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There is pretty much two sides of this topic. Very very hard to be in the middle. 
I know that I am on one side and would love to go on and on about it, but for various reasons can't, shouldn't and won't. Pretty sure I've written pages here that have never been posted. Just written then deleted as therapy lol
Many of these deals will be cancelled or not continued and both sides will try to spin it in a positive light. Same goes with Phil and his Callaway sponsorship bring paused. 
Convenient (and in some cases true) they end early or about now and easy to see one side as it is because of LIV and the other being that it just ran it's course. Bryson is another example. 
Can we all agree we will be curious to see how the viewer numbers and data will shake out? 

David  Puig ----- Eugenio Chacarra and there will be more
saying dealing with hypotheticals is pointless is pointless

James Piot went straight from college to LIV and has a 2 year contract. Nice article about him in the current Golf Digest magazine. 

This is my concern as well. LIV was easy to watch  with no ads, but will it get boring like the PGA broadcasts with endless commercials? Guess we'll find out. 

i was wondering how much pressure the tour was going to put on the masters in 2024 to change rules how people get in to play .  

i was wondering how much pressure the tour was going to put on the masters in 2024 to change rules how people get in to play .  

Looks like Phil can continue playing the Masters.
https://sports.yahoo.com/the-masters-wont-ban-liv-golf-players-for-now-173208239.html

Interesting latest article from John Barba.  My guess is that, unlike the example "bridges to nowhere" (the world is rich with those), Rumayyan's personal connection with the sport will keep the venture funded. Curious what the Oddshark over/under is on Mark King becoming the face of LIV Golf?  Replacing the much maligned Norman with a hip, golf industry rock star is a smart play.
Personally, I started losing connection/interest with pro tour golf prior to LIV's start.  Like so many other sports, money, greed, and abject narcissism has overshadowed content and, at least for me, lessened its value.

Ok, I was wrong, LIV is a lie and Monahan is an honest stand up guy...🤥

Never said in the US. They have been allowed in Europe, SAUDIA ARABIA, China and Japan without a release at opposite field PGA events and many still hold dual membership on DP tour which the PGA has basically bullied and taken over. Certain PGA players are bigger than the tour and they know it and use it at every opportunity to get what they want. That is a big reason that so many players have left. If the top 10 get every benefit and payout coming and going, it doesn't leave much for the bottom. Read that IRS filing. Look at the policy board salaries. Davis Love hasn't played relevant golf in 10 years and they were paying him 800k per year! Paying players that much to sit in on a few meetings seems like a few extra million for backing the cause. 

i love vinn diagrams , they tell a lot ., not that i agree with one 

nfl/nba/mlb the Revenue for each  is approx  $10 billion each or around $30 billion total , their comm's make  $57 million or approx point 2 percent ( .2 % ) of the total Revenue , the pga total Revenue is approx $1.5  billion , keeping  the same percentage .2% of $1.5 billion  is  3 million dollars , that is what jm should make to be on par with the other comm's , he makes at least 2x that . 
apples to apples 

you have to use something to comper , if what you say is true then  jm should be making much less than the now , like i sad he should be making less than 3 mil 

So lets talk about the "release rule." This is straight from 2 players on tour now. Certain players have always been released to play opposite field events all over the world. Even....Saudi Arabia...pocketing millions to show up at these events. They never asked the tour for a release, they just didn't "sign up" for the opposite PGA event. When the LIV players asked for the opposite field release the appropriate way, they were denied. They said this rule has never been enforced until LIV and that it had never even been a topic of discussion except as a loophole the tour may be able to use. Hard to believe if you are calling someone an independent contractor and providing a W9, but forcing them to appear and act as a full time employee of the tour and the tour being allowed to restrict your other employment, that it isn't anti trust. I'm sure if it all ends up not being settled, it will all come out in the anti trust suit. It is hard to say you have a rule but then selectively enforce it. That's why I'm 100% sure the PGA will never let it get public as I'm betting just their calls and emails to courses, sponsors and events would quickly show that they were trying to prevent competition. Think about Augusta National being dragged to court to discuss the calls with the PGA about banning players. It will 100% never make it that far.
 
Honestly on this point, no hard feelings discussing all this. It is fun to discuss and in the end, who even knows what happens, but it is sad to see the best players not on the same courses all year. I think the majors will greatly impact how everything goes forward. Could you imagine what happens if LIV guys play majors and one wins this year. Heck, Cam could win multiple. Monahan's head would explode. In the end, I see both Monahan and Norman gone and a peace treaty of some sort. Neither are good for the game in my opinion.

