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1 hour ago, Rbenefield said:
With my current gamer, I had an impromptu lie/loft adjustment on my foot after a few poor passes at the ball one round. Since then, it has become one of my most trusted clubs in my bag. It now specs out at 2° loft, 76° lie, and 34”. I’m consistently gaining strokes vs my hcp via Arccos. Not sure if a basic putter fitting would have ever put me into those numbers but they have worked great for me.
what do you mean you had an impromptu adjustment on your "foot"? Me confused. A typo? Glad your game went better.
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On 4/22/2024 at 4:29 PM, cksurfdude said:
Just tried this out .. very uncomfortable for me... But I'll keep testing it at home from time to time, see if there's any improvement / noticeable change in stroke for me.
Have you been giving practice time to xhand? It takes a while, and you might have to switch putter too. I am lucky living in S Diego, I now have 5, yes 5, Golfmart stores with plenty of used putters to try, and several Dicks where I can try the big 4 brands. I had the time, to try lots of sticks and be my own fitter. I had a good older Scotty, but wanted less weight out on the wings, and I found an Odyssey "R Ball", which I never heard of or saw before. It is similar to the 2 ball. I don't even like the sound or feel at impact that much, but I LOVE the 2 foot lag from 30 or 40 feet.
- Rob Person and cksurfdude
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4 hours ago, dwestenk said:
Same question I had reading through these posts. There is a lot of "I believe," "I feel," and "I think," but very,very little data...
I have too many interruptions to give you any stat too, but, I LOVE putting cross handed. I wrote a guide how to switch, in Member Comm General Q&A, if you are interested. At minimum, it it great for longer distances and almost lagging always within 3 feet, so no 3 putts unless you blow a 3 footer/ Step by step guide to putt cross handed.
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2 hours ago, Gdog007 said:
I cringe at the thought of spending more than $200 on a putter. It’s probably an old mentality, but how much of a difference can technology really make when it comes to putting?
If you want a little help, take a look at my thread in Member Communitys General Q&A, "step by step guide to putt cross handed". I strongly believe in using any face balanced putter and going xhand.
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8 hours ago, paul6057 said:
If someone could demonstrate that a new putter was materially better than my existing putter in terms of performance, then I'd put the cost / benefit alongside drivers. The trouble with that is that fitting a putter doesn't really give you any idea of how you'll get on with that putter on a course, whereas with a driver or other irons, your shots on a simulator indoors or on a range outdoors are going to give you a very good idea of how that club is going to feel and perform on a course.
I posted in Member Community General Q&A Step by step guide to putt cross handed. Take a look at it. I spent a lot of time, started when Spieth was hot in 2015. I can't brag about stats (too many full-swing physical challenges) but my 3 putts are virtually gone.
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9 hours ago, EugeGall said:
Hey I love putters, and buy them for fun, but that’s usually because I blame the tool and not “the tool” using it so now got too many. Now there are some insane dollars being dropped by some after going through this thread, however if you have the cash your call, why not. For me I’d say my top limit would be $500 at a push and then it has to putt for me.
I’m now going to (try) stick with my current and just work on technique.You might look for my thread Step by step guide to putt cross handed. I spent a lot of time since Spieth in 2015, to switch to xhand. Matt Fitz is among many who go xhand. Face balanced, front (low) hand index finger on the shaft pointing down.
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I went shopping for one. Found a 21 deg 5 wood that works for me. I have a 5 fwy hybrid that is prob 25 deg. So I have 2 clubs similar, one longer shaft, one shorter and higher loft.
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SUCCESS. I started a diff. thread when I had the surg. On Feb. 28 2024. SUCCESS. Back to the driving range after 6 weeks, and going to play 1st round on May 3, 9 weeks. I lost 2 weeks, I aggravated a previous shoulder tsouris. 3 successful arthritis surgeries at Scripps Clinics San Diego. Their HQ? Torrey Pines, overlooking the golf course. So of course they are good at fixing our limbs.
