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And the first actual in hand photos.

NOW ON TOUR: NEW VOKEY SM10 WEDGES As the 2024 PGA TOUR season debuts this week in Maui, so does the next generation of the TOUR’s longstanding most played wedges: Vokey Design SM10. Vokey wedges have been the top choice of players on the PGA TOUR every year since 2004. Last season, more than 50 percent of the wedges in play were Vokey Design, with seven of the world’s top 10 players at year’s end gaming at least one Vokey wedge – including reigning major champions Wyndham Clark and Brian Harman. “I have always said since the day I arrived at Titleist,” said Master Craftsman Bob Vokey, “that I have the best R&D facility in the world – the professional tours.” Vokey SM10 is the result of this continuous process – rooted in the collaboration of Vokey, Director of Player Relations Aaron Dill (Vokey rep on the PGA TOUR), and the best players in the world. “[Bob and Aaron] have been incredible,”Jordan Spieth said. “I mean, they have been so much fun to work with. Great guys – guys that know so much about what they're doing and they're so passionate about what they’re doing. Very few people are as passionate about their jobs as Voke and Aaron. They'll stay out of the way and just kind of watch. And then if you want to bring them in, they already know what you’re going to ask and they know what the response is. And then, here and there, they’ll ask for feedback, just to find out what kind of improvements they can make.” Players in the field this week at Kapalua are getting the first opportunity to game the new models in competition. The tour launch of SM10 will continue at The American Express, when AD is back behind his grinding wheel in the Titleist Tour Truck at PGA West. Stay tuned to Titleist.com and Titleist’s social channels over the coming weeks for updates as the introduction of SM10 wedges continues on the PGA TOUR and across the worldwide professional tours.

You are so correct about that. The amount of work that @GolfSpy TCB and @Golf2Much put into it can't appreciated enough.

Congratulations @GolfSpy_BEN You have singe handedly lowered the cumulative handicap of the Forum Staff, if were to ever have a MGS vs WRX Staff match, you'd draw the No. 1 seed Big thanks to @Lacassem @Jnoble89 and @Getoffmylawn for all their behind the scenes hard work!

That is definitely a great one and it is ....SO YOU!!

I may be a bit biased, but the Pinehurst Members Outing was my favorite. It's always a great time when you get together with other spies to play golf. It's ALMOST just as much fun to follow them virtually.

Sure thing. I’ll keep it updated as I continue to use it. Waiting for a space at the course to be completed where I can try the simulation.

Like friends who live in DC and never have been to any of the museums or monuments! Next year though

True that. You remember our Superintendent Tom—he played with us at Vinteria a few years ago. We were sitting in my office literally maybe 2 weeks ago talking about how we both have ended the season on a down note in our games. We had just played in a 2 man scramble and shot 73 and weren’t happy about it. He said to me. “If we only worked someplace where we got free ramge balls and could practice anytime we wanted and this place was less than 100 yards from both our offices…..” I said. …yeah, if only! And we both laughed and said…what did we expect. Ha But yes it is nice. I just wish we had one of those headed studio bays that hit out onto a range for the winter. But we’d probably ignore that as well. Ha

Yeah. That was ultimately the one big mark against it in my book. Minus that, it’s a very good unit at a good price. I think you’ll like the MLM2 a lot if you go that route.

That’s a great question and honestly thdy are both good. You won’t be disappointed either way. The R10 costs less and gives Club data such as club path and face to path etc. Rapsodo says this will come down rhd line but not sure when. But MLM is superior in every other way in my experience. I like that it has a built in camera. So you can watch your swing there and see your path. Thd impact vision is fanatic. If you see lines up properly. It will show you what your club face is doing at impact. It is really cool. Like you I used them both mostly outside and found myself using the MLM2 more. When I did a few inside sessions last winter I did use the R10 with E6 for the range and simulator. MLM2 just made some fantastic updates to its sim package from what I have read on its FB page. If I could only keep one of the two. It’d be the MLM2 without a doubt.

