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5 hours ago, DAGolfer said:
I am here to support all those posts about PURE Grips. I have used them exclusively now for 10 years without any regret. I have tried all thier products and sold many to my friends. I haven't had the first problem with them nor any failures. The installation is the greatest improvement I noted in the since doing my own grips in the late 70's. It also makes things easier with my students and those seeking to find the greatest grip around.
FYI: Since changing to the DTX grips 2 years ago I have found that it is easier to keep contact with the club in all kinds of weather and I haven't worn out many gloves at all. Time & sweat are the greatest detriment.
I agree, I've been using the DTX for probably 4 or 5 years now and I will keep using them and hope they never stop making them.
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I use Pure Grip DTX, best grips I've used in the past 40 years.
- Kenny B and ryno_wineo
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Those are pretty good prices, of course once we convert it to canuck bucks it's a little more expensive.
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On 5/14/2021 at 10:00 AM, Kansas King said:
I fully expect Maltby to try and replace the TE/DBM in the coming year or two. Between the new cavity and muscle back they will be coming out with over the year or two, I would expect the TE to disappear. I'm sure the TE still sells okay but the TS1 and TS2 have surely taken much of it's sales away. The one thing I will be curious of with whatever they build to potentially replace the TE is how low the VCOG will be. The TE has a very low VCOG of 0.675" that significantly lower that any other modern Maltby line. Most new Maltby clubs have VCOGs around 0.75" which is good but I have a feeling the very low VCOG of the TE is one of the things that has made it so special over the years. The combination of low VCOG, adequate MOI, non-progressive low offset, thin topline, and moderately forgiving sole has made the club a real "goldilocks" if not borderline unicorn in the golf world. I think the only clubs that perform similarly are some of the Bridgestone cavity back irons and the slightly older Callaway X-Forged cavity backs from roughly 2007 - 2013.
My ultimate hope for a TE replacement is really just a more cosmetic redesign that maintains the current mass and dimensional properties similar. I think the biggest thing we may see is a change to progressive offset and stronger lofts. Hopefully the progressive offset isn't too severe because I play with the MMB 17s and the progressive offset is a little strong to say the least. I enjoy the forgiveness they provide but the longer irons aren't exactly the prettiest to look down to at address. I've hit a TE and really liked it. I may order a set but I get along so well with my MMB 17s, I'm not in a rush. I really wish their were more fitters that had Maltby heads to try. I don't mind building sample irons but it would be easier to see a fitter and try 5 different shafts on a launch monitor than play the guessing game by having to install different shafts on different days.
Yes I'd have to agree with you on all your points about the TEs. Cosmetic redesign okay no problem, but keep the low VCOG and the offsets or lack of offsets, this is what I like about them.
- brendalonian and Kansas King
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On 5/23/2021 at 7:38 PM, Perkmd said:
Just got some new Fairways. Tour Edge CBX 119 13.5 and 18. Had them extended 1" at Miles of Golf and new MCC +4 grips installed. Hoping to get a few extra yards with the new Equipment. I have not hit them yet and they are getting their first swings on the course tomorrow.
Replacing my Cobra Bio Cell 3-4 Fairway....which is a great club.
Congrats, where did you manage to get some new old stock CBx 119s.
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2 minutes ago, jlukes said:
Would it be noticeable? Perhaps not to every golfer. But it would happen and it is something to be aware of. It would also raise the closure rate of the club, potentially leading to the player closing the face faster.
Considering the mass of the head, a few extra or less grams of weight in the back won't do much to those parameters. But if you think it will then okay.
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2 minutes ago, HDTVMAN said:
I have the G400MAX and cut my shaft to 44.5". Ping standard is 45.75". I added lead tape, angled on each side of the rear weight to each corner in a "V" shape. I cut the tape in 1" sections to remove sections until I found the right weight combination, which for me is C-9. I tried changing the weights but the weight didn't feel distributed correctly. By shortening the club, I hit the sweet spot much more often and get greater distance. Pro's use shorter clubs, in most instances, for the same reason. Go to a shop and hit a shorter shaft and see what happens.
Actually Cameron Champ who plays a 425LST has his driver at 44.25" (D4 SW). And I think Rickie's driver was at 43.5", unless he changed it again. Yes a shorter driver can help "most" people hit it better and more consistent.
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20 hours ago, jlukes said:
The didn't necessarily get more distance - they just made the swing weight more manageable because they were choosing not to use a high balance point shaft.
A lighter weight will lower the swing weight and change the Center of Gravity (move it forward slightly) and lower the MOI of the head.
