Canabuc

Not sure I would trust putting eyes closed. Will try quiet eye or looking at the hole

With all the excitement around LAB decided to try some stuff. Mezz for me was not great. Couldn't aim it properly and my distance control was all over the place. Link was very nice. Was exactly my specs the demo. Had good heft and feel. Would consider it but felt that I wanted something higher MOI to get the full lab experience. DF3 was next. Only demo was 45 inches. Choked up it felt light and it was 30 grams lighter. But I did like the feel and roll it put on the ball. Was strongly considering it but would have to go custom to get shorter length and heavier head. Plus lead time on an order was going to be 6 weeks. Was ready to pull the trigger when I started reading a bunch of reviews and threads on the DF2.1. Most of not all were glowing and the only con was the size. Well I find a store that has my specs( stock 33) available to order. Just came in yesterday. Actually really like the look. So far in limited testing the feel is not far behind the DF3. The weight is better. It seems easily the most forgiving in the lineup in terms of off center hits. I was purposely hitting them off the toe and there was zero difference in roll. Also it puts a much better end over end roll on the ball compared to my gamer. All at a better price too. I think for people interested in a LAB putter, if they don't mind the looks, this is still their best performer. They have done a very good job with the lineup to cater to a wider audience but this is still the Rolls Royce of the lineup.

They make it but only in custom whereas the mezz link and df2.1 can be had in 33 inch

I just upgraded from Paradym to Smoke. Yes I know not a big change. But for me a change in key area. Off center hits!when I miss toe side I would get low spin uncontrollable hooks and heel side would spin too much and lose significant distance. Now it is amazing how those shots hold their line finishing much closer to center and spin rates from lowest to highest is maybe 500 compared to over 1300 from before and the left right dispersion was tighter. Overall distance in a session was 6 yards carry 11 yards longer though good hits with each were no different. So my answer is if you consistently strike center or near it no need to upgrade but otherwise average distance and dispersion is significantly better even over last year.

Thanks makes more sense. Hopefully the message of getting fit gets through as that might be the most important thing. I know for me had I went with the stock shaft and loft on the Smoke Max I would not have purchased. My dispersion launch spin and distance were so much better even without adding any upcharges to my configuration. A cool feature if you use repeat testers would be a section of comparing to their own gamer. This way the audience could see if someone who plays a similar setup to them is deriving a bigger benefit and that data may be more applicable. Eg the Max D scored better than Max but for me it just hit hooks all day and would be unplayable, but in someone's hands who fades the ball it might be Nirvana.

I would love to hear more about that. I know my self it took close to an hour of testing with the 3 stock shafts and different lofts, sleeve and weight track to find a perfect fit. If a tester has to do that for each driver it would take each tester upwards of 40 hours per tester to ensure a best fit scenario...

What I am saying is the the in club adjustments have such a big impact in performance that it might overshadow the small differences between manufacturers at stock set ups.

Actually the Denali black is the stock option on the true diamond and is available for the Max no charge. When you go into a store generally the Max is paired with 55gram Tensei and 3D with the Denali. Also my understanding is that when these clubs are tested weights and sleeve settings are not adjusted.bir are hit in stock setting.

Seriously go watch a video on the Denali black. True temper compares it to HZrdus black

