buckpillar

Awesome job condensing all the information, very informative, thanks for doing it! 

Could this be what we are Testing?
🏌️‍♂️Please check out this article from PGATOUR.com about Billy Horschel and a special ball he is using.... 🏌️‍♂️
Here is the link - https://www.pgatour.com/article/news/equipment-report/2023/11/15/check-out-billy-horschel-recent-iron-changes-and-why-he-uses-a-secret-golf-ball-titleist-620-t100-pro-v1
 
Here is the portion of the article talking about the "secret" ball-
Speaking of his golf ball landing softly on the greens, Horschel also uses a special Titleist prototype golf ball that’s designed to spin a bit more.
“I use a Titleist Pro V1 Plus – it's a secret golf ball,” Horschel said. “This is a golf ball that spins a little higher, launches a little bit higher. It's an updated version of the Pro V1 Star; that was a 2017 model."
As Horschel returns to the PGA TOUR at The RSM Classic, keep an eye on his iron game. If you see the ball cutting toward the target and landing softly near the flagstick, now you know why.
 
What does everyone think?
 

Could this be what we are Testing?
🏌️‍♂️Please check out this article from PGATOUR.com about Billy Horschel and a special ball he is using.... 🏌️‍♂️
Here is the link - https://www.pgatour.com/article/news/equipment-report/2023/11/15/check-out-billy-horschel-recent-iron-changes-and-why-he-uses-a-secret-golf-ball-titleist-620-t100-pro-v1
 
Here is the portion of the article talking about the "secret" ball-
Speaking of his golf ball landing softly on the greens, Horschel also uses a special Titleist prototype golf ball that’s designed to spin a bit more.
“I use a Titleist Pro V1 Plus – it's a secret golf ball,” Horschel said. “This is a golf ball that spins a little higher, launches a little bit higher. It's an updated version of the Pro V1 Star; that was a 2017 model."
As Horschel returns to the PGA TOUR at The RSM Classic, keep an eye on his iron game. If you see the ball cutting toward the target and landing softly near the flagstick, now you know why.
 
What does everyone think?
 

Could this be what we are Testing?
🏌️‍♂️Please check out this article from PGATOUR.com about Billy Horschel and a special ball he is using.... 🏌️‍♂️
Here is the link - https://www.pgatour.com/article/news/equipment-report/2023/11/15/check-out-billy-horschel-recent-iron-changes-and-why-he-uses-a-secret-golf-ball-titleist-620-t100-pro-v1
 
Here is the portion of the article talking about the "secret" ball-
Speaking of his golf ball landing softly on the greens, Horschel also uses a special Titleist prototype golf ball that’s designed to spin a bit more.
“I use a Titleist Pro V1 Plus – it's a secret golf ball,” Horschel said. “This is a golf ball that spins a little higher, launches a little bit higher. It's an updated version of the Pro V1 Star; that was a 2017 model."
As Horschel returns to the PGA TOUR at The RSM Classic, keep an eye on his iron game. If you see the ball cutting toward the target and landing softly near the flagstick, now you know why.
 
What does everyone think?
 

Could this be what we are Testing?
🏌️‍♂️Please check out this article from PGATOUR.com about Billy Horschel and a special ball he is using.... 🏌️‍♂️
Here is the link - https://www.pgatour.com/article/news/equipment-report/2023/11/15/check-out-billy-horschel-recent-iron-changes-and-why-he-uses-a-secret-golf-ball-titleist-620-t100-pro-v1
 
Here is the portion of the article talking about the "secret" ball-
Speaking of his golf ball landing softly on the greens, Horschel also uses a special Titleist prototype golf ball that’s designed to spin a bit more.
“I use a Titleist Pro V1 Plus – it's a secret golf ball,” Horschel said. “This is a golf ball that spins a little higher, launches a little bit higher. It's an updated version of the Pro V1 Star; that was a 2017 model."
As Horschel returns to the PGA TOUR at The RSM Classic, keep an eye on his iron game. If you see the ball cutting toward the target and landing softly near the flagstick, now you know why.
 
What does everyone think?
 

