Not everyone hits it 300

[Clubs by Buzz]

Everyone hits it 300! Just ask them.  I do when they are waiting on the tee for the green to clear on a 290 par 4.  Slow play in part is due to over estimating your length.  But good news...

"Arccos data via the USGA and R&A in March 2022 revealed that the average male golfer – with a handicap – hits their total drive around 215 yards."

So step up to the ball and hit it.  You are not as long as you think.  Play fast.  Play it forward. 

 

[cnosil]

8 minutes ago, Clubs by Buzz said:

 

So step up to the ball and hit it.  You are not as long as you think.  Play fast.  Play it forward. 

 

But one time I hit it 324

[TheBirdieMasterLOL]

I think a large part of this issue is potential driving distance. For example, My average driver is going about 265 on the fairway finder, and 285 on the hard swing. However, if I really hit it well, it's going over 300. So if I'm on a 305 yard par 4, I'll wait until the green clears just in case I get close to them. I feel like its rude to slow people down, but ruder to hit up on someone.

[Clemenshanity]

I seem to have the problem where I wait, thinking that I'll hit a normal length drive, but then I lose all ability to hit the ball correctly, and it goes far off line, and only around 100 yards.....

[Shankster]

This data also includes irons, and hybrids off the tee. So if you hit a 5 iron on one hole, a hybrid, and driver the average is going to be low.  I don’t find any use for that data.  It would be better if you could break it down per club off the tee… maybe you can, and if it is possible can someone tell me how to do it?

[GolfSpy_APH]

Yes, not everyone does. However there are some that do. 

I can, don't often. Probably a 270 player, which is plenty far enough!

[GolfSpy_BNG]

As pointed out the data is faulty.  If you hit a snap hook that happens to hit a tree and goes 150 then the old off the crown straight up 190 then follow it with a perfect swing and 305 down the middle what’s your average. 
 

645/3=215 average. 
 

Can you drive the ball 300?  Yep you did to get the average up.  
 

Averages like this will always be low due to amateur inconsistency.  

[Off Map Oscar]

Can. Just not with any consistency 

[cnosil]

14 hours ago, Shankster said:

This data also includes irons, and hybrids off the tee. So if you hit a 5 iron on one hole, a hybrid, and driver the average is going to be low.  I don’t find any use for that data.  It would be better if you could break it down per club off the tee… maybe you can, and if it is possible can someone tell me how to do it?

 

8 hours ago, GolfSpy_BNG said:

As pointed out the data is faulty.  If you hit a snap hook that happens to hit a tree and goes 150 then the old off the crown straight up 190 then follow it with a perfect swing and 305 down the middle what’s your average. 

I would say the the following to your comments:   

1.  Most of the shot tracking systems identify the clubs used off the tee and I would think it wouldn't be a far stretch to say they filtered the data to show only driver.

2.  Most of these shot tracking systems have outlier detection to get better information.  for example shotscope calls it performance average.   You would also want to look at players that have significantly more than 2 shots.  

[Old New Golfer]

I remember a hole in Huntington Beach. Forget the yardage. Was a dogleg right. Suddenly went uphill a good 30 feet to the green. Wasn't that hard to drive to it if you went the crash and burn route through the trees. Plenty crashed and burned in the trees. Others who made it through. Their ball would roll up to the green. Still 1/2 chance going in the trap. It was accepted to hit up. It wasn't dangerous to anyone on the green.

I hit my prettiest tee shot ever on that hole. Decided to shape it slicing. That tee shot went straight down the fairway, all the way. Slicing right around the dogleg. Forget where it ended up. I would like to remember (wishful thinking?) When I got to the green. A guy ahead of me yelling ball marker. My ball on the apron. Found a marker up on the green.

Edited September 8 by Old New Golfer

[Shankster]

1 hour ago, cnosil said:

 

I would say the the following to your comments:   

1.  Most of the shot tracking systems identify the clubs used off the tee and I would think it wouldn't be a far stretch to say they filtered the data to show only driver.

2.  Most of these shot tracking systems have outlier detection to get better information.  for example shotscope calls it performance average.   You would also want to look at players that have significantly more than 2 shots.  

Here is a look into my last two rounds along with my “smart distances”.  I’m not sure how the data is calculated.  238 off the tee does not make any sense.  Unless it is including the ones I told it not to include.  It does say all clubs on par 4’s and 5’s off the tee.  
 

club data as 

[Shankster]

Disregard that.  Dropped it down to last 5-10 shots and it makes sense… now.

[GolfSpy_BNG]

2 hours ago, cnosil said:

 

I would say the the following to your comments:   

1.  Most of the shot tracking systems identify the clubs used off the tee and I would think it wouldn't be a far stretch to say they filtered the data to show only driver.

2.  Most of these shot tracking systems have outlier detection to get better information.  for example shotscope calls it performance average.   You would also want to look at players that have significantly more than 2 shots.  

You may be right they may filter club and some outlier detection but those averages are still skewed imo. Again most amateurs can be inconsistent off the tee and will undoubtably have tops, sky balls, bad shots, etc.

 

 

[cnosil]

1 hour ago, Shankster said:

Disregard that.  Dropped it down to last 5-10 shots and it makes sense… now.

Just remember that the data geeks that are writing these type of articles have the ability to filter data more that what is show in the Arccos presentation.   Lou Stagner for example has access to the database itself.  

[RetiredBoomer]

On 9/5/2024 at 12:44 PM, Clubs by Buzz said:

Everyone hits it 300! Just ask them. 

 

I don't play with ANYBODY who hits it 300.

If people want to wait, it's cool with me.
I'm never in a hurry when I play golf.
When golf stops being relaxing, I'm done playing.

But nobody in my circles thinks that he/she hits it 300.
Of that, I'm pretty certain.