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Did you get a house big enough to fit all that sand you carry around on the NJ Am Tour?

Reviving this thread. Anyone try stamping based on the info here? How'd it turn out for you? Pics?

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So, I may have went a little crazy when I made the order, but I have a few TR shafts leftover from the builds I planned to use them for in my annual 2022 Driver Death Match. Figured Some of you would benefit. Just want out of them what I have in them. These are new, uncut shafts and I have 2 of each in X 7/6, S 7/6, and R 5/6. $325 + Paypal fees shipped to your door. Absolutely no trades. Thanks for looking.

I agree completely. I've tried using a 4w in the past, albeit briefly, and never really saw any benefits of measure. Since I started this thread I've dusted a couple off and have been practicing and comparing them to give the 4w an honest shot for this. Like I said, for the tournament distances I play the larger gap between the driver and the nearest wood is really irrelevant. I don't need the two to be within 30 yards of each other.

Tons of responses, and I truly appreciate the feedback. There's a lot to catch up on in this thread with the Holiday weekend, but every opinion given by y'all is appreciated. I think both woods and the 4h will take turns on the bench to test out how things work with the courses and distances I play (typically 6200-6400 by tournament/league flighting). One of the things I didn't clear up that I meant to was with the wedges. I know the lessons I'm currently taking over the winter will either help, or flat out solve a bunch of my issues, but the main thing I wanted to accomplish with adding a wedge was more versatility/flexibility for my game. The majority of my approach shots are within 120 yards, with the bulk of those being 80 and closer. At the end of the day, the plan is to grind the lesson plan, and apply everything over the winter and experiment with my set up as much as possible. Again, thanks to all of you for the input. I'll post some updates on my progress as time goes. Cheers, boys.

What I said in the next to last line of the post was I hoped for experiences and insights from others who've made a change like this, which is exactly what you gave me. Appreciate it.

One part of my game I have zero holes in is generating wedge spin regardless of swing length, and I'm pretty happy and comfortable with the lower gapping, but it would be nice to have that 120 yard club to take any swing decisions out of the mix. Like I said, I will be doing some major testing over the winter on a couple of courses that give me those in-between shots and seeing what does/doesn't work. Bottom line- I'll definitely have a stock of different clubs to switch out based on the individual course I'm playing that day. Funny that a wedge lesson was brought up.......I have one this afternoon, and every Wednesday through the end of the year. Thanks for your insight. Exactly the response I was looking for.

MY MAN! I like the way you think!

I put landing angle as my reason for the "No" response, but that's not my mismatch. In a Trackman 7 vs GC Quad vs AboutGolf 3Trak over the summer I spread out over a months worth of time. I used each simulator 3 separate days spread out over 3 weeks time to keep the data honest since I never know which me will show up on any given day. Throwing out shots that were out of my usual data range, good or bad, the main difference in data came from the Trackman. Ball Speed, Club Speed, backspin, carry/total distance, apex, side spin, and launch angle were all within a few data points between the three. Not enough to raise any eyebrows. Here's where it got a little fuzzy. The club path, face to path, and smash factor numbers were very different between the TM and the other two units. I'll have to dig around and find my notebook with all of the data points and differences, but the gap between the TM and the GC/AG units left me scratching my head with no real answer.

So, here's the gist. Just like the title says, I'm on the fence about dropping one of the woods and adding a wedge for 2022 as my gamer set up for the tournament season to avoid some situations that would've made a real difference when it really counted. Through lessons, a couple of performance fittings, and enough practice to shame Tiger I've dropped my index to 11.3 to end this season and I'm pretty proud of that with this being the end of my fourth full season playing. And here's the stats through the 47 rounds I played this year including tournaments via Arccos- Woods Epic Max LS OB Seeker- 498 total shots, 298 yards smart distance, 52% FIR Sim2 Max 3w- 19 total shots, 253 yards smart distance, 71% FIR off the tee (9 shots), 19% GIR (10 shots) Epic Max 5w- 18 total shots, 231 yards smart distance, 67% FIR off the tee (5 shots), 49% GIR (13 shots) Apex 21/Epic Speed Super 4h- 46 total shots, 234 yards smart distance, 87% FIR (17 shots), 55% GIR (29 shots) Apex 21 5i- 21 total shots, 211 yards smart range, 81% FIR (12 shots), 69% GIR (9 shots) Wedges Apex 21 PW (43*)- 97 total shots, 130 yards smart distance, 58% GIR Apex 21 AW (48*)- 111 total shots, 108 yards smart distance, 59% GIR Vokey SM8 54*- 223 total shots (including pitch/chips), 93 yards smart distance, 67% GIR Ping Forged 56*- 128 total shots (almost all chips/pitches inside 50 yards), 86 yards smart distance, 91% GIR (probably skewed by all of the chips/pitches) My initial thoughts are pulling me towards putting the 5w on the bench and adding another wedge to fill the gap between the PW/AW, or even adding a 58/60 to give me more options around the green. I had quite a few short game shots where the 56 was either too much, or not enough. I'm not very good at all at opening the face up to get the added height out of the greenside rough/pot bunker, and it usually ends in disaster when I try it on course. Then again, I've had quite a few shots this year where the approach was on the in-between side of the PW/AW. I've had bad luck with trying to swing lighter/slower and/or harder/faster with the wedges, nothing that got me in trouble on course, but not consistent enough to do it comfortably. So, the corners I've painted myself into is which wood to drop and which wedge to add. I will be doing some serious testing over the winter and moving forward, but I wanted to get everyone's take on their experiences with making this type of move for some insight. Appreciate it in advance. P.S.- Yes, I've already been fitted this season.......twice.....