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Thanks to all for support. I lost 2 weeks with a recur of shoulder pain, but am on the schedule to play 1st round on May 3, 9 weeks after SUCCESSFUL toe fusion. I didn't do any exercise during the 6 weeks post surgery, then jumped back into weights too strongly at first, thus lost 2 weeks with mild shoulder pain. The toe still hurts when I walk on paved surface, at the cut site, not the joint, it is still healing, and I am happy as a Monday qualifier.
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On 4/10/2024 at 7:50 AM, Timothy R. said:
I hope that your recovery goes well. I know that it can be tiresome having to wear a boot for any length of time.
For those of us who end up with foot issues just as we hit the wonder years (i.e., retirement), good orthotics can be a godsend. I've added these carbon fiber inserts to the mix with really good results. They stiffen whatever shoe you're wearing and help reduce the stress on your foot joints. I've used them over the past 10-15 years and they were well worth the investment -- about the price of a new wedge. Perhaps they would make for a good product to test by MyGolfSpy members.
I have Ecco arch supports. Post surgery for arthritis they are great. About 7 inches long, euro sizes, I wear a 10 shoe, a 42 Ecco. Even after the leather cover wears out, the thing works like new.
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You shoot par golf and you are asking people you never met? How did you get to par without us?
Seriously, find whatever shafts love you. Everything else falls into place. I play like crap, age and scoliosis/arthritis injuries. But I'm thinking of putting a new design 3w head onto a 12 yr old Radix Matrix shafted Adams 3w because the shaft loves me. (Speedline LP, lo profile, for fairway use).
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I live near Golf Club Nirvana, Carlsbad, CA, hq to almost everybody except Ping. I went for a short trial hitting Indi Golf (King of Spin) wedges. I love my Mizuno grain flow forged (GFF) wedges, but will give Indi 1st shot at replacing them when they wear. I suggest you go to their website, read up, and see what you think. They are a DTC, I think, web site name is indigolfclubs. They customize to your desire.
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$400. Unless the stock market goes well, but I have other toys in mind (Quad electrostatic speakers) for my stock market gains. I found a keeper a few months ago, for $90, Odyssey "R" Ball, near mint condition, about 3 yrs old. I am going to try fitting at Sacks Parente later in the year tho. I like their idea of lowering the center of gravity of the club as low as possible. I bet that it reduces the tendency to twist to a theoretical minimum. And they are not rookies, they are experienced guys who went on their own, like many or most small brands. I have found that new balls, shafts, etc. are mostly private spin offs by people who know what they are doing.
- J.B. TexasEx and TJ Hall
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On 4/29/2024 at 12:41 PM, mscall said:
Hi Everyone,
I have recently bought a set of one length irons (2022 Cobra King Tech). My normal set of irons has 130g shafts, plays D3 swing weight and are X-stiff. The one lengths are stiff, 115g shafts, and play at a D2 swing weight. I need to reshaft the one length clubs and have run into a lot of question here. Are they all a 7iron shaft or do you get shafts meant for AW-4iron and length or shorten at the butt side of the shaft? Thanks for your help in advance. Eventually I do want to make sure I get the one lengths up to D3 or D4 but I think that can be done by adding weight tips in the shafts when I install them.
Thanks.
can o worms. recently bot the 1 length set and now need to re-shaft????
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If you like to experiment, then buy a small set and add clubs higher and lower lofts. If you don't want to tinker, don't want to learn details of various equipment, how old, etc., then buy the Edge set. I used to go to thrift stores a lot, if I find a club or even a set, buy it, try it, give it away to a school if it doesn;t work for me. Eventually I got fitted for a 8-9-W. I liked them so much I added the 6 and 7. But do you really know are you reg flex or not? never buy stiff if you know you do well with reg. there are tons of deals in whatever is the right flex for you. until you learn more about shaft flexes. Callaway pre owned is a great place.
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On 2/28/2024 at 11:45 AM, HighFade said:
For me, it has more to do with putts inside 10 feet. I am an abysmal putter. I have been doing a lot of practice with 6 footers and I miss the hole completely - won't even catch the edge. But after reading a ton of articles, and watching a million YouTube videos on putting, I found out I am cross-eye dominant (I am right-handed, but left eye dominant). I moved the ball a little further up in my stance, and I close my right eye when lining up the putt, and I even keep it closed while putting. Dead straight into the heart every time.
