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  1. Grit Golf

    LEFT DOT!!

    Is the Taylormade Tour Response a poor man’s Left Dot?
  2. They don’t look offensive at all for a club w max game improvement potential. I think this club will do well. Im curious what pricing will be with like with like Tour AMT White or KBS $ Taper, etc. If they have a decent stable of no cost upgrade shafts I can see Cleveland making some ground with this release.
  3. Here's the data I found: It's like 3% max more stiff than a REGULAR flex XP115 wedge shaft (21,500 vs 22,500). The tip section is slightly stiffer in the XP115 REGULAR flex, but overall they should launch about the same based on the EI progression. I was curious about weight, so i cut the grip off one I had laying around. CUT - It weighed in at 113g with the ferrule cap on. For reference, a KBS tour regular (110) PW shaft weighs in at 105g cut w a ferrule cap on. I don't think this shaft is very different from the "mass market" shafts you mention (DG 115, KBS 115, etc). Which is what I'm trying to say. Original EI image here, had to screen grab, scale, and map curves on a common axis to produce what you see above. If it works for you - fantastic, it's not a bad shaft. This is just data, no judgments attached.
  4. Wedge set-up seems to be a pretty personal thing, with tons of options (grips, shafts, heads, grinds, lofts, bounce, finish, you name it). I wrote down some different setups, which might be more like “ideologies” than “setups” from some of my regular playing partners who are all single digit hcp’s: One Wedge to Rule Them All. A few guys who are closer to scratch (and my teacher who is plus) use one high loft versatile grind wedge (56-60) for everything around the green. Pros of this method are insane familiarity with that one scoring club. Cons are you need to have “the hands” as my teacher would say to manufacture shots. I tried this with a 60 first, and then a 56, I don’t have the game for this. A Team of Specialists. A few guys in my group subscribe to the idea that you need one high bounce wedge (usually 54/56) for sand and soft conditions, one low bounce (58/60) for tight lies and elevating the ball, and a mid bounce gap wedge setup for simple mechanics (pitch shots and bump and runs). The pro of this setup is you always have a club suited to whatever situation you find yourself in. Cons (for me), hitting a “stock” shot with any of these wedges requires different setup and mechanics. It’s hard for me to stay razor sharp with each club when all of my wedges setup and behave differently. I tried this, and moved on. Once again, I don’t have the game for it. Keep it Simple Stupid. It’s mostly the older guys I play with who game 3 of the same (or similar) grinds, and use simple mechanics but change clubs to get a different result. One guy has all Cleveland “mid” grind (52/56/60). The other is Vokey F and S grinds (50/54/58), there is also a guy using the Costco Kirkland wedge set to great effect. This is the direction I have recently gone in (with Sub70 wedges). I now pace off total distance to pin and required carry, and pick the wedge and swing length that best fits (with a simple pendulum square face shot). It has simplified things and removed some of the bigger short game mistakes. I am pretty good at getting out of sand, and like that I know have multiple “sand clubs”, a stock sand shot does different things with the 54 than the 58, and they are both easy for me to hit. For my own personal setup, the last thing I’m playing with now is putting my iron shaft straight in to the wedges instead of a specialty wedge shaft. I still need to test it, but in the vein of simplifying things, I think going this route could make my punch and partial shots with irons feel more familiar (like the wedges) and vice versa; I sometimes struggle with fuller shots with the wedges, if those felt more like my irons I think it could save me a stroke or so on any given round. What works for you guys? What do you want to try? Has anyone else tried a variety of different wedge philosophies before landing on something you like?
  5. If it works for you, it works for you. It is a softer overall shaft than the stock shaft in a Vokey or a Callaway - that's all I'm saying.