Well, it has 100% to do why LIV exists and why PGA leadership wasn't paying a fair amount to players. The players bring in the revenue but have been told the money didn't exist to increase purses or take care of caddies. That has been documented for years. The PGA's lack of support of players is 100% why LIV exists and why more players will leave.

Interesting points which raise many questions about the PGA Tours business model... irrespective of LIV's existence.  Many seem to dismiss the fact that both Tiger and Phil were very vocal, many times and years ahead of LIV, that the tours "profit sharing" (call it what you will), was disproportionate and outdated with other professional sports.
The irony in all this is that Monahan & Co. could have made LIV's successful start DOA had they chosen to make changes the players requested.

Here is their latest available entire tax return, feel free to see that benefits and pensions are separate from cash as in any financial documents and are generally future payable obligations, not assets. https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/display_990/520999206/02_2020_prefixes_47-52%2F520999206_201812_990O_2020020417102785
You will never see Monahan's statements publicly as these statements were directly from players in the meetings, I'm sure the media wasn't invited. You may remember about 6-7 years ago, feel free to look it up, I remember it being pretty public, that the players asked the tour to better help support the caddies and the tour flat out said no. Follow some of the tour caddies on twitter, they still talk about how they are treated by Monahan and looked down on. He is very much that old school mentality that the caddies and even in many cases, the golfers are 2nd class citizens that drive this money machine. If you have paid attention to the whole LIV saga, you would know Monahan is who keeps dragging it through the mud and keeping it in the news. Rahms article just today basically says the PGA players better be thanking LIV for everything new they are now getting and forcing the PGA's hand.
 
Here is another interesting take from the legal side-
"Only about half the Tour’s revenues are paid out to its golfers. Much of the rest goes to profits and to sustain a large bureaucracy. The Tour’s employees are paid $140 million to run 45 golf events from its new $65 million headquarters.
Commissioner Monahan made $8.9 million in 2019, the latest year for which his pay was disclosed. If he were a professional golfer, he would have ranked second, after Brooks Koepka and ahead of Rory McIlroy, on the official PGA money list that year. Monahan’s salary is likely much higher now. The chief operating officer made $5.6 million in 2019. Seven other Tour executives were paid at least $2 million.
The Internal Revenue Service, nevertheless, treats the Tour the same as it does large tax-exempt charities like the American Cancer Society, whose CEO makes $982,000 a year; Yale University, whose president is paid $1.6 million; and St. Jude Children’s Hospital, whose CEO makes $2.3 million.
How can this be? The Tour’s 501(c)(6) nonprofit designation excludes “certain organizations from tax due to their activities related to social welfare,” according to the Tax Foundation. In 1966, as part of a deal to approve the merger between the American Football League and the NFL, Congress created a loophole for pro sports leagues.
The IRS specifically provided a 501(c)(6) exemption for “business leagues, chambers of commerce, real estate boards, boards of trade and professional football leagues.” And “football leagues” was later applied to other sports organizations as well.
Americans tend to understand why charities, religious organizations and educational groups don’t have to pay taxes. But it's hard for taxpayers to fathom why they have to pay taxes, while professional sports leagues that rake in billions of dollars a year don’t owe a dime to Uncle Sam.
Not surprisingly, sports leagues began feeling pressure from the media and public officials over their questionable tax-free status. In 2007, baseball gave up its tax exemption; in 2015, football did the same. The PGA Tour, however, remains untaxed.
As a result, the U.S. Treasury was deprived of more than $70 million between 2016 and 2019 (again, the 2020 and 2021 information hasn’t been disclosed yet).
The PGA Tour is obviously set up to make a profit. It has a chief commercial officer, a chief marketing officer and a business model that aggressively thwarts competition, a classic strategy for profitability.
By restraining competition, the Tour can keep its own purses low. By threatening expulsion for life, as the Commissioner has reportedly done to players tempted to play in tournaments sponsored by other leagues, the Tour can keep its workforce in line.
As a result, the average golfer earns a small fraction of what other pro athletes make, and PGA Tour golfers are forced to pay for their own travel and other expenses.
According to its official IRS filing, the Tour’s principal mission is promoting the sport of golf and “providing competitive earnings opportunities” for its members. In fact, competition is precisely what the Tour doesn’t want.
In March, an organization called LIV Golf Investments, headed by Hall of Fame golfer Greg Norman, announced a series of eight international tournaments. The average purses of these tournaments are more than $32 million, compared with $9 million for the average PGA Tour event.
So far, the Tour has tried to prevent golfers from participating in LIV tournaments.
Washington policymakers are growing tired of the PGA Tour enjoying both a tax exemption and an apparent immunity from antitrust action. Rep. Greg Steube of Florida introduced legislation to take away the Tour’s 501(c)(6) status as a “matter of common sense and fairness.”
Alden Abbott, former general counsel to the Federal Trade Commission, has written that a ban on golfers playing in a competing league’s tournament would “trigger a slam-dunk antitrust suit.”
The PGA Tour shouldn’t wait for lawmakers and bureaucrats to hand down penalties.
The Tour should recognize its obligations to the common interest of its members, the way other nonprofits do, and allow golfers to compete in other events. Competition will benefit the game of golf, bring more fans to the sport and improve the welfare of pro golfers. Those, after all, are the PGA Tour’s stated goals.
The PGA Tour should then follow the lead of other professional sports leagues and start paying taxes like other for-profit businesses. It’s completely unfair to ask struggling Americans to pay taxes while a $1.5 billion global brand pays no taxes at all."