Date 11/15/2023 Course Name Uniontown Country Club Gross Score 77 Course Handicap 6 Gross Strokes over/under par 6 Net Score to Par 0 Net Score 71 Net Birdies or better 2 Longest Drive 244 Final days of good weather up here in the northeast, greens were aeriated and still bumpy. Leaves piling up and fairways soft, had a great day anyway. played with a test ball and still think it out performed the prov1. 

Looks like a Great Day of golf, keep rolling the rock!

Looks like a Great Day of golf, keep rolling the rock!

Awesome job condensing all the information, very informative, thanks for doing it! 

Date 11/13/2023 Course Name Sun City Golf Club White Wing Gross Score 74 Course Handicap 0 Gross Strokes over/under par 2 Net Score to Par 2 Net Score 74 Net Birdies or better 3 Longest Drive 335 Good ball striking day in bad conditions. Putted poorly today!

Rough Summaries from Comments About Backspin
I tried gathering comments people have made about spin, particularly when they have a comparison to another ball or two. These are mostly rough paraphrases, with higher or lower, and the types of shot or club used, with a few quotes thrown in also. Apologies if I missed anyone. I was navigating the forum with the Ctrl-F find working rapidly and scanning quickly so this wouldn't take 5 hours.
It looks like it's all over the map. For reference, here is how many people said it was higher vs lower spin compared to something else. It is not counted in this number if a person said it was roughly the same.
Higher Spin
10 of 18
Lower Spin
8 of 18
Spin summaries:
@Parshooter36 - Higher spin than AVX and Chromesoft, less than Pro V1 with 3/4 wedge shots. Higher spin than AVX and Chromesoft, similar spin as Pro V1 with full 9i.
@Tom the Golf Nut - Higher spin compared to AVX with 9i.
@Javs - "Pitching and chipping: The White Box was very similar to a Titleist AVX. On pitch shots it was a one hop and stop. On chips the ball would grab, but did not spin excessively."
"While I notated the lower spin on this ball, I did not find that there was excessive run out on pitches or chips. My results were more of a one hop and stop."
@Hook DeLoft - Lower spin than Bridgestone B XS around the green.
@MH15 - Higher spin than Bridgestone e6 with Driver and 7i, but same spin with PW.
@taylorjonasher - Higher spin than Pro V1 RCT with 4i. But "greenside spin on the test ball was noticeably less; I could not check it up like the ProV1."
@Ben Joest - "Spin around the greens wasn’t noticeably better or worse"
@Josh Parker - "Shots into the green did a one hop stop or very little backspin."
@funkyjudge - Lower spin than a Maxfli Tour X CG and Pro V1xLeftDash with wedges. Also lower spin (by an even wider gap) with irons and full PW.
@brogies - Higher spin than Pro V1 RCT on every club, especially wedges.
@GolfSpy_BNG - Higher spin than CSXLS with 46 degree wedge and 7i.
@DukeStKing - "Punch shots and knock downs stopped on a dime for me and I got plenty of backspin on approach shots."
@vandyland - Lower spin than both Pro V1 and Kirkland V3 with 7i. In a round, "ball seemed to roll out a little bit more on full shots and pitches but not dramatically so" compared to Pro V1.
@JohnH1 - Higher spin than Pro V1, less than Tour Response, with 7i.
@Randall Robbins - "shorter irons were stopping after a hop and slight roll." "Wedges:  Nice stopping ability"
@Slater - Lower spin than Pro V1 and Pro V1x with 80 yard shots, 140 yard shots, 160 yard shots, 200 yard shots, and driver. "This has more approach and short game spin than previous AVX models, as well as 100-200 more rpm off the driver." "Unfortunately,  it has very little green side stopping power."
@Cfhandyman - "Spin is definitely less" for long shots such as tee and fairway compared to Srixon Z-Star XV. For wedges, "the ball stopped relatively quickly but had a little more roll out than the higher spinning Srixon ball". 
@Prodigal Duffer - "On longer wedge shots, the ball more or less stopped on one hop. On shorter pitches, the ball rolled more than I would expect." (normal gamer ball is Vice Pro)
@buckpillar - "from 100yds in, I was able to control the spin, hit the one hop and stop shot with excellent success"
@d0m41n - Higher spin than OnCore Vero X1 and Maxfli Tour S with driver. Also higher spin with irons and wedges for better stopping.
@ctg44 - "I definitely had a ton more launch height and spin with these than I did with any other ball, including ProV1 and ProV1X, Maxfli Tour (2023 yellow), OnCore Vero X1, and Bridgestone e12 Contact (2023)."
@Peejer - Lower spin with 7i.
@J7Hawkins - Higher spin than Mizuno RB Tour X.
@JackBurtonsPorkchopExpress - Less hold around the greens than Srixon Z-Star XV.
@golfinnut - Lower spin off tee, lower spin on approach compared to Pro V1.
 