  6. Driver: Titleist TSi3 - Fujikura Ventus Blue 5S. In the bag because it sets up a bit open and works nicely with my draw. Out of the middle this driver hits BOMBS. Fairway: Cobra LTD 3w - Graphite Design YS Six Nano Reloaded Stiff. Off the deck this club can sniff my driver, it’s a beast! Utility: Sub70 699 Pro U 3i - KBS $ Taper Lite Stiff. Feels very similar to my irons, but the $ taper works better for me than my iron shaft in this application. I can hit this club the same way I hit my irons. Out of the rough, as a safety club off the tee, or for a punch shot this thing rocks. Irons (5-GW): Sub70 699 Pro - KBS Tour Regular. KBS Tour R+ was good enough for Furyk when he shot a 58, so KBS R is more than enough for me. The shaft works for me, and helps me keep a smoother tempo. These heads are low offset which I need, long, and forgiving with just enough feedback to make me better. Wedges (54/58): Sub70 286 Raw - KBS Tour Stiff, Soft Stepped. I did the “8i spinner trick”, it feels similar to my iron shafts, but a little spinnier, firmer, and more direct than just putting KBS Tour R straight in. The Raw Sub70 heads let me grind the bounce how I want and they are priced right. Putter: Ping Oslo Vault - Breakthrough Golf Tech Graphite Shaft. This is the ultimate “straight back straight through” setup. I was fit for this (and the driver) and love it.
  7. I guess what I’m saying is this shaft from True Temper isn’t the “8i spinner trick” and it’s not “Tiger stepping” (which are different things from what I understand). All it is, is a slightly lighter, slightly softer (relative to Vokey and Callaway stock shafts) mass market wedge shaft meant to fit average swing speed golfers. The tour issue verbiage is marketing, this product is aimed at the middle of the bell curve, club golfers with a 95mph driver speed.
  8. I’m referencing the “8i spinner” or “Rifle Precision Spinner” trick: “Many years ago I learned in Royal Precision Rifle Shaft Certification class how to create the Rifle Spinner Wedge Shaft. The formula was simple, go up a flex and use the 8 iron.” https://www.golfshaftreviews.info/kbs-wedge-golf-shafts/ I guess this gives a very similar overall CPM but a more active tip section (without feeling completely alien to the iron shafts of one lesser flex). There’s lots of people saying to put an X100 8i into the wedges if you play S300, etc. This is what I was taught. However, a ton of pros plays X100 in the irons, and many of them gravitate to S400 (supposedly tip trimmed 3/8”) in the wedges. This gets called “Tiger Stepping” or “Vokey stepping” (depending on the post). I’m guessing this also CPMs a little softer overall without an over soft tip section? Finally, we now have the “Dynamic Gold Tour Issue Spinner”, which is an S300 8i. It is neither the “8i spinner” trick (unless you play R300), nor is it “Tiger Stepping” for the X100 player (because it is 1.75 steps softer than a 3/8” tip trimmed S300 PW/9i shaft). True Temper and Cleveland Golf generally know what they are doing, but in this case it seems like the “Dynamic Gold Tour issue spinner” is a mass market shaft meant for the R300 (average swing speed player)?
  9. So, the “spinner” trick is to put an X100 8i into the wedges for an S300 iron shaft player. That is, you go up in flex once then soft step. I play KBS Tour regular (110) in irons, and 8i KBS Tour stiff (120) shafts in wedges. That’s what I was told to do. The “Tour issue spinner” is an S300 8i, meaning, shouldn’t it be basically suited for a “full weight” dynamic gold r300 player? Why do so many your pros go the other way? X100 in irons down to s400 in wedges? Why don’t we see X7 8i shafts in their wedges?
  10. Lots of Taylormade, yes, but the Taylormades in question are all descendants from Adams - they benefitted from ripping off Adam’s “Velocity Slot”. There’s a lot of good clubs in the mix here, Adam’s, Exotics, Cobras, Taylormades, Callaways, you just gotta find the one that clicks. I think one of the things people don’t think about with woods enough is lie angle and length. I have a tendency to “sole out” the club at address. If my hands are too high or too low, it can create a chain of events in my takeaway and then downswing that leads to inconsistent contact. I can hit a newer Ping wood (generally low lie angle) well, but only if I pick the heel up a tiny bit and get my hands a bit higher. Different manufacturers have different “standards” for length and lie and I think that explains a decent amount of why some people rave about a specific brand of fairway?
