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Wouldn’t the question be best served with a poll and comments added accordingly? btw arccos for 4 years

Well done #ProdigalDuffer for getting fitted, I’m all for players trying to do the best they can to feel better, play better etc. The new WHS system is scored over average of best 8 rounds out of the last 20, I’m fascinated to hear of your putting numbers over that period with new putter compared to previous putter. My expectation would be that the putting numbers best v worse v average will be little different but that’s not to say what’s been done is a waste of time - if it at least feels better then that is success. Fewer putts is a bonus. The numbers are the truth but not necessarily the only thing that matters. please let us know

I think these thoughts are all genuinely plausible and most likely true. iirc the OP was wondering about the usefulness of getting ‘fitted’ for a putter. Whilst I would never say don’t bother, or otherwise scoff at this I do believe it depends on what’s trying to be achieved. if it’s lowering scores and/or reducing handicap this is likely to be the last step after improving all other aspects of getting to the green. As for putting stats, no one will ‘ever’ become a consistent <30 putter even if they play with a perfect putter daily for 100 years, even tour pros av 31 putts. So it’s not about better putting, it is about fewer putting, I’d love to hear of genuine consistent recorded fewer putts and my guess is it will be few!

I find they are both necessary tools but used differently, GPS is simply an ‘overall’ picture of the hole and ‘approx’ i.e. +/- 5 to 10 yards at best, best used for getting to the point where you next want to hit the green or deliberately play short/long regarding hazards etc. Rangefinder is then your “precision tool” for pure accuracy (especially with slope function) BUT it’s only of real benefit if you have mapped your clubs. If you don’t know your precise club distances or you’re inconsistent in playing them then a rangefinder has no more benefit than the gps numbers. I ALWAYS use rangefinder from under 200 even to even as short as pin at 40yds, as I may want to actually play that shot to 35 short or to 45 long - then I play the number - it gives great confidence !

For what it’s worth I’ve used Arcoss for about 4 years and the only chip option is for the putter so you choose to ‘not’ record a putt from off the green as a putt so you get true putting stats. Shorter game stats is really for recording full wedge shots, any chips or pitches are just recovery shots and just about adding another shot to your score. Correctly mentioned already is not to delete any shots from the club stats but to just deselect anything erroneous eg short pitches etc if it is highlighted. After all chips and pitches are not a measure of your short game ability, that’s what approach and GIR is about. other than that, I’ve never been convinced about the accuracy of Arcoss distances - good enough but especially round greens it can be yards off so I always check/edit after to ensure as accurate as I can

@cnosil I agree 100% that fitted equipment is the way to go - I’ve just been fitted for 4 SM9 wedges to replace my Cleveland RTX’s, next week having a driver assessment/fitting, expecting to end up with either a Ping or Cobra but open to the feel and number results My point in this thread ( the OP not being convinced that a fitted putter is necessary) is not about “non-fitting of clubs” , it is that a “putter fitting” is the last thing a golfer needs if he is hoping to improve his golf/handicap etc. the improvement to scoring will come massively from every other part of his game before putting UNLESS he is so poor that he typically putts 36+ or has too many 3 putts. Even then a simple putting lesson will yield more useful results (cutting out silly stances or flapping elbows etc) than a ‘finely fitted putter’ which is not a game changer but will be icing on the cake. So I also think fitted clubs will help lower the floor and ceiling scores slightly but NOT especially with a fitted putter - I would need to see some numeric stats to believe otherwise.

Found this rather interesting Arcoss putting statistics report on my golf spy albeit from 2017. https://mygolfspy.com/labs/mygolfspy-labs-the-arccos-putting-study/ I know this thread is about whether a ‘fitted’ putter is worth having, but the report has no mention of putter makes or anything about the putters themselves - just the numbers.

