft tech, clubhead size/MOI, more coached efficient (in theory) swings, etc
  11. This *is* a data based website. Show us the data. My stance is data based. I've seen plenty of "ball is the problem" comments over the years, on many forums, but no one shares any actual data that's relevant to any valid golf ball comparative.
  12. Too much evidence suggests otherwise. Much of what's stated as fuel for "the ball is to hot" is the result of other factors.
  13. You can do that, but the evidence is there. 5.5 yard distance bump from 99 to 01 or 02, for guys who played both. The ball tests of 2000 and 2001 that showed wound balls being only slightly slower than solid core balls. The avg swingspeed on Tour increasing from 105mph to 113mph, or where ever it is now. And so on.
  14. Like Nicklaus, Gary Player believes the current technological innovations are damaging to the sport, and the three-time Masters champion fired a stark warning on Thursday concerning the possible consequences of a lack of action on the issue from the game’s organizations. The big problem in that, the reason for the distance increase isn't the solid core ball. Their argument is based on a fallacy. Swingspeeds are up, except at the highest level (Jack, back in the day). Jack is on record saying he hit his 8 iron 145 yards. He also said he *could* hit it 175 yards but chose not to, seeing no reason to. The difference from then to now is that guys now choose to. And there are more of them now than then. Now, if it's decided distance needs to be reduced, the ball is the easiest place to do it. But saying "the new golfballs are too hot" is disingenuous.
  15. The Augusta National used to have nets at their driving range, 275 out. Davis Love III used to bomb tee shots over those nets in the 90s. With a Tour Balata, and persimmon driver.
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