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  1. There’s a very popular guy in our league, overall a funny guy but a dick on the golf course. He berates himself constantly, even throws clubs some. Last week he was in the foursome ahead of us, and one of us hit a layup, pulled the shot and hit a cart path and bounced and rolled to pin high, 30 yards left. Never would have gone near that far if not for the cart path. There was zero danger in hitting anyone (we would have yelled FORE) and none of them noticed the ball, until they walked off the green and noticed the ball near their carts. The dick looked back at us, and stomped the ball into the ground. I know better than to get mad while playing golf. It won’t make things better, and will likely make things worse for the player and everyone else in the foursome. No thanks. We’re supposed to be adults...not 12 year olds.
  2. That's why iron sets were 3-PW when I started and 2 irons weren't that uncommon, now they start with a 4 or a 5.
  3. We agree there, I don't know why I let myself get sucked in again... Fortunately we all LOVE golf.
  4. I explicitly DIDN’T say that in the post you quoted. And I’ve acknowledged what engineers have done WRT lower CG/higher launch, forgiveness/larger “sweet spots” and COR and acknowledged those are good reasons to buy new clubs. If want to convince me (it is possible), answer the two questions I’ve asked several times. 1) So why didn’t clubmakers just stamp the new irons with numbers corresponding to what was standard at the time (e.g. 7 iron 34-35* loft)? 2) The “who cares” crowd consistently refuses to acknowledge that time and time again when a good player (or any amateur who pures both) hits a 28 degree iron, whether it’s stamped 7 or 5, they go the same distance within a few yards.“ Why? Almost every YouTube golf club reviewer with a Trackman has shown that over and over.
  5. And some of us wish you’d quit lumping everything under “who cares what number is on the iron.” Yes, most GI clubs launch higher/easier than blades or even older GI clubs which helps many players enjoy golf more. Great! If you’ve already decided to buy new irons to have something more forgiving than your old ones, that’s perfectly fine and what’s stamped on them doesn’t matter. Great! If you’ve already decided buying new irons just to have something new after X years, perfectly fine and what’s stamped on them doesn’t matter. Great! But if you’re buying new irons because you want more distance, and you choose because the new jacked loft 5-iron goes further than your old (unbeknownst higher loft) 5-iron, you’ve been duped by marketing BS. There are lots of players who unwittingly (and some knowingly) do the latter. We’ve all seen players proud of hitting their new irons further... Again, the “who cares” crowd consistently refuses to acknowledge that time and time again when a good player (or any amateur who pures both) hits a 28 degree iron, whether it’s stamped 7 or 5, they go the same distance within a few yards. There’s no reason they couldn’t have just stamped soles with numbers corresponding to traditional lofts - except they’re counting on dupes oblivious to lofts thinking they hit the new ones further...that’s BS.
  6. Though tongue in cheek, this is the best answer. Play for a while longer, sounds like you are now, and see if you still enjoy golf before dropping $1400 on any irons. Then you can decide if you want to pay a manufacturer to stamp your new irons with one or two club lengths added so your 7 iron is really a 6 or 5 iron. You certainly don’t need to rush out and get fit either. Height is secondary, wrist to floor length is the key. You can manage just fine with standard length clubs to start. Even if you’re fitted your driver will be about 9” longer than your PW - being a 1/2” long isn’t crucial for now. Fitting is great, but amateurs have gotten carried away with the idea, and finding a good fitter isn’t easy (most free fittings are hit & miss at best).
  7. You missed the point, but I agree the subject has been beat to death. Enough.
  8. Yes, or his fitter did. He could have kept the irons he had and just taken one more club and saved $1500 give or take. The Epic Stars are the same as he had with soles stamped with one higher number. He’s not hitting it further. Some brands/models are jacked a full two clubs in loft. Again, where does it stop? When a 9-iron is 22* loft? I agree most players don’t know or care, they wouldn’t have fallen for the loft jacking if they cared.
  9. This is a tired old topic that's been beaten to death. There's no going back now, so it's not worth debating anymore. But if you must... The numbers weren't always meaningless, but they have been for the last 10-20 years as manufacturers decided it would be nice if A) letting unwitting middle aged players think the 2015 7-iron was 10 yards longer than the 2010 7-iron and B) old guys could hit a 7-iron as far as they used too, but giving them a 5-iron stamped with a "7" and (instead of just taking more club as we age like everyone before us). I know all the marginally true BS about higher launch, lower CG, higher COR, etc. - there was no reason they had to drop the standard loft-club number association that stood for generations. If you take a traditional blade 7-iron with a 35° loft and a Whizbang SGI-XXL 5-iron with a 35° loft - they'll fly about the same if you pure both. If you don't believe it, there are dozens of YouTube videos demonstrating exactly that. The Whizbang may be way more forgiving, but doesn't change distance if you hit it square. It's not that big a deal, it only rubs me the wrong way because it was 95% marketing BS, and most players fell for it hook line and sinker - thinking, hey I'm hitting these new irons further, when they're really not. One day a 9-iron will have a 22° loft and we'll all carry 8 wedges, fortunately I'll be gone. It also means when someone asks "what did you hit" after a good shot, it's meaningless now where it used to mean something fairly universal. Today you'd have to ask what loft did you hit to mean anything - but I'm not suggesting it. Some people know already, others don't care. Fortunately the marketing geniuses can't apply the same BS thinking to wood/metals since no one can hit a 5° driver. So the USGA let them give us driver heads the size of grapefruit with much higher CORs before setting a limit, for now.
