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Bumping the thread because I added my final review. The TLDR The design of the Garsen Max grip allows you to grip with the hands facing each other (like their marketing suggests). Very helpful for aligning the face at address and being able to make a stroke that starts the ball on line. The colours and graphics aren’t to my liking, but the performance benefits of the unique grip design help my putting. The price and manufacturing quality of the Max grip is comparable with other premium brands like Superstroke, Bettinardi, and P2 so I would recommend trying it out for yourself.

If you're after accessible and expert advice on equipment and fittings, the TXG Youtube channel would be my first stop. If you go back through their videos, there is pretty much a video on any equipment topic you could want.

Here's a great drill.

Could be a US terminology thing, but I don't think the technique is any different between a chip and a bump and run; just club selection. If you're interested in short game technique, Rick Shiels had a lesson with Dan Grieve that goes through a lot of good technique advice. In the end, to become a consistently good player you will need to be able to play short shots with your wedges decently well. Best general short game advice I got given (I was lucky enough to work alongside Geoff Ogilvy for a bit): Never carry the ball further or higher than you need to. It just adds unnecessary difficulty and unpredictability. Nearly all of my shots around the green I intend to land it about 1m on the green. I choose the club that should then roll out to the hole (obviously it doesn't always). That requires some time and practicing good technique so that you have a consistent strike to enable you to land the ball on your intended spot, and to get the roll-out to be accurately predictable. I would recommend looking up the rule of 12 to get you started with predicting roll out. But after a bit of practice you will adjust (I typically use rule of 11 as my starting point). So for a 10m shot with a bunker in the way I would use a higher lofted wedge out of necessity. 10m shot with no bunker, might be something more like a 7 or 8 iron. P.S. I spoke to Geoff about his chip on 18 at the 2006 US Open. The only option he had that wouldn't have the severe unpredictability of that slope was to play a spinning shot left of the hole. He had no intention of getting it really close to the hole because there was much more flat area to work with by starting it left. You can leave yourself in a spot where you have no realistic way of getting it really close to the hole. Perhaps get it to 6 feet, make a putt, and win a US Open.

Mowing like that increases the amount of fuel used. It's not a trivial amount and would end up in higher fees for players.

Can't argue with discounts

I know this is a strong opinion and there are others who don't share it, but I wouldn't go anywhere near Arccos products. My experience: Quality can't be a high priority as I had 15 sensors fail within 6 months. Sure they replaced them, but when it gets to that level of defect questions should be asked. It's a terrible experience when you pay for a product and most of the time you don't have a full set because of faults. Functionality of the sensors leaves a lot to be desired. Even following their instructions to the letter, regularly consulting their support services, and trying four devices, the number of missed shots was diabolical. Typically more than half. They make you jump through way more hoops to cancel your subscription than to sign up. I'm a firm believer it should be the same effort to cancel as signing up. If you can try out a subscription without putting in too much money, it could be worth trying. I would advise extreme caution before investing larger sums buying devices specifically for using Arccos stuff.

Played my first on-course round with the Max installed. Didn't take any photos because it's the Saturday competition and you don't want to be doing anything seen to be slowing play. Plus I'm there to socialise. Some notes: Was starting my ball on line on every putt. Didn't miss inside 3 metres for the day and wouldn't have missed a putt (left-right) by more than 10cm. The grip is now 0/1 on eagle putts but I left a tap-in birdie. One of the guys I played with had a go after the round and subsequently ordered one online. He struggles with starting his ball on line and adjusts a lot with his hands mid-stroke. Garsen marketing - add 1 to the sales generated by this test. On the whole, I am still very satisfied with how the grip is performing.

I got my Max installed on my putter and from some practice strokes it seems promising. Elaboration to come.

Some first impressions: Like others have said, Garsen claim the Max grip puts you into a more "Biomechanically efficient position". Holding onto the Max without it being on a club yet, there is a difference in how my hands fit onto the club. Like their claims, the palms seem to be facing each other. One key I think of is how Steve Stricker emphasises releasing the toe in the follow through. When I putt poorly, my tendency is to hold the face square to the target line as long as possible. Without the feel of the clubhead there, it seems like the MAX grip would help with this. My putter is getting the grip put on today, so will get into some putting very soon. About all of the grips: The materials feel nice. Nothing unusual about them but they don’t feel cheap or low quality. There is some visible flash on the moulded grip ends. It has zero impact on your putting but this might be an issue for some purchasers who are very particular with presentation. Although not my main product, the Ultimate has the option of green. I used a grey card to get the colour as accurate as possible. I don’t think it’s quite as bright in real life in comparison to the website photo (it looks like that’s been shot with proper studio lights). It’s an option that is different to the rest of the range. The Ultimate is longer than the other grips and my Superstroke grip too. This wouldn’t be an accident, but I don't know Garsen's reasoning for it. There is an option to get a 15” version of the Max. Perhaps this is Garsen's product offering for the strategy Viktor Hovland and Cameron Champ take with their putters.