Lowering swingweight is not an automatic way to increase speed - it is all about finding the right balance of swing weight, total weight, etc that allows the player to move the club in the most efficient way possible.
well I doubt very much if lowering the back weight is going to do anything to the centre of gravity or lower the MOI of the head. Not going to happen, okay maybe a tenth of a percentage point.
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On 5/10/2021 at 1:17 PM, Popeye64 said:
The first real rendition of these was the M-05 Logic Tradition started back in 2003. They went through small tweaks for years but have always been one of the best sellers. The final version is the TE and honestly if they keep selling they will keep making them. Time may have finally caught up with the design.. though it has been timeless.
The new TS3 is a very promising progressive cavity back that will be a true forged club. I have very high hoped for this head and it probably won't be till late winter spring. He still has not released pictures yet.
TS-1 is all the latest bells and whistles in tech so it's tough for the TE to keep up. Sounds like the TS3 will be right between the two.
Well in that case I hope the new TS3 version has the same lofts and offsets as the TE, if so then I would give them a try when the time comes.
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On 5/6/2021 at 2:05 PM, Kansas King said:
GolfWorks claims they feel the same. I have a feeling the difference would be more mental than anything. It's important to remember that the TEs have a chrome coating over the top affecting feel unlike the DBMs. The biggest difference is that the DBMs are 1 degree stronger lofted. I also went back to the Maltby forum and in a recent post Britt said they have a progressive cavity back forging quite a ways along in the design process with their next muscle back coming out in 2022.
I have a feeling Golfworks is looking to move on from the TE design eventually but I would be surprised if it is within the next year. I have a feeling if their new forged designs are good, the TE and DBM will go away. My gut says they TE may not be a real profitable product at $29/head like it probably used to be. I'm willing to bet that Maltby doesn't make a forged head that costs under $45 within the next three years.
On 5/6/2021 at 5:08 PM, Popeye64 said:The TE is known as a Legacy head. It's been produced in a form for what has to be nearly 15 years probably closer to 20. A true timeless design. I'm pretty sure they have enough for one more model year. The MMB was another head that live a very long life.
The TS-1 and TS-2 have approached all time sales records if not already there. . So that's what killed the PTM. The TS-1 also killed the MMB-17. Britt has been working on the new forging for quite a while and hoped it would have already been here. The KE4 Tour replacement is just around the corner as well. Another legacy head that's been tweaked forever.
I don't know how long the TE have been out, but considering just how good this head is I can't see why they would stop making it, I prefer it over my Mizuno MPs. New is not always better and I don't know how much better you can get over the TE. Some say the TS1 is better, I don't know I have never tried them. Maybe more people bought them because they have the muscle back look over a cavity backed TE. Well when it comes time to replace a few of my TE heads and they aren't available anymore hopefully Britt will have a newer model that is just as good. Time will tell.
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19 hours ago, brendalonian said:
I've been gaming the Wilson D7 Forged since last summer and I was pretty shocked when I saw they carry an MPF score of 438. But then again, my distance and lateral dispersion with them is pretty erratic. Seeing as how inexpensive the TE Forged heads are, I decided to build three 6 irons in different shafts for some testing.
Even with an MPF of 788, I didn't expect the TE to be ultra forgiving given its compact shape. After four driving range sessions and one 9-hole round, I have been incredibly impressed by how much forgiveness this club provides. The carry distance is down a tad from my Wilsons due to the weaker lofts, but the distance consistency appears, thus far, to be superior. I'm finding a groove with one of the shafts in particular and I feel like I'm throwing darts with this club.
It feels weird to consider replacing a 1.5 year old model with an 11 year old model, but I suppose Maltby/GolfWorks hasn't replaced it because it works and still sells. I too echo @WalterS's question about the longevity of the grooves and wonder if the DBM version would hold up better over time.
Good to hear you're liking the TEs too. Yes I wonder if the DBM version's grooves hold up longer. I guess one option would be to buy a spare set of TE heads before they stop making them.