  10. Since there's very little difference in driver spin between a 2-piece surlyn ball and a 3/4/5-piece urethane tour ball, so 99% of us would benefit from having a tour ball that spins more off lofted clubs - unless your swing speed is too low to generate any spin, or your swing speed is so high more spin results in ballooning trajectories. The only appeal to a cheap 2-piece surlyn ball is they're cheaper and maybe more durable. Or if you're swing speed is too low to generate much spin with any ball, why spend more on balls. These days, tour balls are light years more durable than a generation ago so the surlyn durability advantage may be slight. And the supposed distance advantage to 2-piece surlyn balls has been regulated out too. So I guess the OP is right in saying if anything a tour ball is "game improvement" for most players. But it seems counterproductive to market tour balls as game improvement - maybe one day if they run out of the standard marketing speak...
  11. Thanks for all the replies. It's interesting to me, and I completely respect the biases of others, as I realize some of mine may be unfounded. I tend to stick with what's worked and any club type or brand that hasn't may never get another look. I don't try to influence any one, and I am bullheaded not easily influenced by others (happens glacially when it does). I always buy high quality equipment, but it's not costly as I don't change often - and I never blame my equipment for bad shots, bad shots are at least 95% me and I know it...
  12. Stemming from a couple other current threads, and recognizing there are no right answers, it might be interesting to see how our biases vary if we're being totally honest? You can explain, or not, but our personal choices are just that - all our own. General: What a club feels and sounds like is very high on my list, consistency/disperson next (by whatever means, GI, etc.) and distance last. Driver/metals: I won't buy a driver with all sorts of elaborate adjustments, adjustable hosel OK but anything on the head is a deal breaker to me. And I won't buy a driver that's not dark gray or black. No red, blue or white heads for me. I once had TM Burner Bubbles with copper colored heads, hated the look. Hybrids: No thanks. Carried a Callaway and then a Mizuno CLK for three years, tried really hard to like them, but just gave up recently. Irons/wedges: Has to be forged. I have never hit a cast club that I liked at all, the Mizuno Hot Metals were the only ones I thought were remotely acceptable. Putters: Onset no. Offset yes, but no plumbers necks. The more alignment lines/marks the better. I like heavier heads and soft faces. PING and Evnroll are my favs, though I did play an Odyssey long ago. Though I grew up with a Bullseye, mallets are working better for me now. Head has to be bare metal or black, no colors. Balls: Even though I'm a mid HI player, I only use tour level balls, and I almost never pick up lost balls. Played only Titleists for over 50 years, switched to Snell 3 years ago. When I find one, I give it to someone else in my group, or toss it in the fairway for someone else to find. Some times I will toss them in my cart, and then leave them all on a green - just to amuse whoever comes along and wonders WTH? Gloves: Leather. I tried a $30 tour glove once and ripped the palm out in one round, so I buy cheapo FJ gloves now. Shoes: FJ with spikes only, out habit for over 50 years. Brands: Taylor Made is my least favorite major brand, I won't even look at their equipment. Mizuno, Ping & Titleist are my favorites. I'm playing a Callaway driver & 3 wood - to my surprise.
  13. Do you know why, I’m curious? After trying several other brands/models, I went to PGA Superstore fully intending to buy a Ping G400 last year, but thought I’d try the Rogue to be sure. I’d never owned a Ping or a Callaway wood/metal, so no recency bias. When I hit them side by side, to my surprise (dismay?) I hit the Rogue a little further and I liked the sound and feel better. So I bought the Callaway Rogue. Feel (partly sound) is high on my list for any club I buy.
  14. Variable. In the last 10 rounds I’ve ranged from 79 to 92 on the same course. That pretty well explains my word. Fairways hit is where I’m most inconsistent. I enjoy every round though, or I wouldn’t play.
  15. Depends on what I'm paying to some extent. I will go on a cheap public course if I am just out practicing, and I don't expect to get a $$$ course for $ greens fees. I rate condition and layout first. Scenery is nice, but not a big factor to me. What I don't like is unfair holes, e.g. pin placements no one could hit in regulation, e.g. long approach to a pin tucked behind a trap - I just shake my head when I see it, and wonder what the greenskeeper or super was thinking when they cut that hole. Maybe it's just me but if I hit a great drive, I should have a shot at GIR without a miracle shot. One unfair hole out of 18 OK, but several is WTH? courses where the challenge is too uneven, some easy holes mixed with some nearly impossible holes. I appreciate some mix, but not from one extreme to another. I have played a few courses like that. And I don't have a problem with courses where all the holes a relatively hard, you should know what you're getting into before you choose to play them, especially these days with all the info online. courses where you can't hit a driver very often - a course I played regularly had a dogleg par 4 with a creek across the bend, that I couldn't tee off with more than a 5 iron. More than that and I was in the creek, but you couldn't carry the creek because the hole went 90 deg right after the creek, with trees on both sides. You could carry a longer club to the fairway across the creek, but you'd be in the trees at least 95% of the time - if you can't visualize, imagine trying to hit a both sides tree/deep rough lined fairway from 90 degrees! That's just an uncalled for hole design to me. There were 4-holes where you had to layup off the tee, I don't care for that.
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