I posted a new thread Step by step guide to putt cross handed. take a look.
Grip pressure has to be enough to not let the shaft twist in your hands. Not necessarily a light grip.
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I just posted a new thread, my step by step guide to cross handed putting. In Member Community General Q&A. I put a bit of time into writing down my switch and what I think works. I hope a few of you find it helpful. I now use and Odyssey "R" Ball with the Stroke Lab steel and graphite shaft.
- Rob Person, cksurfdude and TJ Hall
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FYI I just posted a new thread in Member Community General Q&A: A Step by Step guide to cross handed putting. I put a lot of time into how I made the switch and my opinions on the subject. I hope some who have putting issues find it helpful.
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Here is my step by step guide on going to cross handed putting. I switched after Jordan Spieth was on the front page of Golf Magazine January 2015 with "Go Low, 5 Secrets . . ". It took a while to put my technique together.
WARNING: Prepare to spend a lot of time adjusting to the switch. And don't practice once your mind wanders. 45 minutes to an hour is a lot of putting. No tees, guides, gates needed, at least for me. I don't use any.
1. I use a face balanced putter and I TRY to go straight, very small arc. I had a putter I liked (A Dave Musty hand made wood mallet) but when I switched, I realized I had to switch to face balanced. Face balanced creates the least amount of arc possible. A lot of unbalanced, with Toe Hang is OK for traditional style stroke with more arc but lots of people have problems and there are hundreds of slightly different Scotty Newport/Ping Anser style putters. Trying to match the weight and the degree of unbalance to match your stroke on any given day is an eternal guessing game, right? Weight in the toe makes the putter swivel. Let's not. Remove that part of the equation. All Face Balanced are Face Balanced, FB. Fewer variables to deal with. A nearly straight stroke for me eliminates practice using gates, mirror, etc. I got a 2015 vintage Scotty Futura X FB with double counter weight curved flying wing. Nice, but I realized in time I liked a triangle shape better. The triangle is more stable than wings or fangs or even Spyder, IMOH. I now have a 2019 Odyssey, Stroke Lab shaft (2 piece, graphite and steel) "R" ball. I rarely see it. Similar to the common 2 ball style. Mine has the white and metal Micro-hinge face insert. I also had a Kmart Precise fang and as soon as I put a fat grip on it it worked great.
2. I think crossx lets me stand more directly over the ball or line of roll. Always a good thing. Eliminate all that eye alignment coaching and fidgeting.
3. How do I actually grip it? Finding what exactly to do with my front-left-low hand, took a while. Claw? Overlap? I ended up this way: I put the left hand index finger on the shaft, yes, facing forward, pointing down, with the other 3 fingers and thumb around the bottom of the grip, very conventional slight overlap. This index finger creates sensory feedback, am I twisting the shaft or keeping it moving straight. I grip the right hand like a regular club, the thumb is flexed, not extended straight. The index finger? Trigger. Just like any club. The trigger adds to ability to control the club. Grip the hand tight enough to minimize twisting, I do not tighten the arms or shoulders. Loose, relaxed, is good.
4. Big fat grip is very important to stop wrist from twisting. I discovered this later, in 2022. I thought the big grip thing was an ego trip. It is not. Pick your own.
5. I don't fidget a lot with my feet, the opposite of Patrick Cantlay. I can actually putt pretty well no matter where I put my feet. We putt with our eyes and only move our shoulder muscles. I don't need to align all my 206 bones or 600-800 muscles. I don't need 30 seconds to hit the ball, I know where I want to hit it, and I am CONFIDENT. Once I do my read, I get in position and it only take a few seconds to grip and mentally calculate speed/distance. Practice.
6. I try to follow thru on my putt stroke just like a partial swing, I often bring it all the way up to shoulder level. It trains you to move smoothly just like any partial swing shot.