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1 minute ago, lefty110golf said:
A lot of good comments here. I agree (1) take a lesson from a pro that you trust and (2) find a club fitter. I am 68 and trying to find a way to get my swing speed up. It is currently 85-87. I game a M6 with the Fuji Atmos Black 5R that I cut an inch off, based on what a guy at GolfTec told me. I hit it in the middle, but think I hit it in the middle at the full length, and the swing-weight is like C5. I am going to a fitting at PGASS to see if a different shaft/length/head will help me get back to 90+. This fitter fit me for my Wilson D7 irons and they are working well for me.
the actual swing weight number doesn't matter, what matters is can you feel the head. If you can't feel the head then you need to add weight to it until you can feel the head when you swing it. well getting a lighter club will help you swing it faster, but getting your muscles to react to help you swing it faster is what you want. I would suggest doing some kettlebell swings, pick a weight you can handle safely for 5 sets of 5 to 10 swings. Work up to numbers and over time your body will get used to moving that KB and in turn your swing will pick up some speed, but it won't happen overnight and it won't happen if you don't do the exercise. A couple times a week is fine.
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7 minutes ago, Fjd said:
I am 79 yrs old with a driver swg spd of 79-82 mph. I hit a Tour Edge EXS 220 driver with a Fujikura Air Speeder 40 shaft with an R flex. This club/ shaft was recommended by MGS’s TrueGolfFit system. It was and continues to be a great fit. However, I have found that if I choke up approx. 1” I have more center hits on the club face. Current driver length is 45 1/4” and I choke down to about 44” and the hits are definitely better.
Great for you Fjd, I heard the EXS220 was a nice driver head. Get some spare head weights(for swing weighting) from TE and cut that sucker down to 44".
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Well if he's hitting it all over the face then it may be too long, try a 44". I'd also agree that a senior shaft may not be the right way to go either, try just a regular shaft, yeah I know who's regular as regular is not always regular. As far as lessons go, I'd be careful there, "some" of these so-called instructors don't know sh!t when it comes to giving "proper" swing lessons. But they sure like your money, ha-ha. As far a head goes, if you're not a big hitter to begin with just find yourself an older M1 or M3, those will work just fine for you. Now you're asking yourself what loft, don't automatically assume a 12 or 10.5* because a 9 or 9.5 might be what you need. Learn to hit up on the ball and get a 9 or 9.5.
Just my 2 cents.
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"to remember why they are such a great club but am also reminded why I like the TS-1's that much more. Now I have him considering a set of TS-1's or 2's. We'll see."
Well that sentence sort of sums it up doesn't it, ha-ha. Great, now you'll have me thinking about if the TS-1's could be in my future. But the TS-1 is a 2 piece forged with some polymer in the middle isn't it, where as the TE is a true one piece. Well if your dad likes them better and also plays better with them let me know. Are you going to put the same 950 shafts in his new ones too.
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10 hours ago, azstu324 said:
So as far as the offset, the DBM/TE have uniform offset of .10" throughout the set. The TS-1's have a progressive offset with the lowest being .09" and the highest at .120". to compare .120" to .10" is extremely negligible and really isn't noticeable with the naked eye. These visually have little to no offset.
As for the comparison of feeling and sound, these really are 2 very different clubs. The DBM/TE's are a solid piece of 1030 whereas the TS-1's are hollow 1025c with a polymer insert and tungsten toe weight. I'd say the TS-1's feel just as soft but with a more explosive kick off the face. IMO, a well-struck TS-1 just seems more rewarding. The top line is maybe a hair thinner on the DBM's but the sole is noticeably thinner and rounded on the TS-1.
I also like the overall shape of the blade on the TS-1's. They seem to be more uniform through the set. The DBM's from what I remember had an odd shaped PW and GW in comparison to the rest of the set.
I had my set built with True Temper DG 105 shafts. I believe that for 4-PW + 50° + 56° I paid around $700 shipped. Yes that is probably on the higher end of what you'd pay for any set of Maltbys but IMO I have the equivalent of a $2000 set. I just love everything about these.. and the TSW wedges round them out perfectly.
the more I practice, the luckier I seem to get..
Thanks for your take on the differences between the two. Maybe some day I'll buy a couple heads to try out. Yes the offsets aren't really that much for either of them, so to the naked blind eye you'd never see it and I can't imagine that that little of an offset makes much difference in squaring up the face, but you never know I guess.
I have Nippon NS 950GH shafts(with Pure DTX mids grips) in mine and they work for me(okay, well most of the time, ha-ha)
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10 hours ago, azstu324 said:
Hey still a pretty killer story nonetheless. I believe I got that info in a news article from golf digest. I'm sure they "embellished" a tad.
the more I practice, the luckier I seem to get..
Yeah I was calling him the rock star but he quickly pooh poohed that, ha-ha.
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On 5/4/2020 at 12:03 AM, shortgame said:
I have to agree with you on the OEMs feelings, popeye. I had the Maltby TE forged irons for the past 5 years and its been the best set of irons I've ever had. They're a very forgiving iron with lofts that are not jack up.