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Prices dropped on remaining items, and I'm open to reasonable offers.

UPDATED 10/4 Yep, #6 is less than 2 weeks out from arrival into this crazy world. Gotta move this stuff as soon as possible. I wish I could, but no trades this time. I think all prices are very reasonable, but save us both the stress if you make an offer- be fair to me, I shall do the same for you. Thanks for looking! ** Shaft lengths for the Motore, Ventus Black, and the AD-HD are in the last pic of the thread ** Pricing includes shipping to the Lower 48. Make an offer! Bettinardi Limited Release QB8 303SS with a very rare F.I.T. face. Original box, headcover, grip, and COA included- $550 OBO Apex 21 4h with a stock MMT H80 hybrid shaft. My gamer this season- $SOLD OBO Ping G410 LST 3w Alta CB S70 MINT comes with headcover- $SOLD NEW Callaway Epic Max LS 9* still in wrapper MMT Stiff 60 comes with headcover- $OLD 2022 Ping Forged Pro wedge set. The 54 has seen one grass range session for 14 balls pics tell the tale. The 50/58 are still in the wrapper- $old! Graphite Design Tour AD-HD. Cally tip, butt trimmed and plays at 44"- $SOLD Fujikura Ventus Black w/Velocore Stiff 70 Taylormade tip. Butt trimmed to play at 46"- $OLD Fujikura Motore X F1 X60, Callaway tip butt trimmed to play at 45 1/4"- $175 Ventus Blue w/Velocore Stiff 70, TM tip, no grip. Butt trimmed to play at 44"- $275 2021 Vessel Players III 14 way stand bag black/iridium/white, new in box never seen daylight- $OLD! Player III Golf Stand Bag | VESSEL (vesselbags.com) Shaft measurements

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No trades, please. This is the first attempt to start cleaning the garage of too much stuff. Brand new in wrapper Apex Pro 4-PW Elevate ETS 115 stiff shafts Stock GP Z-Grips All standard L/L/L $1000 +actual UPS shipping costs.

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Yep, and I found them very similar in all of the areas people obsess about. Both are on a level playing field in distance, accuracy, and forgiveness IMO. The Srixon stands out as the favorite because of the turf interaction. The V Sole slices through the turf so effortlessly that I had a hard time feeling if the club speed decreased on my fatter strikes. Of course, this is just my opinion, I'm hoping someone else has some experience and can add more detail. I ultimately had to get out of the set because they are too strong lofted for me. Definitely a shock setting up for my usual 185 yard 7 iron distance and hitting it 205.......

On the block is a mostly new set of ZX4's 4-PW,AW. The 7i and the AW (pictured) were hit in an indoor simulator session over the winter and the entire set hasn't been touched since, the rest of the set is still new in the wrappers. Srixon ZX4, 4-PW, AW $-Taper Stiff 120's Standard L/L/L MCC +4 Midsize grips in grey. Never mind. 7i pics AW pics ZX4's on the right $-Tapers

Got it new in wrapper to try out and it survived about 15 balls on a Trackman before it went away to the land of "not for me". Only trades I will consider are: TSi3 3W/3H combo, Oban/VA Composites shafts, GD Tour AD shafts, Atmos TS Blue/Black. Thanks! TSi4 9* Tensei AV White Stiff Standard GP TV grips One and only price drop before eBay- $450 plus shipping, lower 48 only

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I think it's subjective, but I am making more putts for sure. I think it should be said that I'm coming from a Betti QB8 with about 12* of toe hang to the face balanced X6, and that plays more of a factor than the shaft does. On the whole, I do like the shaft. I feel like I can feel the impact and what the face is doing more so than I could with the stock steel shaft prior to the swap.

The gamers are in my signature, but I have the Apex 21 4-AW, Epic Max, and Vokey SM8's in the pen waiting on a call if the need arises. I'll get a pic posted later.

Wait, hitting your second shot from the woods improves your scores? So I've been doing it right all of these years?

LOL, you're using Rors as the baseline to dispel the notion "not hitting from the woods will improve your scores"? Love the "Get off my lawn" guys. If the "fairway" portion of my comment is what you're hung up on, I'm happy to change it to "anywhere other than the woods, shrubbery, or Karen's backyard.".