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  1. People play the game for different reasons. Some to play and get better and see how low they can get their cap. Others to have fun with friends and play ok (maybe break 100 or 90). Others just play to have fun and don’t care about score or gaps or lofts is the materials and design. companies understand there’s a wide range of golfers of all abilities and wants. Like any company selling goods and to make a profit they are going to produce products the public wants or needs. Their success is based on the consumer buying the product. If the consumer doesn’t buy they stop selling said product and readjust. Golf is no different. Many people don’t have time to practice to get better so make a product that offers forgiveness, makes the game easier because the club is bigger and gets the ball in the air clubs with stronger lofts are played by all levels of golfers for various reasons. The better golfer will do things to hit different shots with the same club and look at gapping. The more educated consumer will setup a bag with better gapping than the avg golfer or weekend warrior. These guys just want to play golf and enjoy their few hours on the course.
  2. The vast majority of amateur golfers especially high handicaps full swing every club. I don’t remember the last random person I got paired with that didn’t get a yardage then choose the club that they feel goes that exact yardage with a full swing. The group that I have been playing with for 20+ years (down to about 10 or so from almost 20 over the years) doesn’t have more than 1 person in it that takes anything less than a full swing from anything other than what most consider the awkward yardages.
  3. The problem with that and even guys I know that were fans of hogan irons complain about having to keep track of what loft goes whst distance and it’s easier to know the iron number goes X distance. The other issue is people don’t like change so getting away from what has been in use for decades isn’t easy to get away from. The guys at hogan realized this and they now use iron numbers instead of lofts Some people don’t know how far they hit any club. Many golfers base their distance off the one time they hit that particular club in that one perfect hit and every other time they missed the center or chunked or thinned it so those distances don’t count even though that’s their typical shot and then don’t use the avg distance to figure out how far they really hit a club and most played the same set makeup they have always played and will replace a long iron with a hybrid of the same number (4h replace 4i) even though because of launch conditions they probably hit the 4h farther Buy a wedge that fits in between them. GW, SW, LW are terms that need to go away but like iron numbers mentioned above are things in golf that the avg consumer would hate to see changed because it takes the guess work out of the purchase of clubs. Lots of pros use 60* wedges out of the sand but that’s called a lw. Depending on the distance, ball position in the bunker, the lie they may use a pw, gw, or whatever they feel is needed to get out. The avg golfer sees pw, gw (the club between pw and sw), Sw(tge club I’m using from the sand everytime), lw (need this fo hit high flop shots) when in reality the bag should be setup based on gapping needs, the type of courses one plays and the conditions of those courses. For me I figure out what my longest iron goes then find out what type of club and the loft that gets me what I need to fit between that and my fw. It could be a 2-4* gap using a hybrid depending on design of the club. Then I figure out my 9i distance and if I need to bend pw or buy a non set wedge to fit that gap and then fill in goin down from there. I don’t typically full swing anything past my gw which is usually a 50 and I’ve found that 4* gap to my next wedge suits my needs and then will play a 58 or 60 depending how I feel when I’m buying my wedges
  4. It doesn’t matter what’s stamped on the bottom. That’s an arbitrary number put on there by a manufacture. Sgi clubs like pxg xf, epic star, g410 and such all have different lofts so which one is the standard. in reality we are all playing jacked lofts because they have been getting stronger for decades. The 46* pw is a jacked pw. with all that said I’m out. It’s a topic that has been hashed out and beaten to death on the internet for years and a topic that just won’t go away. Play what you like, don’t buy/play what you don’t, don’t knock what somebody else plays that’s enjoying the game with the clubs in their bag even if there is a perceived gapping issue. Heck there’s pros with large gaps in wedges are they wrong for that.
  5. The weekend warrior doesn’t care about any of the stuff the educated golfer/internet golfer does. The gapping, lofts, number on the bottom are irrelevant to them. The make up there bag based on what they think a set should be. If they think they need more wedges they buy them and if they think they need a hybrid or wood they will buy it. On Saturday I played with an older guy that I was paired up with last year at the same course. He’s a team titleist member, Scotty Cameron fan and had pxg xf Gen2 irons he was fitted for. Mizuno hybrid and woods. Still has those clubs at home, but this year he was fit for epic star irons, epic flash driver still had Mizuno hybrid and wood in the bag. Set makeup was exactly the same as last year just different names. Lofts iirc on the epic star are 3-4* stronger than the pxg. He mentioned he liked the Callaway’s because they went further. Never once said he knew or cared about the loft in them that’s why he knew his 6i went further with this set. He doesn’t play much and practices even less. At 74 his goal is to still break 100 and on the course we played even from the second tees its a tough course. He shot 97, had a great time on the course despite not really knowing any of the guys he was paired up with. Did Callaway do him a disservice? I play periodically with a group of guys that I’ve known for 25 years and have been playing with for 23 of those years. They play 3x/week and don’t practice. They don’t buy new clubs that often but when they do they don’t get fit and it’s usually based on brands they like or maybe a review from golf digest or what pros are playing. The only thing they care about is does the club make it easier to hit than what they currently have and does it go at least as far. If consumers felt like companies were doing a disservice to them don’t you think they would stop buying the product this causing the companies to adjust their strategy and products?