Ver nice test and review.  Interesting that the AVX ball spun the most and the test ball had the least spin, best carry and height.

Thank you, had fun doing it, I got a practice green for putting and the short pitch and chip shots.

Thank you, had fun doing it, I got a practice green for putting and the short pitch and chip shots.

Thank you, had fun doing it, I got a practice green for putting and the short pitch and chip shots.

Dimple pattern seemed the same as the PROV1.
The feel off the irons and the putter felt softer, the sound off the irons appear to be the same as the PROV1, but off the putter you could definitely hear the PROTO type ball was softer.
Distance control off the irons was similar with maybe a yard or 2 difference. My 7 iron shots were about the same at 155yds.
I liked the flight of the the PROTO type ball and its workability, I really liked the way the PROTO type ball reacted from 100yds in, I was able to control the spin, hit the one hop and stop shot with excellent success on my back yard 50yard range, also it rolled nice on the green.
I played 9 holes with the PROTO type ball and the cover was still like new.
I performed 2 indoor test, 1- the salt water test that would tell you if the balance of the ball was off center, all 3 balls were perfectly balanced. 2- I completed a drop test onto a ceramic floor comparing the PROV1 and PROTO type ball, 5 test were completed on each, PROTO type ball averaged approximately 1 inch higher than the PROV1. Overall I would prefer the NEW PROTO type ball over the PROV1, as it just felt better overall and seemed to perform a little better especially from 100yds and in.
Thank you to MGS and Titleist for letting me be part of your testing of the new ball and hope I can get a couple dozen prior to the new season starting.
The wedge video was on my back yard range with a Taylormade milled Grind 50* 8 bounce wedge with the face opened slightly. The Par 3 hole video was a 6iron from 169yds, left it out to the right a bit but still found the green.
My par 3 hole at the Uniontown CC would not fully load and gave an error.  Copy and paste into your browser.
Here is a link to the Par 3 hole --  https://photos.google.com/album/AF1QipO8d8cFRtvWE7vteORoordfjujwrfCuU9xkSShc/photo/AF1QipOROL0I_sXc-o9oO_pvXot4-8UTU8CqbimIAAtD
 

20180905_102319~2.mp4 Wedge 1 hope stop.mp4

Dimple pattern seemed the same as the PROV1.
The feel off the irons and the putter felt softer, the sound off the irons appear to be the same as the PROV1, but off the putter you could definitely hear the PROTO type ball was softer.
Distance control off the irons was similar with maybe a yard or 2 difference. My 7 iron shots were about the same at 155yds.
I liked the flight of the the PROTO type ball and its workability, I really liked the way the PROTO type ball reacted from 100yds in, I was able to control the spin, hit the one hop and stop shot with excellent success on my back yard 50yard range, also it rolled nice on the green.
I played 9 holes with the PROTO type ball and the cover was still like new.
I performed 2 indoor test, 1- the salt water test that would tell you if the balance of the ball was off center, all 3 balls were perfectly balanced. 2- I completed a drop test onto a ceramic floor comparing the PROV1 and PROTO type ball, 5 test were completed on each, PROTO type ball averaged approximately 1 inch higher than the PROV1. Overall I would prefer the NEW PROTO type ball over the PROV1, as it just felt better overall and seemed to perform a little better especially from 100yds and in.
Thank you to MGS and Titleist for letting me be part of your testing of the new ball and hope I can get a couple dozen prior to the new season starting.
The wedge video was on my back yard range with a Taylormade milled Grind 50* 8 bounce wedge with the face opened slightly. The Par 3 hole video was a 6iron from 169yds, left it out to the right a bit but still found the green.
My par 3 hole at the Uniontown CC would not fully load and gave an error.  Copy and paste into your browser.
Here is a link to the Par 3 hole --  https://photos.google.com/album/AF1QipO8d8cFRtvWE7vteORoordfjujwrfCuU9xkSShc/photo/AF1QipOROL0I_sXc-o9oO_pvXot4-8UTU8CqbimIAAtD
 