i must have missed all the reasons that norman is a bad person to head up liv , i can only think of 2 people  ap and jn who have accomplished more golf/business  than norman .
just  because you and others have posted reasons (?) norman is a bad person to head up other than he dislikes the the pga mgt does not make it true ..
even rory and tiger did not say why he should be removed , just said he should go .

https://golfweek.usatoday.com/2022/11/29/phil-mickelson-tiger-woods-pga-tour-loan-liv-golf/
excellent link in what phil said .
like i said before norman is the best person liv can have running things  , he is not a pga bobble head ,  if i was a spokesman for the pga like rm/tw i would want him gone,also  , i don't know why , i guess they can't handle the power norman has and norman's dislike for the pga ., other than that i don't know why they hate him .
norman is worth 500 million , has been successful in everything he has done , i would be afraid of him too .

They have a pension account. He was mentioning the cash account which Monahan has told players in the past that it was restricted and couldn't be used for purses and caddie support. Recently, they players have found out that was a lie. That is a part of why many have went to LIV. Monahan is as big or bigger problem than Norman and his leadership is honestly the sole reason LIV exists. Sadly Rory and Tiger as so far up his rear end, nothing will change, except for the very top players and more players will continue to migrate to LIV.

i must have missed all the reasons that norman is a bad person to head up liv , i can only think of 2 people  ap and jn who have accomplished more golf/business  than norman .
just  because you and others have posted reasons (?) norman is a bad person to head up other than he dislikes the the pga mgt does not make it true ..
even rory and tiger did not say why he should be removed , just said he should go .

https://golfweek.usatoday.com/2022/11/29/phil-mickelson-tiger-woods-pga-tour-loan-liv-golf/
excellent link in what phil said .
like i said before norman is the best person liv can have running things  , he is not a pga bobble head ,  if i was a spokesman for the pga like rm/tw i would want him gone,also  , i don't know why , i guess they can't handle the power norman has and norman's dislike for the pga ., other than that i don't know why they hate him .
norman is worth 500 million , has been successful in everything he has done , i would be afraid of him too .

i must have missed all the reasons that norman is a bad person to head up liv , i can only think of 2 people  ap and jn who have accomplished more golf/business  than norman .
just  because you and others have posted reasons (?) norman is a bad person to head up other than he dislikes the the pga mgt does not make it true ..
even rory and tiger did not say why he should be removed , just said he should go .

https://golfweek.usatoday.com/2022/11/29/phil-mickelson-tiger-woods-pga-tour-loan-liv-golf/
excellent link in what phil said .
like i said before norman is the best person liv can have running things  , he is not a pga bobble head ,  if i was a spokesman for the pga like rm/tw i would want him gone,also  , i don't know why , i guess they can't handle the power norman has and norman's dislike for the pga ., other than that i don't know why they hate him .
norman is worth 500 million , has been successful in everything he has done , i would be afraid of him too .

Tiger put his foot in his mouth. He needs to do some research prior to shooting off while not knowing the facts. "Took out a loan", what a joke.