  6. And on the other end there’s videos like rick Shiels did for drivers from each brand over their last 5 releases showing minimal of any differences. the center of the face has been maxed out for years. Improvements have come from better technology in the ability to move weight around and change launch characteristics so for some there will be a gain...the significance level will vary from person to person. A 5 yard gain for one person may be insignificant because that is less than a full club where someone else might say wow I gained 5 yards and that’s huge to them. is your data based on averages of strikes in fitting and on course or is it matching similar contact point to similar contact point? if one tends to hit a driver low heel but bits another driver high toe they are going to perform differently even if fitted. I’ve seen people who never hit low heel only find that on the 2016 m2 driver regardless of shaft or hosel setting.
  7. The bolder part is the case for you but not for every golfer. The average golfer doesn’t care about that. Most still play the same wedge lofts they always played because that’s what they are used to. Companies aren’t doing a disservice to the golfer. If they were then the sales numbers would reflect than and they would change their approach but companies like Callaway are making huge profits and outside of forums golfers aren’t complaining about lofts, gaps, and so on.
  8. They don’t care to do it. There average golfer wants and easy fix and isn’t into the nuts and bolts of the club. Most don’t get fit. don’t most consumers rely on a company to do stuff for them? People take their cars to mechanics for maintenance because they either don’t want to do it, don’t have time to do it or don’t want to know how to do it. Same for many other professions. Why would/should golf be any different?
  9. Interesting because in all of my testing over the last 4-5 years ball speeds on center or very close to center are within a couple mph of each other and distance both carry and potential total are also within a couple yards. Some instances like with the m5 my carry and ball speed were down compared to g400 and 917 but total was close due to launch and spin. I would love to see the data you have comparing center hits across the various properly fit drivers
  10. The average golfer doesn’t know and probably doesn’t care what the loft on their irons are. They care how far they go. I play a lot of golf with random people as I tend to play solo and usually last minute. I don’t remember the last time anyone talked about the loft on their irons. They were all about when I have x distance I pull y club. Many also like that they hit their new x club farther than their old one and don’t account for anything related to the design of it. I’ve been to numerous demo days and the vast majority of golfers are looking for one thing and that is does this club go farther than my current one...that applies to woods and irons. it’s the internet golfers and the better players that have issue with the perceptions of jacked lofts and are the ones looking to make sure their bag is gapped correctly. So the notion of companies doing a disservice to the average golfer is that gets projected onto the average golfer
  11. Are you talking center face contact or for contact of center such as high toe and low heel
  12. 12-15 yards is a normal gap for the majority of irons and recommended down thru wedges. what one sees will be dependent on that person and how the deliver the club into the ball as launch & spin and consequently land angle will be affected. the good thing about most clubs is they can be adjusted to get what gap a player wants. Off the top of my head Titleist and Callaway offer multiple set wedges to gw or sw to fit into their players, gi/sgi irons and TaylorMade might as well with the m irons. theres always going to be a gap in bags whether it’s from irons to woods or irons to wedges. Those who play the more forgiving irons would need to buy more wedges and would be able to drop hybrids because the irons cover that gap and wedges are cheaper than hybrids. Those who play a smaller iron head would have gaps at the top.
  13. That is some tight gapping. For most companies they look to get 15 yards between clubs. theres a large number of golfers out there that want to hit the ball far. They don’t care that it might go to far or that the gap is 17 yards instead of 12. I think most golfers would prefer to hit an iron over a hybrid so if a 4i goes the same distance and hybrid and is almost as say to get in the air that’s not a bad thing for most. Everyone wants golf to be easy so what does it matter if someone plays clubs that go high and far? What does it matter if that person has a gap that’s bigger or smaller than someone else prefers? The golfer looking at the gi/sgi type of club is buying it because they are inconsistent with contact on the face and thus distance. If the golfer is out playing and has a good time or is just happy to be playing that’s all that matters. the great thing about golf is there are lots of brands with lots of choices from baby blades to almost a full set of hybrids. Find what works for you and play that.
  14. Distance control means different things to different people. some want to flight the ball down and hit different distances with the same club. others want consistent distance which is another form of control where they don’t catch a hot one from the fairway and fly a green. companies know golfers want to hit the ball far and so they market distance which is easier to sell than accuracy. Some guys want to hit their 7 iron the same distance they did when they were younger.
  15. The investment comment wasn’t directed at you it was a general statement, there’s plenty of posts around the various forums of people complaining about the lack of trade in or resale market for clubs and why would anyone invest in new gear. name a consumer product that the trade in value is higher or equal to the resale value? You trade a care in for $3000 dealer sells it for $5000. There’s people who want a good deal and there’s others who won’t buy used from some unknown entity. Some won’t sell to unknown either.
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