20180905_102319~2.mp4 Wedge 1 hope stop.mp4

Dimple pattern seemed the same as the PROV1.
The feel off the irons and the putter felt softer, the sound off the irons appear to be the same as the PROV1, but off the putter you could definitely hear the PROTO type ball was softer.
Distance control off the irons was similar with maybe a yard or 2 difference. My 7 iron shots were about the same at 155yds.
I liked the flight of the the PROTO type ball and its workability, I really liked the way the PROTO type ball reacted from 100yds in, I was able to control the spin, hit the one hop and stop shot with excellent success on my back yard 50yard range, also it rolled nice on the green.
I played 9 holes with the PROTO type ball and the cover was still like new.
I performed 2 indoor test, 1- the salt water test that would tell you if the balance of the ball was off center, all 3 balls were perfectly balanced. 2- I completed a drop test onto a ceramic floor comparing the PROV1 and PROTO type ball, 5 test were completed on each, PROTO type ball averaged approximately 1 inch higher than the PROV1. Overall I would prefer the NEW PROTO type ball over the PROV1, as it just felt better overall and seemed to perform a little better especially from 100yds and in.
Thank you to MGS and Titleist for letting me be part of your testing of the new ball and hope I can get a couple dozen prior to the new season starting.
The wedge video was on my back yard range with a Taylormade milled Grind 50* 8 bounce wedge with the face opened slightly. The Par 3 hole video was a 6iron from 169yds, left it out to the right a bit but still found the green.
My par 3 hole at the Uniontown CC would not fully load and gave an error.  Copy and paste into your browser.
Here is a link to the Par 3 hole --  https://photos.google.com/album/AF1QipO8d8cFRtvWE7vteORoordfjujwrfCuU9xkSShc/photo/AF1QipOROL0I_sXc-o9oO_pvXot4-8UTU8CqbimIAAtD
 

20180905_102319~2.mp4 Wedge 1 hope stop.mp4

Dimple pattern seemed the same as the PROV1.
The feel off the irons and the putter felt softer, the sound off the irons appear to be the same as the PROV1, but off the putter you could definitely hear the PROTO type ball was softer.
Distance control off the irons was similar with maybe a yard or 2 difference. My 7 iron shots were about the same at 155yds.
I liked the flight of the the PROTO type ball and its workability, I really liked the way the PROTO type ball reacted from 100yds in, I was able to control the spin, hit the one hop and stop shot with excellent success on my back yard 50yard range, also it rolled nice on the green.
I played 9 holes with the PROTO type ball and the cover was still like new.
I performed 2 indoor test, 1- the salt water test that would tell you if the balance of the ball was off center, all 3 balls were perfectly balanced. 2- I completed a drop test onto a ceramic floor comparing the PROV1 and PROTO type ball, 5 test were completed on each, PROTO type ball averaged approximately 1 inch higher than the PROV1. Overall I would prefer the NEW PROTO type ball over the PROV1, as it just felt better overall and seemed to perform a little better especially from 100yds and in.
Thank you to MGS and Titleist for letting me be part of your testing of the new ball and hope I can get a couple dozen prior to the new season starting.
The wedge video was on my back yard range with a Taylormade milled Grind 50* 8 bounce wedge with the face opened slightly. The Par 3 hole video was a 6iron from 169yds, left it out to the right a bit but still found the green.
My par 3 hole at the Uniontown CC would not fully load and gave an error.  Copy and paste into your browser.
Here is a link to the Par 3 hole --  https://photos.google.com/album/AF1QipO8d8cFRtvWE7vteORoordfjujwrfCuU9xkSShc/photo/AF1QipOROL0I_sXc-o9oO_pvXot4-8UTU8CqbimIAAtD
 