I wish I had stats to give you. But I have few full rounds of play recently. I am 69, have arthritis, curved spine, health stuff. I worked full time til December 2023, just a few months ago. I have had 5 surgery or injury stoppages in the last 3 years (knee replacement, thumb arthritis, big toe arthritis surgeries, all successful, Scripps Clinic in San Diego/Torrey Pines). I worked 6 days a week during the virus 2020. On the other hand, I live in San Diego area 2 miles from a lighted range open til 9:00 363 days a year with a real green, so I practice putting a lot. A lot. My style is very similar to lefty Brian Harman, but in the mirror. Xander Schauffle, Billy Horschel and Matt Fitzpatrick putt crossx Fitz even chips crossx sometimes. Mike Bury has a very good you tube. I don't have any guide to reading the green to share with you, I don't plumb, I don't feel with my feet. Oh, 1 guide: take off your sunglasses, no matter how good they are, even prescription, to get the truest read.
I have done a lot of sampling in my local stores. There are excellent FB putters from Ping, Cobra, Cleveland, and Evnroll. Spyders come in hang and FB versions and are maybe my 2nd choice, especially on shorter putts. PXG makes all theirs to either hang or balance based on which shaft is connected. I might spring the $$ for a fitting at Evnroll or a Sacks Parente fitter. I will repeat that I think an arrow shape, a triangle, probably has a bigger sweet spot and is thus more stable, more resistant to tiny twisting. But any mallett and grip might be your ticket. Shaft length and lie are based on your physique as usual, and loft varies little, depending on what the designer builds in to the putter. Same with the face material and design. Your choice is your choice.
- Rob Person, zstokes, Northern Monkey and 1 other
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3 minutes ago, cksurfdude said:
Do you know... is that for all putts, or usually just short putts, or __?? Thx
Long and short. I never see a combo. But Matt Fitzpatrick putts and sometimes chips cross. For me, the longer the putt, the better I like cross handed. Short putts are where I need the right comfort level of size, weight, grip to make a straight hit, no twist. For some reason I find it easier to hit longer putts , maybe it is more head speed keeps the inertia of the putter going straight , where as on a short putt, there is less energy moving forward, so it is easier for a small unwantd wrist mvmt to ruin the putt.
- cksurfdude and Rob Person
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An old quote: My two best shots are the practice swing and the conceded putt.
Mine is a tossup between the new Odyssey "R" Ball putter, and the trusty blue Mizuno S18 GFF wedge, 52 x 9.
My worst shot is cortisone, again, into the left shoulder acromio-clavicular joint. I inherited scoliosis and kyphosis (forward protruding neck).
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a little, more for new drivers on the market. Mickey Wright is the best swing though, and I think there is only 1 short "film" of her. Even tho our equip is more powerful, her mastery of the swing is tops. Very few of us can swing out of our toes, like Justin Thomas, Scottie, Tiger, Bryson, or Lexi Thompson. Any reader here might, maybe, know 1 personally.
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9 hours ago, unccross said:
I just read the mygolfspy article on this putter from an email I received this morning. I had never really heard about counter balanced puttters, but had me intrigued! My putting is so bad, I’m looking for any help I can get!
Try cross handed with a face balanced putter. Spyder type, fang type, you choose, but find a face bal you like, spend a few hours practicing. Look at left Brian Harman, or the LPGA rookie winner last October Hae Ran Ryu. A fat grip helps. I place my front (left) hand almost totally below the right hand, index finger on the shaft. Mt right index finger and thumb barely touch the pad of my left palm. I think Billy Horschel does also. I see more pros, men & women, on TV like this.
- unccross and cksurfdude
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1 minute ago, ILMgolfnut said:
Seems to be working rather well for him.
Before the beard, he reminded me of Alley Oop, the old caveman comic strip. The beard hides his chin. I hate how good he is and the foot shuffle. Now that he can putt, I expect he will be rich enough in a few years to buy a Texas baseball, NFL, or NBA team. Or maybe PBR (Professional Bull riding, rodeo). Then, when he is in his 40s or 50s, governor of Texas. Nobody could beat him.
What Is The Most You Would Pay For A Putter?
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Because a putter is , or used to be, a very simple club to make. You don't need a computer to design one. Maybe a slide rule.