I'd have to agree with you there, the TE heads are great(better than my MP57s). I've had them for maybe 4 years now that I really don't have that many rounds on them. My question is how long will the grooves in these last playing 80 rounds a year and should I stock up on another set of heads for backups just incase they decide to stop making them.
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On 3/22/2020 at 12:54 PM, azstu324 said:
You guys have probably seen me post in other threads so sorry for the repeat. Many people in underground component golf brand world don't realize that Wishon was an apprentice of Ralph Maltby back in the 80's.
Wishon then went on to run Dynacraft. And eventually broke off to start Wishon Golf.
Wishon was also a drummer for the Steve Miller band!
These are some really nice looking irons! Can't wait for the release of the TSW wedges. I'm also really interested in the KE4 TC 3 wood or STF2 3 wood.
the more I practice, the luckier I seem to get..
"Wishon was also a drummer for the Steve Miller band!"
Well........ that is not quite completely true. Although he did sit in on the taping of the Fly Like an Eagle album and yes I do believe he told me it is him drumming on one of the tracks on the album. But no he was never "the drummer" for Steve Miller. They just happened to be at the golf course where he was working and found out he was a drummer and asked him to sit in because their drummer was sick. And that is straight from the horse's(Tom's) mouth to me.
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4 hours ago, azstu324 said:
Unfortunately I can't say anything for the Maltby tour grind wedges but I'm certain that they're top notch. Like others here though I game the TSW's and absolutely love everything about them.
While the sole does appear wider, it's not at all noticeable at addresses and has a very "blade-like" appearance. Turf interaction and bounce effectiveness is as good as anything!
I also played the DBM's for a couple of years and loved them. I moved to the TS-1's last year and couldn't be more pleased.
The great thing about Maltby is that you can order both and still be all in for half the price of an OEM
the more I practice, the luckier I seem to get..
So what aspects of the TS-1 do like over the DBM/TE heads, besides they are more expensive, ha-ha. They are nice looking, but they have more offset for each club whereas the TEs have a constant offset. I see the TS-1 use 1025C carbon steel and the TE uses 1035 carbon steel. I'm sure exactly how much difference that really makes or which one is softer feeling etc.
Like you said, beats the cost of OEM by a huge amount.
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16 hours ago, tommc23 said:
They are similar I kicked the glides out for the TSW
Interesting that they kicked out the expensive Pings. At the moment I have Mizuno T7, but my GW is the TE. But I think my next ones will be the TSW.
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I've tried various heavier shafts(>60g in various brands and flex ratings) in both my drivers and FWs. I find I prefer a lighter shaft(50g-ish). I do tend to add tip weights(not much) so I can feel the head weight during the swing. The total weight of the club does end up a little lighter, while still being able to feel the head. I do put my own clubs together and use my swing weight gauge to put the SW where I need it, although SW is not the be all end all. Having your own SW gauge helps get things where I like them. I have to use mid size grips, which adds more weight(58g vs 48 for reg-typically) to the butt end which can cause problems in trying to keep the club balanced, and using lighter shafts doesn't help in the balancing act in this case. But once they're setup correctly I find they work better for me.
As for shafts, at the moment I'm using the Aerotech Claymore shafts in both my driver and FW and I just love em. I like them more than the vastly more expensive other shafts I've had.
Come on RI_Redneck at 58 you're still a young'en, ha-ha, I've got you by 6 years, I guess I started at about age 19. With my present driver I can still get it out there over 300(total, according to my GPS, but maybe Garmin skewed it, ha-ha, good, it still makes me feel good).
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So true, like everything in golf you need to test it, what works for one may not work for another, but there are still some basic rules I guess that stand. Unfortunately too many golfers can not afford that luxury or being fitted so they rely on forums like this to help them out.
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3 minutes ago, Murv said:
I carry the 50, 54 and 58 TSW wedges and love them. I have 3 requirements from my wedges...full and partial fairway shots, pitchs and chips from around the green and bunker shots. The TSW do all well. My course has poor bunkers...so that is my weakest shot. A little more bounce on my 54 would be nice. I also have a 56 and go with it instead of the 54-58 combo if I need something at the other end of the bag.
I highly recommend them
How are they understand damp or wet conditions, would they match up to the Ping Glides.
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Congrats to the 4 testers, can't wait to here about the Star Grips from your tests. Now get out there and start playing. Well maybe not for LeakyValve(gee where did you get that name, haha, must work in the patch) as I doubt courses are open in Edmonton yet, but maybe.