20180905_102319~2.mp4 Wedge 1 hope stop.mp4

Dimple pattern seemed the same as the PROV1.
The feel off the irons and the putter felt softer, the sound off the irons appear to be the same as the PROV1, but off the putter you could definitely hear the PROTO type ball was softer.
Distance control off the irons was similar with maybe a yard or 2 difference. My 7 iron shots were about the same at 155yds.
I liked the flight of the the PROTO type ball and its workability, I really liked the way the PROTO type ball reacted from 100yds in, I was able to control the spin, hit the one hop and stop shot with excellent success on my back yard 50yard range, also it rolled nice on the green.
I played 9 holes with the PROTO type ball and the cover was still like new.
I performed 2 indoor test, 1- the salt water test that would tell you if the balance of the ball was off center, all 3 balls were perfectly balanced. 2- I completed a drop test onto a ceramic floor comparing the PROV1 and PROTO type ball, 5 test were completed on each, PROTO type ball averaged approximately 1 inch higher than the PROV1. Overall I would prefer the NEW PROTO type ball over the PROV1, as it just felt better overall and seemed to perform a little better especially from 100yds and in.
Thank you to MGS and Titleist for letting me be part of your testing of the new ball and hope I can get a couple dozen prior to the new season starting.
The wedge video was on my back yard range with a Taylormade milled Grind 50* 8 bounce wedge with the face opened slightly. The Par 3 hole video was a 6iron from 169yds, left it out to the right a bit but still found the green.
My par 3 hole at the Uniontown CC would not fully load and gave an error.  Copy and paste into your browser.
Here is a link to the Par 3 hole --  https://photos.google.com/album/AF1QipO8d8cFRtvWE7vteORoordfjujwrfCuU9xkSShc/photo/AF1QipOROL0I_sXc-o9oO_pvXot4-8UTU8CqbimIAAtD
 

20180905_102319~2.mp4 Wedge 1 hope stop.mp4

You have to drill a hole under the hosel big enough to get a center punch through to knock the bearing towards the grip then apply some heat to soften the glue, remove the shaft.

Date 10/30/2023 Course Name Harbor Town Golf Links Gross Score 73 Course Handicap 0 Gross Strokes over/under par 2 Net Score to Par 2 Net Score 73 Net Birdies or better 6 Longest Drive 290 SIM Round SIM ROUND I am posting the initial virtual round in the VCT. As mentioned in the recap, we are now accepting virtual rounds in the VCT. 

I played Harbor Town virtually at the Top Tracer Range, I was 7 over after 12 holes when I caught fire and rattled off 5 birdies in a row and a par to finish 2 over 73. Not a bad virtual round at all. 

I've been playing my Taylormade Sim 2 Max at the stock 45 1/2 length, I was able to hit it well yet would spray the drives. I decided to cut it down from 45 1/2 inches to 44 1/4, What a difference, I gained approximately gain about 2 yds and the spraying has subsided.
I'm making better contact now and have become more consistent.
Has anyone experienced the same success? What has your results by going to a shorter or even a longer shaft in your driver? 

Date 10/09/2023 Course Name Mt Summit Golf Course Gross Score 69 Course Handicap 4 Gross Strokes over/under par -1 Net Score to Par -5 Net Score 65 Net Birdies or better 7 Longest Drive 248 Getting back at it, been away for a few weeks, SUV blew up and was having a hard time finding a good deal on a newused car. Anyway felt good playing instead of hitting into my net, greens had been rolling well after aeration. made some good recoveries and also a few bad shots. A good day over all. 

Date 10/09/2023 Course Name Mt Summit Golf Course Gross Score 69 Course Handicap 4 Gross Strokes over/under par -1 Net Score to Par -5 Net Score 65 Net Birdies or better 7 Longest Drive 248 Getting back at it, been away for a few weeks, SUV blew up and was having a hard time finding a good deal on a newused car. Anyway felt good playing instead of hitting into my net, greens had been rolling well after aeration. made some good recoveries and also a few bad shots. A good day over all.