I haven't tried them, but you should do a review pointing out all of the features you like in the Unofficial Reviews section. I'm sure other forum members would appreciate it.

Just posted my introduction. I also got my grips in the mail so will be getting the Max installed this week and will share my first impressions soon.

Hello to all of the MGS Forum members, I’m Michael and have previously tested the Puttout training set a couple of years ago. I have been playing golf since 1998 but up until 5 years ago, it was quite casually but then I decided to join a course. Ever since it has been a round per week on average but then some vacation periods I spend more time at the course than some of the staff. I am a member at Werribee Park Golf Club which is about 30km to the south-west of Melbourne. My most recent purchase was a set of iron covers because my golf cart is a bit jumpy getting around the course. They’ve stopped the obscene clattering that was driving me mad. I just have to convince every other member to make the change so the course can be a lot more peaceful. With testing and reviewing, I’m going to keep it simple – is it aiding my putting stroke? I think there are two elements to a putting stroke; start line and distance control. I will also test to see how the grip stands up to marsupial mucus. I am realistic that a grip isn’t likely to have a gigantic impact on my putting stroke (maybe I'll be surprised) but if I can see improvements in these two areas, then it’s a winner. I regularly use the challenges in the Wellputt app and I have the Puttout trainer from a previous test so will use those extensively. With the Max grip, having a ridge on the front of the grip is something I have never tried so I’m looking forward to seeing how it goes. Seems like it could help keep the face under control. I got my grips in the mail about a day ago and am working through my first impressions, so fire away with any early questions. Final Review (11th June, 2023) Aesthetics (5 out of 10) I don’t think aesthetics are brilliant, but they’re not horrendous either. From an internet search, I couldn’t find a putter grip from a known brand that I completely liked the look of. The only one that didn’t have an over the top design was the Lamkin Deep-Etched. In the end, the grip spends most of its time inside my golf bag. If it’s a design I don’t like the look of, but the grip performs brilliantly, I can live with it. The Garsen Max comes in generic colour options. They offer combinations of black, white, red, and blue. It would be a difficult balancing act for a company to keep the number of options for their grips manageable to control cost, visually differentiate between their product offerings whilst also pleasing as many customers as possible. I’m not a fan of the chevron pattern. My taste is typically towards elegant and minimalist, so the pattern isn’t for me. A single colour with a mild texture would be my preference; similar to the Quad Tour and the Ultimate models. Logo and type size – They’re too big. It seems to be on-trend in the golf world to have large logos, but I’m not a fan. With any branding, I'm more into a whispered secrets kind of vibe. The Fit and Feel (20 out of 20) The ridge down the front of the grip gives excellent indication of face alignment. I usually use the back edge of my self-made putting trainer to ensure I address with the face square. With the Max grip it is a lot easier to align the face square so I am spending less time during practice ensuring that the face is square at address. Maybe I could spend that time giving the trainer a wipe. Garsen claims the Max grip positions your hands so that the palms face each other, and they certainly do. I find that when I am putting poorly I “hold onto” the face and don’t let the toe release over. This gives an inconsistent roll and I am thinking more about guiding the ball on line instead of hitting the ball to my intended spot. With the palms facing each other and parallel to the face, I find it much easier to have a nice stroke with the toe releasing without having to consciously rehearse the toe releasing. Many times I practiced with this grip I could put my trainer on the most difficult setting and putt the first putt straight through. I could never do that with my previous Superstroke. The grip is a nice diameter for my liking. It’s similar in diameter to the previous SuperStroke that I had. On The Course (20 out of 20) I deliberately didn’t set out to use extensive statistics for reviewing. I prefer to just play golf than worry about apps during my rounds, I don’t have any statistical history to draw from, and I would only have one putter during the review period so didn’t go that way. Some insights I do have: In my rounds since having the grip installed (3 of them), I have not missed a putt inside 2m. Small samples and many that were less than 50cm (so were incredibly likely makes anyway), but I think making some good par saves from close to 2 metres in itself would be worth using a Max grip. I cannot think of any putts from my rounds where I noticeably started my ball off my intended line. I would typically do this at least a few times a round previously, so this was a positive from the Garsen Max. I have a friend who noticed the grip while we were playing. He struggles greatly on short putts from not being able to confidently align the face. After trying out my putter after the round, he decided to buy a Max grip for his putter because the ridge on the front gave him a feel where the face is, rather than relying solely on his eyes. The Good, the bad, the inbetween (20 out of 20) Good: My favourite part of this product is the unique front profile. Aligns the hands facing each other and helps with aligning the face square to the target. Inbetween: The grips came loose in a generic, plastic postbag. If Garsen wanted to differentiate themselves from other brands, they might think about upgrading the unpacking experience for grips ordered online. In golf shops they would be out on display for trialling, but the online unpacking experience could be used as a differentiator. Bad: I’m not thrilled by the colour and design. There is some mould flash on the plastic ends that could be an issue for some (photos in my first impressions post if you're interested). They’re really the only bad things I can say about the grip, and they’re hardly deal breakers. Play it or Trade it? (20 out of 20) Play it. I don’t see myself using another type of grip anytime soon. Keeps my palms directly opposed to each other and helps me make a good stroke; everything you could want from a grip. Conclusion The design of the Garsen Max grip allows you to grip with the hands facing each other (like their marketing suggests). Very helpful for aligning the face at address and being able to make a stroke that starts the ball on line. The colours and graphics aren’t to my liking, but the performance benefits of the unique grip design help my putting. The price and manufacturing quality of the Max grip is comparable with other premium brands like Superstroke, Bettinardi, and P2 so I would recommend trying it out for yourself. Final Score (95 out of 100)