  11. My unicorn is a Cobra LTD 3 wood. That head has worked for me with more active tip section shafts (Aldila DVS, RIP Beta Gamma, GD YS Nano Reloaded) in the 70g range. It’s a BANGER. My only issue with it is my best shots off the deck or off the tee are right on the heels of driver. Solved that problem by adding the LTD 5 wood at 19*, only to find that it also goes too far… so now I’m auditioning a Cleveland Halo 19* hybrid to slot between the 3w and my 22 4 hybrid!
  12. Everyone has their own sense of value I suppose, I’m just comparing $139 for the launcher halo now to what I saw at my pro shop ($279) 6 months ago. Half off seems like a good deal, even if the original price has creeped from years past. The sub 70 hybrid is $129, a new Ping G410 (last years mode) is $219, used 2018 Callaway Rogue’s cost $110 on eBay. The used price on the halo launcher on eBay is $110 + shipping from the big boys (pro clubs, 2nd swing). They aren’t giving them away, but in my mind this thing is both a great value (right now) and a great club. I really like it and just ordered the 3h. Your mileage may vary!
  13. I'm going on record saying this is the absolute best hybrid I have ever hit. I have the 4 hybrid with the stock Miyazaki C Kua 60 S. My previous hybrid was the Ping G410 with a KBS TGI 95g shaft. On specs alone, I never would have thought this thing would work, but it is by far the easiest hybrid I have ever hit. I am throwing the ball straight down my target line every time with a 7yd front to back carry dispersion. I can't hit this thing bad, I really just can't. From the stock grip to the stock shaft, to the impact, it is smooooooth. I have a 97mph swing speed with driver, 85mph with 6i. I fight a hook with driver and woods, baby draw my irons, but was fading my Ping G410 hybrid. This is to say, its a bit more draw biased for me than the ping w a heavy shaft, but it fits my natural shot shape, and it draws less than my 5 iron. It's in no way a draw/hook machine (for me). If you want to take a shot in the dark on a hybrid, the price is insane on these right now. I just replaced my Ping 3 hybrid with a 5 wood, I'm about to order the Halo in 3 hybrid to replace the new-to-me 5 wood.
  14. Just the concepts have been a game changer so far, I’m excited!
  15. I float between an 8 and a 12 handicap, I heard really good things about Decade, so I thought I would give the “Decade Foundations” app a shot. I’ve been using the app for 2 months and haven’t seen my handicap plummet yet on course (I play once a week), but my last few rounds have also been with rented clubs or on new courses, or casual/beer rounds (with no game planning), etc. Where I have recently noticed a difference is in virtual golf. I am lucky enough to have a skytrak and TGC2019. My average scores w 8ft gimmes turned on pre-decade we’re 6-10 over. This past 2 weeks I haven’t hit worse than 4 over (5 rounds on 5 different courses). My swing and physical ability hasn’t changed at all, but my thought process is completely different and with the benefit of the overhead and flyover views on TGC, I’ve been able to apply the Decade concepts really rapidly and my virtual scores reflect it. In the first 2 months of Decade, the content really hammers home the importance of controlling putting speed, and target selection. I’ve put work in on the putting speed drills the app recommends which has sharpened up my ability to get into the “gimme” zone on TGC. Decade shows you the dispersion patterns of pros, and has made me realize my physical ability to hit the golf ball to a target isn’t terrible, but my golf iq for how to get around a golf course absolutely was up to this point. In the past I was trying to solve what I thought was “accuracy” problems by forever working on my swing or trying new equipment. What I realize now is you can never be accurate enough if you are picking stupid targets, which I was, even Tiger wasn't accurate enough to be able to “force shots” and aim at every pin. I’m really curious to see what happens to the handicap once I get back to more familiar courses that I’ve game planned for. So far, I would absolutely recommend Decade Foundations, it’s changed my mindset and made golf less stressful and frustrating. I’ll post an update here as I progress w the app!
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