Well I have been a user of both services. I had Arccos when they used to give a 1 year free trial with certain irons and I had received that with my Cobra. Overall the experience was decent but it was a pain when I needed to get new grips. And briefly tried the screw-in sensors but found them a little bit large and bulky. I also did light past to deal with the fact the batteries would die. I also was not a fan of having to keep my phone in a certain pocket and sometimes shots would not get picked up. Of course the biggest issue was the fact that there was a rather expensive annual subscription as well. I moved on to the shotscope v3 which I used for a couple of years and while I had a few little issues with it here and there it mostly worked quite well and generally was happy with it. Customer service was fantastic. And I did see an improvement in my golf game. The X5 version came out and I took advantage of the $100 discount offer for existing users. The initial experience for the first month of ownership of the watch was kind of disappointing. There were a number of different glitches. I have now been using it for 6 rounds on the latest firmware and it is been nearly flawless. I have almost never had to add any shots after the round to the editing. And most editing has been more due to the limits of GPS accuracy when it comes to the putting green. Customer service has been great and they are constantly striving to improve their product. They have some future additions planned for the watch as well including a hole flyover. They added strokes gained feature over a year ago and that has been a very helpful feature when being able to compare my game to one of different handicap levels from Pro to scratch to five etc. I would have no plans going back to Arccos unless they change their business model. I will stick with shot scope until perhaps there is some technology that can be integrated directly into my everyday smartwatch. I I'm aware that if you have an Apple watch you can use it with the Arccos system however you are then suffering significant battery reduction and will not make it through 24 hours before having to recharge your watch. Sent from my SM-S918W using Tapatalk

Think there must be chemicals on putting surface causing that. Have murdered out ER2 with gravity grip I am reacquainting myself with . Ironically when I first got it I putted terribly with it. Grip didn't work... Now that I have a putting Matt in the basement and am trying it against 2 new putters and my Mizuno Craft IV, I am falling back in love. Feel nearly up with the Mizuno. The roll is unreal. Have one of those Taylormade balls with the green stripe on it and it makes a perfect roll with no wobble at all. The gravity grip now that I have returned to a traditional grip reverse overlap, really helps me feel a square path at impact ( still hate the texture though). Finally have been experimenting with the 2 little dots on top and I really do see a bit of gearing back to middle. So while MOI won't be there with my spider X or Agera, the face technology compensates for distance and direction. Sent from my SM-S918W using Tapatalk

If I remember correctly this thread started by somebody commenting on the fact that Scotty Cameron does not align his aim lines on putters with the center of gravity and somehow it devolved into a conversation about the height of the center of gravity of a putter which seemed to be two completely different conversations. One thing I like about the Cleveland putters are that they have a technology where they have the sight line of a putter aligned at the exact height of the equator of the ball such that the matter where your eye line is relative to that sight line there will not be a parallax effect causing you to miss aim off the heel or toe. Another thing I would like to comment about having to do is center of gravities of putters are that the difference between a higher and lower center of gravity and a rear and forward center gravity in a putter is in the order of magnitude of millimeters. Using the information that you can get online about the latest TaylorMade GT Max powder with adjustable weights you could see how even moving large masses of weight from the front to the back of the putter certainly does shift the center of gravity but again we are talking about on the order of several millimeters rather than inches. At the end of the day everybody stroke is different and where the center of gravity is located will have an influence on the person's stroke pattern. Whatever stroke and head combination gets the ball rolling in the direction you want it to as early as possible is the best putter for you regardless of location of sidelines center of gravity or any other characteristics. I do think that compared to the pros it's possible that center of gravity is maybe further back and lower down because most amateurs tend to play on courses that have greens that are a little bit longer and slower than what the guys on tour are used to playing on. This would require a little more loft or a lower and deeper center of gravity to help elevate it out of a depression. And get it rolling as early as possible. Just my two cents. Sent from my SM-S918W using Tapatalk

The navigator gyro features and downhill brake only work when using the remote. That's why it didn't work for you. Read how to pair your remote and it's the only way to really use one of these!

I started on GEA and then gokfwrx and now here and the hackers paradise as well. I think they all have their roles and do different things well. I enjoy all of them because I love golf! This site has me elarn about new equipment and accessories and their great testing process. WRX has more information for instruction and tour and clubmaker type knowledge. THP also has some great reviews and good equipment conversation without needing to hit it 320 like on WRX

Ended up returning them got a crazy deal on new z585. And traded some other stuff for zx7. Both have better spin numbers and the modus shafts in each work better. For now am going z585 and over time will work the zx7 into blended set.