I got the FSK this week, charged it up and downloaded the apps to both my I phone and I pad. Late in the day in 40 degree and windy temps I couldn't resist and took it out. Only about a dozen balls, but wanted to get the hang of it before putting it to the test against our Trackman. So better weather on Friday near 55 slight breeze and sunny. But went out with the FSK and our Trackman along with our Director of Golf, our Director of Instruction and our Assistant Superintendent, all three of them very good players, and then me to show the other end of the spectrum. The TLDR if you don't go past this, the FSK held it's on with all three of us against Trackman!! Corey our Director of Instruction was really really impressed with it, quoting him "I could teach off this very easily" All the data numbers were spot on-and it out lasted his Trackman battery wise--details below on some results. He was literally blown away, he told me, "This is by far the best devise you've had of al them. Note: I currently have the MLM2 and Garmin R10 and had a basic MEVO and SC200 previously. We all have varying Swing Speeds, mine with 7 iron is in the low to mid 70's, our Director of Golf is around 93 and our Assistant Super maybe 87 to 88. Our DOI is currently nursing a bad shoulder and didn't hit any shots. Below are some screen shots of dispersion and shot summary. Dustin’s, from SW, 7I, 5W and Driver and you will be able to see how helpful those are in seeing if the gaps are proper. The screenshots of both our summary's show a pretty consistent gapping for us. Just on different levels...ha Everyone loved the unit. It was easy to set up and line up properly. The display on the screen was easy to read for everyone no matter where they stood The I pad displayed all the data points very well and really very accurately from what we all know of our numbers. There were some occasional spin numbers that seemed out of whack. But we can probably attribute this to our ranger balls...you know what they say about fitting with range balls. It even happened a few times this year with the OEM during fitting days with their trackman and GC Quads. But I'd say 90% at least of he shot registered an appropriate spin rate All the ball data matched the Trackman with mere decimals, see the one screen shot below. The Trackman battery died after a bit due to it also be used before our session in a lesson with a student. I joked with the DOI that the FSK still had 75% battery after almost an hour of use. The club data was spot on as well. I have a fairly consistent out to in club path and I counter that with a fairly shut face at impact so my face to path is not usually far off, resulting i a fade that starts left and usually ends up not too far off the center line. This held to form on the FSK data points for each of those. It was tough to compare those to the Trackman data pints as they had to sit on slightly different angles, we with the positioning a few times with putting the trackman behind the FSK but then it didn't pick some of the metrics. we tried overlapping them a bit then the FSK was off a bit. So it safe to say it's nearly impossible to get both units on the same exact aiming point at the same time. But when I took the FSK away and tooks some swings only on Trackman lined up properly the club numbers were pretty much spot on as well. I didn't' really get any pictures of the unit itself set up, just screen shots. I'll work on that aspect next time. The FSK is very easy to carry and comes in a very nice and sturdy hard case with handle, that made carrying it to the range very easy. I was ALMOST able to put my Pad in the case as well but it was pretty tight and I didn't want to break the screen on it. Shot dispersion for Dustin. Here is data on Josh’s our Director of Golf 7 iron Trackman on Left and FSK on Rigjt Just spot on The club data was further down I’ll try and get those on another session I will say the data on this one wa probably a bit further off than most For example the spin shows a difference of 53 rpm while vey good there were several where it was 20 RPM or less pretty incredible Dispersion chart on my SW and 7 iron...yeah, not very long I know but at least fairly tight. Club Summary list can be used to see if your gapping are consistent enough of 10 to 15 yards between each club. In this case, I have 4 clubs GW, PW, 9 and 8 irons between the SW and 7. So the 42 yard average is pretty spot on. Pretty good gapping on Dustin's shot averages as well. His 7 iron is a bit shorter than he normally hits it, so it's not perfect in this session.

I recently researched all the current top tier personal launch monitors out there. Did a deep dive on The following Full Swing Kit Bushnell Launch Pro Golfzon Wave MEVO+ MLM2Pro (currently own) Garmin R10 (currently own) I spent hours over several weeks reading and watching reviews and talking to current owners One of the first things you have to decide is Are you going to use it more outside or inside. For me it will be primarily outside on the range and on course. That is where most of the use of my two current models have been used. I did some inside simulator last winter but not a lot As you probably know there are two types of systems, Radar based-MEVO+ -MLM2 - R10 and Full Swing and the OG Trackman are radar based. They have different types of radar but they all follow the entire flight of the ball. Which makes them great for outdoors. Camera based are Bushnell Launch Pro -GC3-Snytrack+ and the top of the line GC Quad. They use a varied amount of cameras to take extremely high speed pictures from the side view of the ball just after impact. They can also pick up the club-head just before impact. They use those images to calculate all the metrics of the shot. Since they don’t and can’t track the ball flight they are best used indoors where the ball flight is limited. However they can both be used effectively inside or outside with the proper setups. Radar systems typically ally need the Callaway balls that are designed for the MLM2 and Titleist makes a Radar Capture Technology ball that is able to track enough spin data in the 8-10 feet of indoor flight to calculate some pretty accurate data So that’s the two systems. You will need to evaluate for yourself which would work best for your i decided on the Full Swing Kit My informal review will start below. If you want to know specific reasons for my choice of Radar based or for choosing the FSK, I’ll do my best to answer in the following posts. Please ask away with any questions. https://www.instagram.com/reel/C02N77juDu3/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

9 while holes?? Pffft!! I was watching when you only saw like 15 or 16 on. When it went to 9 holes that was like a whole new world.

