Javs Posted April 2, 2023 Share Posted April 2, 2023 Found an interesting article on putter models and winners at Majors. What do you think? Myself I don’t think it matters on the model as much as putting the ball on the correct part of the green and then making it. https://golf.com/gear/predict-major-winners-putter-style-masters/?utm_campaign=PANTHEON_STRIPPED&utm_source=PANTHEON_STRIPPED&utm_medium=PANTHEON_STRIPPED&utm_content=PANTHEON_STRIPPED&utm_term=PANTHEON_STRIPPED&=1 Quote Play like a champion today! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CFreddie Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 Interesting article - would be interesting to see how putting performance changed when switching between blade and mallet (or if it’s truly just a personal pref). Javs 1 Quote Cobra 50th Anniversary Member Special Challenge/Testing Bag (Link Here) Driver: Paradym with Ventus TR Blue 60 Stiff Fairways: Aerojet Max 3W & 7W with Hzrdus Smoke Blue RDX 70 Stiff Hybrid: King TEC 5H with KBS PGI 95 Stiff Irons: Forged TEC 5-GW with KBS Tour Lite Stiff Wedges: Jaws Raw Plasma 54 & 58 Putter: Phantom X 5.5 Ball: 2023 Maxfli Tour Other Reviews: Callaway Paradym Titleist White Box Testing (2023) Scotty Cameron Phantom X 5.5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Javs Posted April 3, 2023 Author Share Posted April 3, 2023 21 minutes ago, CFreddie said: Interesting article - would be interesting to see how putting performance changed when switching between blade and mallet (or if it’s truly just a personal pref). Agree! Quote Play like a champion today! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swood1994 Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 I listened to a couple podcasts I believe the one that stood out was Keegan Bradley and he was talking about how he's switching from his longer "belly" putter to a regular blade going into Augusta. His reasoning was that Augusta requires precise putting from far off the green due to the tight lies and that he loses the feel and being able to "pop" the ball with the longer putter. That take coupled with Rory moving back to his trusty Scotty 009 that he had a great stretch with, I think, points to some truth about the heavier bladed putters performing better on Major level greens. Javs 1 Quote Current WITB: Driver: Paradym 10.5 Ventus Black 6S Fairway: ST-Z 230 3-Wood (15°) HZRDUS Smoke Black 6.0 60 Official Test Hybrid: ST-Z 230 Hybrid (19°) Ventus Blue HB-8 Official Test Irons: MP-18 MMC (4-9) Wedges: Vokey SM8 (46.10F, 50.12F, 54.14F, 58.12D) Putter: Select Squareback 2 34.5 Ping Corded 88G PP58 grip double taped Ball: Pro-V1 (currently testing the Callaway Chrome Soft X LS Triple Track) Reviews: 2023 Red Rooster Sussex Glove Official Forum Test 2023 Mizuno Long Game Official Forum Test Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 46 minutes ago, Swood1994 said: I listened to a couple podcasts I believe the one that stood out was Keegan Bradley and he was talking about how he's switching from his longer "belly" putter to a regular blade going into Augusta. His reasoning was that Augusta requires precise putting from far off the green due to the tight lies and that he loses the feel and being able to "pop" the ball with the longer putter. That take coupled with Rory moving back to his trusty Scotty 009 that he had a great stretch with, I think, points to some truth about the heavier bladed putters performing better on Major level greens. You say “heavier” blade putters, but never mentioned weight in your examples. Why do you think the blade putters are heavy and for those that switched are heavier than their prior mallet putter? Swood1994 1 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: XCG7 Beta 15* w/Fujikura Fuel Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swood1994 Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 2 minutes ago, cnosil said: You say “heavier” blade putters, but never mentioned weight in your examples. Why do you think the blade putters are heavy and for those that switched are heavier than their prior mallet putter? If we take Rory's Spider X he used for a long time and make the assumption its a stock weight (generally a large assumption to make but I don't have his specs) its around 320 grams head weight. most of the blade putters on tour or at least the last 3/4 majors from 2022 used blades (Cam Smith 009, Matt Fitzpatrick Bettinardi, Scotty Scheffler Timeless Tourtype GSS) all tend to start around the 350G head weight and then if I remember correctly Scheffler had 2 25G weights at 36.25" for his height. Rory switching to a Scotty Cameron Newport GSS would gain him 30 grams right off the head, again assuming the spider was a stock 320G