I have a real soft spot for the Maxfli Revolution from the late 90s, early 2000s. It was still relatively early in the shift to contemporary ball designs so the performance difference to the balls I was playing previously was stark.

An approach I haven't seen mentioned yet that I subscribe to is playing the shot so that it lands about 1 metre onto the green and rolls the rest. Because the greens I play on are normally on the slow side, I use the rule of 11. Here's a video that summarises the approach.

Date 03/29/2023 Course Name Werribee Park Golf Club Gross Score 81 Course Handicap 6 Gross Strokes over/under par 9 Net Score to Par 3 Net Score 75 Net Birdies or better 1 Longest Drive 296

Love Reg Mombasa stuff!

I got bought a stamp of a blue penguin. It would be incredibly rare for someone else to have the same marking.

Something you might think about: When I gapped my clubs, I put a larger gap between my driver and second longest club (for me, a 16° hybrid) so that I could have smaller gaps elsewhere. Reasoning: The hybrid goes about 230m with roll (251 yards). I don't know its carry distance because if I have to carry something that far, likely there is a smarter play. My score will benefit more from having narrower gaps between wedges and short irons, than having a club that can go 240m.

Sounds like professional help is needed. I would recommend finding a coach that uses a launch monitor to be able to show you the deficiencies in your club delivery so that you can have greater understanding of why the ball is behaving the way it is. It has been refreshing having a new pro at our club who is younger and has almost "grown up" with launch monitors being part of his teaching. He has really helped me. Also - time. The best players in the world take years to implement swing improvements. Stick with it.

What were Srixon claiming about their ball? I had a search for an old thread on here but couldn't find it.

I can't submit my answers because Q14 has insufficient possibilities.

High inflation would be playing a role as well. If you're looking to cut spending from your budget, not buying new golf clubs is an easy one.

I've watched all of the episodes and whilst I thought it was OK (especially the Joel Dahmen episode), I don't think MGS forum members are the target audience. My wife and MIL watched it and thoroughly enjoyed it. Not knowing much about the tour and the game at the professional level, what was shown was much more novel to them. The extent of their golf knowledge prior: That's where husband goes on Saturdays for 5 hours. Hit ball into hole - fewest strokes wins.y Amateurs have handicaps - lower means they're a better player. Pretty, green course with pink flowers (Augusta) Tiger and Charlie Woods Phil Mickelson has a hot wife (from a Family Guy cutaway)

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