Statement from Acushnet CEO David Maher on USGA and R&A Golf Ball Rollback Announcement FAIRHAVEN, Mass. (Dec. 6, 2023) – At a time when interest in golf is vibrant (2023 will mark the 6th consecutive year in which the number of golfers has grown), golf courses are broadly adding forward tees, back tees are used for less than 5% of rounds, and the average carry distances for female and male golfers are 147 yards and 215 yards, respectively, it is appropriate and necessary that the merits of any proposed equipment rollback are thoroughly evaluated in pursuit of a high degree of consensus and support around meaningful change. As we consider today’s R&A and USGA announcement against recent feedback provided by the World Alliance of PGA’s and the PGA TOUR, we are also concerned that the golf ball rollback overly impacts golfers and does not fully reflect the input of those closest to the game. There have been requests to align on what data is used and how it is used to draw conclusions prior to any equipment changes being made. Many important stakeholders do not see distance as a problem the way the governing bodies do, and therefore come to differing conclusions about how to proceed to ensure the best possible outcome for the sport. We support the position of the PGA TOUR and others that there are many areas of focus at the elite level, including initiatives related to golf course setup and conditioning, and other competitive variables which, if desired, can limit the effects of distance while also providing the opportunity for a diverse skill set to succeed at the highest level. It is also Acushnet’s position that existing golf ball regulations are effective and stand the test of time. Golf balls are already tightly controlled for initial velocity, overall distance, size, weight, and uniformity. As a result of existing initial velocity and overall distance regulation, ball speeds have been moderated as was the intent of the rule. We note that the mean of the fastest 1% of measured clubhead speeds on the PGA TOUR was flat from 2019-2021 and declined in 2022 and 2023. The mean of the fastest 5%, 10%, 20% and 50% of measured clubhead speeds has been flat since 2017. We consider that the average course playing length on the 2023 PGA TOUR is less than 7,200 yards, just as it has been every year since 2004. We also note that U.S. golf courses built during the period 2010-2020 averaged 6,652 yards – 274 yards shorter than those built between 1990-2010, which is at odds with the notion that equipment has forced courses to expand. Not all sports have endured from generation to generation the way golf has endured, and the governing bodies deserve credit for having effectively balanced the forces of tradition and technology. This has helped to preserve golf’s unified appeal and values while encouraging innovation that has helped to make the sport more relevant and enjoyable. We believe that further collaboration and cooperation with the R&A, USGA and other stakeholders is critical prior to moving forward with such a significant equipment regulation change. We continue to advocate for stakeholders to convene to have a meaningful examination of this decision and its consequences, and to discuss alternatives as we look to protect golfers’ enjoyment of the game and the health of golf courses around the world to ensure golf’s promising future.

It's all good. Goofing around is great, I actually majored in it in school And as for wives go, Mine often fails to see my sense of humor, but I blame her for that not me

I unfortunately am well old enough to understand it. Sorry, I just didn't understand if you were imitating him, or being sarcastic using it as a reference, sometimes GIFs are better than words

Yeah, you're right.

I love everything about this post! I know @cnosil did a pretty good job of answering your question about multiple "meet ups" But I'll add my thoughts. What I (as the designated planner of the "official" events envision. I think "meetups" organized by any member in their local area for guys in that area or anyone that wants to travel to that area are great, and are highly encouraged by me and all the staff. I mean anytime you can get together with a guys you know and guys you will be meeting for the first time, it's awesome As for the two previous "official" events, our hope is to grow those to where they get larger attendance, and offer some things of value in addition to golf. What those things are will vary and hoepfully evolve over time. I'm actually surprised with the sharp eyed members we have here, that no one caught or called out the part of my previous posts where I said the 1st outing of 2024 I said that on purpose as while plans have not yet been announced for anything yet, our hope is to have 2 events in 2024 and possibly grow from there. But that's all down the road, plans for this event are still in the making and as I have said a few times, we hope to have some info soon.

Still some pieces to be finalized, but hopefully we'll have an announcement before Christmas!

My hopes are, I think the 1st one of 2024 could be very special.

Thanks, Yeah, I just took a look at it and watched some of the videos. Was halfway through the podcast with Martin Hall will have to finish it later. But lots of good stuff indeed.

Awesome, and I in no way meant it was a bad thing I didn't understand, just that as you said, a new way of looking at things. Sounds like a lot of good resources. It's also great whenever we have the OEM actively participating in he testing threads, nothing better than getting information directly from the source. Thanks!

I talke my MLM2 to the range on just about every session. It's so easy and portable. In your price range hckymeyer gave the best resource, but you might want to look at the SkyCaddie SC200 or SC300 are both very good basic LM for the money. They are radar based, so not sure how they will work in that limited flight environment. You might be better off with a cameras based unit, but then you're getting into a bit higher priced units.

Thanks for providing this opportunity to our members. I love the info the testers have shared to date. At first glance it seems light years beyond any sort of swing data the average golfer has been able to obtain themselves previously. However, it seems like I'm reading a foreign language It's a whole new set of terms and numbers than we've been exposed to before. I'm sure there are resources for interpretation and knowing what the numbers mean to your swing. I know one of the testers mentioned a private FB group which was very helpful. I'm looking forward to reading more of the experiences and learning more.