head. We can also reference a MGS Test between mallets and blades and from 10 feet blades averaged 4 putts better than mallets, and three-putt better average at 20 feet. Specifically at Augusta where putting is arguably the most important part of the game given the green complexes and the pga tour average for vicinity to hole from approach is around 18ft, I think a heavier bladed style putter will have an advantage. Javs 1 Quote Current WITB: Driver: Paradym 10.5 Ventus Black 6S Fairway: ST-Z 230 3-Wood (15°) HZRDUS Smoke Black 6.0 60 Official Test Hybrid: ST-Z 230 Hybrid (19°) Ventus Blue HB-8 Official Test Irons: MP-18 MMC (4-9) Wedges: Vokey SM8 (46.10F, 50.12F, 54.14F, 58.12D) Putter: Select Squareback 2 34.5 Ping Corded 88G PP58 grip double taped Ball: Pro-V1 (currently testing the Callaway Chrome Soft X LS Triple Track) Reviews: 2023 Red Rooster Sussex Glove Official Forum Test 2023 Mizuno Long Game Official Forum Test Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 5 minutes ago, Swood1994 said: If we take Rory's Spider X he used for a long time and make the assumption its a stock weight (generally a large assumption to make but I don't have his specs) its around 320 grams head weight. most of the blade putters on tour or at least the last 3/4 majors from 2022 used blades (Cam Smith 009, Matt Fitzpatrick Bettinardi, Scotty Scheffler Timeless Tourtype GSS) all tend to start around the 350G head weight and then if I remember correctly Scheffler had 2 25G weights at 36.25" for his height. Rory switching to a Scotty Cameron Newport GSS would gain him 30 grams right off the head, again assuming the spider was a stock 320G head. We can also reference a MGS Test between mallets and blades and from 10 feet blades averaged 4 putts better than mallets, and three-putt better average at 20 feet. Specifically at Augusta where putting is arguably the most important part of the game given the green complexes and the pga tour average for vicinity to hole from approach is around 18ft, I think a heavier bladed style putter will have an advantage. Spider X stock is 355 per advertised specs: https://www.golfdigest.com/story/taylormade-spider-x-creates-more-stability-improves-alignment-in-new-colors Since we don’t know stock weight for the putter Scheffler is using we can only go by OEM weights the special select is 280gr without weights and with the 2 25 gr weights it would be a 330 gram putter. Cameron typically goes lighter for longer with a 35” being 330, 34” being 340, and 35” being 350. Tigers putter is in the 326gr range. From what I have read PGA players are typically 350 and lower. obviously all speculation as we don’t actually know the specific headweights Swood1994 1 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: XCG7 Beta 15* w/Fujikura Fuel Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swood1994 Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 6 minutes ago, cnosil said: Spider X stock is 355 per advertised specs: https://www.golfdigest.com/story/taylormade-spider-x-creates-more-stability-improves-alignment-in-new-colors Since we don’t know stock weight for the putter Scheffler is using we can only go by OEM weights the special select is 280gr without weights and with the 2 25 gr weights it would be a 330 gram putter. Cameron typically goes lighter for longer with a 35” being 330, 34” being 340, and 35” being 350. Tigers putter is in the 326gr range. From what I have read PGA players are typically 350 and lower. obviously all speculation as we don’t actually know the specific headweights I stand corrected on the new Spider X head weight. 2019 model was a 320G head with a 15G sole plate so total 335g. Most SC SSS Timeless TourType heads are a 350G head weight and the 009M is a 340G head weight. Whether this is accounting for the weights in the heel and toe, I am unsure. Totally agree we can only speculate because on tour most putters are prototypes for the specific player. and another piece I wasn't considering is that as a whole I believe 60-70% of the tour is now into a mallet style putter, but I was focusing on Major wins specifically. cnosil 1 Quote Current WITB: Driver: Paradym 10.5 Ventus Black 6S Fairway: ST-Z 230 3-Wood (15°) HZRDUS Smoke Black 6.0 60 Official Test Hybrid: ST-Z 230 Hybrid (19°) Ventus Blue HB-8 Official Test Irons: MP-18 MMC (4-9) Wedges: Vokey SM8 (46.10F, 50.12F, 54.14F, 58.12D) Putter: Select Squareback 2 34.5 Ping Corded 88G PP58 grip double taped Ball: Pro-V1 (currently testing the Callaway Chrome Soft X LS Triple Track) Reviews: 2023 Red Rooster Sussex Glove Official Forum Test 2023 Mizuno Long Game Official Forum Test Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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