@chisag @RickyBobby_PR don’t necessarily disagree with thoughts on “there’s more to it . . .etc” but . . . Apart from the pleasure of the game golf is about the numbers and I genuinely believe that in the putting part of the game, very little will improve in putting numbers just by having a “fitted” putter. More time and effort should be spent on other aspects, ‘diminishing returns’ and all that. Eg I reckon that most single figure players have putting stats similar to when they were mid teen handicap, it’s the last part of the game where numbers will be much different. Driving distance, driving accuracy, approach accuracy, chipping accuracy will all likely to be “much better” as h’cap comes down (or h’cap will come down because those aspects are getting better ) number of putts improvement will be marginal - even tour pros hole ‘only’ 50% of 8’ putts.

What’s everyone’s average putts then, after a new fitted putter, my guess is it’s consistently no different

The OP has asked my own question. 4 years ago I went for a fitting for new irons, it was actually a ‘try these irons and tell me which you prefer”. As it happens, the irons, though standard everything, have been brilliant, but NO thanks to the person ‘fitter’ who simply let me try different clubs and choose my preferred option. Roll forward to last week, I went for a driver assessment/ potential fitting at the same place. It’s a superb setup with trackman, all the latest gear and an abundance of shafts. Unfortunately it was the same guy who sold me the irons. Anyway, I thought I would give him the benefit of doubt! Unfortunately it was as expected. Despite explaining why I was there, “to assess my driving technique for an increase in distance (losing 2 shots gained according to my arccos stats) with a secondary view of a new driver FITTED to best suit me. All we did was an alternative club demo! Despite me asking “where does tee height/club loft/shaft options/grip size/other!” Anyway, I later called the owner to express my incredible disappointment- he was gutted, even saying himself “I wonder how many sales we’ve lost because others experienced the same?” He insisted on refunding my session fee. So - I will persevere with a fitted driver, some research suggests the things to be considered in no particular order are: My current swing and strike tendencies The actual build club to be supplied v test/demo club in detail Distance matters shaft, swing point/weight, Tee height Spin Head loft Grip selection Retest original driver Fit driver to preferred ball (advanced) Data of my shots Demo club v finished build

Well I’ve had the Pro X3 for a month now and played 10 rounds and out again tomorrow and Friday. I am very pleased, it’s just damned quick at locking onto the pin. I’ve tried to fool it with tough backgrounds but it keeps on locking/jolting on the pin. It takes literally 2-4 seconds to get the distance both straight and slope adjusted, pick it up, measure, put it back, take the shot So far I prefer the orange screen indicators rather than black digits but I’ll keep swapping over the months to see if ambient brightness makes a difference. it’s a solid chunky instrument which is very stable in the hands - only ONE complaint! Bushnell have done away with the loop to tie eg a safety line to. I liked the security of a safety line but will have to be super careful in its trolley pouch.

True, if anyone with a Q follow reads the recent excellent MGS tester threads on the Q Follow, there are various comments as experienced by the testers and my own experience regarding balance from front to back and how it affects 1. steering both “default and guided”, 2 the ‘tipping’ point All depends on the type of bag used, which way round it is seated on the trolley, overall weight of bag. My own setup as mentioned by @sirchunksalotand also contained in those tester threads includes 20 balls plus a 2 x 1.5 Kg hand weights in the front lower pocket. The balance etc is perfect. Regarding all other comments re handles breaking, remotes not working - I am stunned plus one picture looks as though the handle has been ripped off, if it came away in the owners hand I’d be all over Stewart Golf wanting answers!

Impressive- and good with your desire to get even more speed- so where do you think ‘more speed’ will come from now you are where you are? Have you analysed video of others with greater speeds than yours, is their lag greater, body turn greater or quicker, wrist position flatter etc, I doubt it’s a bit of it all but just one thing to be even better at

Agreed with OP “any” difference for mid high handicappers is negated by the inconsistency of their swing/strike/ and everything else that makes them a mid high handicapper. In other words a better ball will not reduce their handicap, one may ‘feel’ better than another but the scores won’t change !

Yes it is the connection to the end of the battery, can you Google or ask around for a local ‘hobby’ machinist, I’m positive they could turn a cap for you